You're saying that the LotR's wasn't a masterpiece. Even if you hated it you can't deny how awesome it was and how amazing to pull it off would have been. It's like saying the Mona Lisa sucks.Perwer said:
Del Toro to direct new LOTR movies
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Interesting choice. Pan's Labyrinth was one of those films that snuck in under the radar of all the other hyped movies and really made its mark. Del Toro's representation of the fantasy element makes him a good match with Jackson. Sounds like it's going to be an interesting couple of movies.
I know nothing about directors, but I'll definately be watching this movie if only for the promise of Ian McKellen's Gandalf. They'd better get the same guy to do Gollum's voice, as well. I wonder who would play Bilbo...
If they replace Ian, however, The Hobbit will go down into a certain list of mine which currently consists of the later Police Academy films and Ocean's Thirteen.
No, it's not a good list.
If they replace Ian, however, The Hobbit will go down into a certain list of mine which currently consists of the later Police Academy films and Ocean's Thirteen.
No, it's not a good list.
I'm glad people aren't mentioning Hellboy that much, fine if you never read the comics but considering it was supposed to be a movie for the fan(boys)s...*cough Bullshit!*
Yeah I think The Hobbit is much more suited to his (Del Toro's) aesthetic, plus the fact he's under pressure to just merely equal the epicness of P.Jackson's film making
Yeah I think The Hobbit is much more suited to his (Del Toro's) aesthetic, plus the fact he's under pressure to just merely equal the epicness of P.Jackson's film making
i liked hellboy and i do believe Mike Mignola had a large part in making the hellboy movies as well, much like the changes in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy were made by Douglas Adams himself, Mike did some in hellboyFangface74 said:
and i know simarilion would be hard to do as a movie but it would be damn cool, especially the battle at the end with multiple balrogs and the gods all fighting and everyone but galadriel being let back into the west
with lotr i totally forgot some of the stuff they did cut out till after the extended edtions came out, tho some things i picked out right away, like tom bombadil and the crystal caverns at the end of two towers and of course the mouth of sauron, which was one of the best scenes and parts of return of the king
it was still one of the best adaptations to the screen of the books and i think the fact the family and some of the artists that did work on the calendars and such were brought in to design stuff also helped out a lot
The fact there were changes made by the creator, more often than not means the studio who is making (read
aying for) the movie, want a safer return on their investment. Big names (nothing to do with what makes a good movie), Lots of effects (nothing to do with what makes a good movie), and lots of action scenes (you get the idea) all are required without exception, don't get me wrong, I love all those elements in a flick but not for the sake of bums-on-seats. Mignola's minimalist,gothic style is more about what you can't see, the whole point of his take on the supernatural world takes a 'less is more' approach. Hellboy was a typical hollywood affair, ultimately watchable but it was NOT an accurate adaption. And it's possible to bring a graphic novel to the big screen without being overly showy and keeping action well paced....it was called Sin City.
aying for) the movie, want a safer return on their investment. Big names (nothing to do with what makes a good movie), Lots of effects (nothing to do with what makes a good movie), and lots of action scenes (you get the idea) all are required without exception, don't get me wrong, I love all those elements in a flick but not for the sake of bums-on-seats. Mignola's minimalist,gothic style is more about what you can't see, the whole point of his take on the supernatural world takes a 'less is more' approach. Hellboy was a typical hollywood affair, ultimately watchable but it was NOT an accurate adaption. And it's possible to bring a graphic novel to the big screen without being overly showy and keeping action well paced....it was called Sin City.
Am I the only one who thought that Pans labyrinth was self indulgent crap? Perhaps it was because I had no warning about quite how violent it was, so I took my wife to see it she enjoyed hellboy so I thought it would be okay for her. She still has nightmares about that scene where the facist beats the boy to death with the bottle so thanks for that.
So it will be a very difficult sell to get her to watch this despite her loving LoTR with him at the helm. It is necessary to show horror in fantasy yeah we know that but not neccesary to show sadism torture and overt violence.
I am not a prude I love violent films but I just dont want my wife exposed to such horrors.
