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[DoPo]

*Looks around*

So has saying what the best game of all time is always been something that people couldn't just sit down and have a fun time with?

I dunno, I think this website is kicking up way more of a fuss than it should be. I've been a member of GameFAQs for a decade now, during that time I've voted in more than 95% of their daily polls. I didn't really take them as anything that profound or insightful - it's mostly for fun. And their almost annual battles are just an extension to that, not something that would, or could, hold up as a really serious scientific research.

It's similar to March Mayhem here and I didn't think that was all srs business. Yet, an even more meaningless contest on a different website apparently is more srs.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Is it really that good?

I didn't enjoy Earthbound that much, so I'm curious if this game is like the epitome of story telling or something.

As a reminder. GameFAQs once voted the Tetris L block as the best video game character ever.

So yeh that's says about how serious this poll was to an extent.

Or it could be because Undertale is a genuinely good game.

Probably better than Ocarina, too.

It very well could be (Though I doubt it). But a Gamefaqs poll is about as valid of a place to prove it as a New Zealand brothel is a valid place to discover the secrets of interstellar travel.

I mean, it could happen, I guess. But probably not, and would you believe it if they did?

As for the poll itself... Undertale shouldn't have even been on the ticket to begin with. It's a brand new game that hasn't had time to really sink in. Gotta give it at least a year so people can find out if its a short term phenomenon or if they find themselves caring about it after a while.

 

[Silence]

Is it really that good?

I didn't enjoy Earthbound that much, so I'm curious if this game is like the epitome of story telling or something.

It's not nearly good enough for best game all of all time. For that, it would need to have at least decent graphics, much better music, and not use lame 4th wall breaking to be the "epitome of storytelling".
And it really is not nearly old enough yet to even be considered putting in such a vote.

Though the vote does not matter much, Ocarina has aged really badly as well, so "of all time" is not a great title for it, either.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

This is exactly like when The New Movie shows up as #1 in IMDB's "100 Greatest". Like how Guardians of the Galaxy outranks Solaris; Harry Potter 7 1/2 outranks The Graduate. I would wait at least 10 to 15 years before throwing in recent-memory stuff against the time-tested classics.

I mean, it's right there in the title, isn't it? How can something so new compete for X award "of all time"? It barely has any time in it.

 

[Zhukov]

So has saying what the best game of all time is always been something that people couldn't just sit down and have a fun time with?

Pretty much.

Surely you remember the March Mayhem polls they used to do (still do?) here? This is essentially Papers Please vs THe Last of Us over again.

It's an exercise in futility anyway:

"Here are my/our utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games."
"Your utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games are bullshit! Here are my utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games."
"Raarrgh!"

 

[Angelblaze]

Apparently the people on gamefaqs are accusing reddit, tumblr, and other social media sites of rigging the votes in favor of Undertale. They accuse them of rallying people to turn out to vote in behalf of Undertale.

Because people did, big time. Hell, I saw people on tumblr begging others who hadn't even played the game to go vote for it. And if you look at Undertale's voting pattern, I'm sure you'd notice a strange trend where it's even/lagging behind it's opponent before suddenly surging ahead.

*Sigh* God, I love the game to death, but the fanbase... Ah well. It's just some voting poll on the internet.

Sorry to break this to you people were doing the same for the other games, along with insulting fans of Undertale and claiming the game should never have been in the poll, harassing other members, etc.

If you want to call out a fanbase for shady shit, don't just get pissy with the Undertale fandom. Nice try with the underhanded comment though.

So has saying what the best game of all time is always been something that people couldn't just sit down and have a fun time with?

Pretty much.

Surely you remember the March Mayhem polls they used to do (still do?) here? This is essentially Papers Please vs THe Last of Us over again.

It's an exercise in futility anyway:

"Here are my/our utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games."
"Your utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games are bullshit! Here are my utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games."
"Raarrgh!"

This right here is what it boils down to

 

[Nazulu]

For all time!? You can't take any vote like that seriously. Undertale delivers something different though, that's important.

Also, I noticed recently that Undertales score fell on Metacritic.

 

[Saetha]

Sorry to break this to you people were doing the same for the other games, along with insulting fans of Undertale and claiming the game should never have been in the poll, harassing other members, etc.

If you want to call out a fanbase for shady shit, don't just get pissy with the Undertale fandom. Nice try with the underhanded comment though.

Yes, you're setting a sterling example of the behavior I should expect.

And given how I've seen Undertale fans harass non-fans for "just not getting it," and harass youtubers for "not playing the game right," and even harass other fans for not liking it the right way, I think I will call them out for shady shit, thanks.

 

[rcs619]

Apparently the people on gamefaqs are accusing reddit, tumblr, and other social media sites of rigging the votes in favor of Undertale. They accuse them of rallying people to turn out to vote in behalf of Undertale.

Because people did, big time. Hell, I saw people on tumblr begging others who hadn't even played the game to go vote for it. And if you look at Undertale's voting pattern, I'm sure you'd notice a strange trend where it's even/lagging behind it's opponent before suddenly surging ahead.

*Sigh* God, I love the game to death, but the fanbase... Ah well. It's just some voting poll on the internet.

To be fair, it *was* pretty hilarious to watch how angry the hardcore Ocarina of Time fans were getting about it. They're almost as bad as the really hardcore Final Fantasy VII fans, lol.

Ocarina of Time isn't even the best Zelda game. The most influential, definitely, and a wonderful game in its own right. On the other hand, Twilight Princess did basically everything Ocarina of Time did, but better. There's a really good argument for Wind Waker being the best Zelda game as well.