So it will be a very difficult sell to get her to watch this despite her loving LoTR with him at the helm. It is necessary to show horror in fantasy yeah we know that but not neccesary to show sadism torture and overt violence.
I am not a prude I love violent films but I just dont want my wife exposed to such horrors.
wait... your judging a film based on another persons personal tastes? its 'self-indulgent crap' because the person next to you was horrified? wouldn't that make it overtly violent? Where does self-indulgence come into play?electric discordian said:
Not a personal attack, but i'm always suspicious when a reprimand comes with "i don't want [x] exposed to [subject]", the "effect" of games/rock'n'roll/comics on youth anyone? its a technical fallacy.
Someone being unsuitable to view something does not make the object in view unsuitable.
that said, i like the idea of putting the bite back into fantasy, fairies are not fun, the kill you for their own fun.
Im sure my wife would kiss you for being thought of as a youth! I know fairies are not fun, I call it self indulgent because Del Toro made a film purely for himself set in a time setting that was mainly interesting to him as it occured in a period in his own countries history. Oh it was visually stunning when you could see through the rain, uplifting if you removed the torture, nazis brutal beatings and blind cannibalistic half gods. It just seemed a damp squib to me overhyped and too dark for it's own good.Ultrajoe said:
Would I be willing to watch it again without the wife? Actually I doubt it, if I want nazi's I will watch Romper Stomper if I want brutal violence I will watch a badly dubbed Lucio Fulchi zombie epic, If I want fantasy I will watch Lotr. But Pans Labyrinth just leaves a bitter taste.
I heard about this a while back, I actually suspect that Del Toro better suited than Peter Jackson for the role. The reason is this: LotR was all about spectacle and exhiliration, which doesn't suit the Hobbit well at all. Yes, there's the Lonely Mountain, Battle of the 5 Armies, Mirkwood, Misty Mountains, etc. but none of the main characters save Gandalf can be considered men of legend until the end. In short, rather than rolling back from bold dashing heros to display a landscape beyond belief, we're dealing with 14 short people on a long weary trek who're terrified of almost everything. It needs to have perhaps a Willow-like aesthetic.
Also: the Silmarillion? Don't even think about it. Filming a book which is a millennia-spanning multi-part history account and not a narrative would be rife with difficulty. For the 1st part, not even any dialogue to buld characters from and the 2nd, too long, disjoint, and name-filled. What you'd have to settle for is more of an "inspired by" type of story, which would be a slippery slope.
Also: the Silmarillion? Don't even think about it. Filming a book which is a millennia-spanning multi-part history account and not a narrative would be rife with difficulty. For the 1st part, not even any dialogue to buld characters from and the 2nd, too long, disjoint, and name-filled. What you'd have to settle for is more of an "inspired by" type of story, which would be a slippery slope.
drat beat me too it and also they weren't nazi's, they were facists who had strong ties with the nazi's much like the italians did at the time.nightfish said:
but it is true what other's have said the labyrinth was a way for her to escape and get away from the horror's she was seeing and experiencing at the time
the violence was needed for the film to carry any meaning or weight. my suggestion is have your wife open her eyes to the world around her and realize MUCH more violent stuff happens ever night on the news and in the world about her
Yeah as i mentioned in a previous post shes a teacher, shes been punched beaten sworn at and completely ignored by her superiors. So she isn't exactly a shutin who lives in the world of unicorns. However she objected to the film as it was potrayed as a fairytale. No mention of the violence in any of the reviews I read online. I know the were facists and not Nazis but lets face it they were essentially the same and such semantic arguements do rather hint at someone reaching to pick holes. I hold my hands up to the Spanish Mexican comment I lay awake all night hoping someone didnt notice that.cleverlymadeup said:
As I said it was in some places more harrowing than Schindlers List, I didnt think that was necessary, to be honest if he had made a purely factual film set against the back drop of the Spanish Civil war no one would be rubbing their thighs in near orgasmic glee.
I am now off to read an atlas and discern the difference between spain and mexico!