As far as a contest between Undertale and Ocarina of Time, well, it depends what you're looking for. In terms of pure gameplay, OoT wins hands down. But Undertale definitely wins out in terms of story and characters (since OoT barely has either of those).

 

[DoPo]

That said I think the poll was bombed by outsiders. Never been a fan of that to be honest.

*shrug* Certainly more interesting than Zelda winning again.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

1. It's not.
2. Nothing is.
3. GOTY is a reasonable distinction, GOAT is fucking ridiculous. Games are defined and measured by their eras. I'm tentatively willing to declare certain games as "currently best in genre" with a billion stipulations, but "best of all time"? Ridiculous. Pure wankery. I'll not stand for it.

 

[Something Amyss]

Also remember the the time when L-Block won their Character Battle? And the shitstorm they kicked up when Draven won it a few years later?

It's not as though it means anything.

Yeeeeeah, that was my thought. GameFAQs is not where I go for any sort of binding agreement over anything gaming related.

*Looks around*

So has saying what the best game of all time is always been something that people couldn't just sit down and have a fun time with?

I'd argue that the moment you get into this territory, you're at least brushing up against the lines between reason and tribalism. And probably more than that. People get really passionate about games, like there's something serious. You know, real issues like the best sports teams, or which Lamborghini is the best.

It seems really hard to just casually discuss best games between fanbases.

I dunno, I think this website is kicking up way more of a fuss than it should be. I've been a member of GameFAQs for a decade now, during that time I've voted in more than 95% of their daily polls. I didn't really take them as anything that profound or insightful - it's mostly for fun. And their almost annual battles are just an extension to that, not something that would, or could, hold up as a really serious scientific research.

While I was an active poster at GameFAQs, there was a tremendous amount of outrage when the polls didn't go X way or properly denounce Y. I mean, I'm no fan of Y, but I don't see why all the hate. Okay, but more seriously, it wasn't uncommon to see people complaining about the site or community being biased towards/against Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony all at the same time. It's unsurprising to see the same responses being carried off-site as though it was something other than "popular game wins popularity contest." And of course people are going to be pissed that the game they like lost to a game someone else likes.

Hell, look at the GOTY kerfuffle every year.

It's an exercise in futility anyway:

"Here are my/our utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games."
"Your utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games are bullshit! Here are my utterly subjective judgements on the quality and/or enjoyability of a bunch of games."
"Raarrgh!"

You forgot the part where at least one party then tries to pass off their subjective views as factual or even objective, but pretty much.

That said I think the poll was bombed by outsiders. Never been a fan of that to be honest.

Pretty much every major poll on that site (and some of the dailies) have been like that.

...I've actually upset people by asking why the hell there was a call to arms over a daily GameFAQS poll. I got little in the way of direct answers (more along the lines of being told to perform anatomically impossible acts), but it seemed to boil down to this:

Never reject a call to arms, friends. Daily GFAQS polls are srs business.

 

[Angelblaze]

Sorry to break this to you people were doing the same for the other games, along with insulting fans of Undertale and claiming the game should never have been in the poll, harassing other members, etc.

If you want to call out a fanbase for shady shit, don't just get pissy with the Undertale fandom. Nice try with the underhanded comment though.

Yes, you're setting a sterling example of the behavior I should expect.

And given how I've seen Undertale fans harass non-fans for "just not getting it," and harass youtubers for "not playing the game right," and even harass other fans for not liking it the right way, I think I will call them out for shady shit, thanks

Fine by me, so long as people acknowledge the shady shit other fandoms pulled. This was a carnival of jackassery, dear, not a solo act.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

And this is why you don't put recently released games on a Best of All Time poll. Undertale is fine, but the thing is any place in "greatest of all time" is going to have to be discussed years after release to determine whether or not a game was truly great and inspirational (like Zelda: OoT, FFVII, Pokemon, Chrono Trigger, etc) or just a flavor-of-the-month, flash-in-the-pan title. Perspective and context is important, like how OoT essentially codified mechanics we take for granted like the lock-on and being able to manipulate the camera while FFVII is a game whose success that people (including Square themselves) have desperately been trying to replicate for nearly twenty years, mostly by imitating it (often badly).

 

[Defenestra]

GameFAQs hardly has a scientifically rigorous means of determining which game is best, but anything that hits the top five is at least worth further investigation.

 

[Bombiz]

If you want to call out a fanbase for shady shit, don't just get pissy with the Undertale fandom. Nice try with the underhanded comment though.

Well to be fair the Undertale fandom isn't exactly the best. Though I get your point you're saying that if you complain about fandoms you shouldn't just get angry at the Undertale fandom.

 

[DoPo]

As a side note, it's kind of interesting how in this thread people discussing the competition are actually calling it something different and thus distorting the meaning. The competition is not about the "greatest game of all time". That implies a level of seriousness that the original title "Best. Game. Ever." does not.

It is, once again, something for fun. Moreover, the very description of the contest dispells any notion that this is in supposed to be "like all real, guyz! For realzies"

don't forget: This is not a contest to see which game is your favorite, or even which one is the best rated. It's all a big popularity contest, and visitors who have never visited GameFAQs before will be sure to stop in and vote.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/bge20

So, should have Undertale won? Is it, like, the bestest game? Umm, yeah, that poll is entirely the wrong thing to look at for answers.

 

[RJ 17]

While I'm certain Undertale is a good game - after all, I've only heard good things about it - the merit behind this "award" is greatly diminished by three simple words: "The GameFAQs Community"