Demonization of Moviebob and other Escapist Staff

[thethird0611]

That is an absolutely horrible link. Some people from 4chan even released the logs, showing many of her statements were out of context.

The escapist released an article about it. You can also go on the mega thread and see all the information of what is going on there.

Lot of new stuff coming to surface.

In my time on the forums discussing this issue, I've noticed that many gamergate proponents say that they have evidence to support their case without providing a link to it. I'm pretty frustrated by this, and I simply wish that you would present the evidence you claim debunks my case.

Ok......?

I am not trying to debunk anything you said. I was actively avoiding posting in this thread because we have seen the vitrol that movie bob has said in the mega thread.

Go in the mega thread and, with an open mind, say your case. People will talk with you.

I am only saying, you posting an extremely biased article like thedailydot put out, is very intellectually dishonest.

 

[Slayer4472]

I'd like to begin this by saying that I actually really like MovieBob's product- it's nice to be able to find quality movie reviews outside of the local paper.

That being said, Chipman's rude, arrogant, and condescending statements on twitter are absolutely unacceptable. I know that if one of my employees had a case of twitter diarrhea, I wouldn't fire them- but if they consistently attacked my customers over a two week period, I'd fire him.

Now, I'd like to keep MovieBob around, but there need to be some consequences for his actions. The Escapist needs to remind its contributors that while on social media, they still represent the Escapist. I'd also like to see Chipman issue a public apology- and none of that namby pamby, George Bush, bullshit about how "I may have been rude, but I'm still in the right you guys!".

I'd also like to point out this thread, which shows how well MovieBob's comments have been recieved:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.859921-Poll-Should-MovieBob-be-Fired-An-Open-Letter-to-the-Escapist?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=forums_threads

 

[Iwata]

What the hell is happening to our hobby?

I kinda miss the days when I'd just pop in a cartridge on a console and just play games! Who knew that getting an interest into the backstage of the hobby would expose such horrible people, in ALL sides?

I'm just going back to playing games.

 

[firebobm173]

Ok......?

I am not trying to debunk anything you said. I was actively avoiding posting in this thread because we have seen the vitrol that movie bob has said in the mega thread.

Go in the mega thread and, with an open mind, say your case. People will talk with you.

I am only saying, you posting an extremely biased article like thedailydot put out, is very intellectually dishonest.

Ok first of all, I am aware of what moviebob has been saying on twitter as I have been following him from the beginning of this controversy, and I found that while he was incendiary about the issue he was in the right. As for the mega thread, it seems to be almost completely dominated by #GamerGate supporters, to say nothing of the difficulty of trying to track down anything in a thread with 22,468 posts. I see no reason to discuss this in that thread, and I specifically created this thread to talk about people's reactions to the escapist's staff's reactions to this. As for me being intellectually dishonest, I see honestly see that article as being an accurate summation without being unnecessarily incendiary while also not trying too hard to be neutral. You can accuse me of being wrong or biased, but I am not intellectually dishonest.

 

[Callate]

I don't want to see Moviebob fired.

...Or Colbert cancelled, or Guardians of the Galaxy director James Gunn fired, or The Mikado only staged with copious liner notes attesting to its cultural insensitivity, or...

I would generally appreciate the people who feel that their personally finding something offensive is sufficient reason for it to be blasted from the face of the Earth to take it down a notch.

 

[thethird0611]

Ok......?

I am not trying to debunk anything you said. I was actively avoiding posting in this thread because we have seen the vitrol that movie bob has said in the mega thread.

Go in the mega thread and, with an open mind, say your case. People will talk with you.

I am only saying, you posting an extremely biased article like thedailydot put out, is very intellectually dishonest.

Ok first of all, I am aware of what moviebob has been saying on twitter as I have been following him from the beginning of this controversy, and I found that while he was incendiary about the issue he was in the right. As for the mega thread, it seems to be almost completely dominated by #GamerGate supporters, to say nothing of the difficulty of trying to track down anything in a thread with 22,468 posts. I see no reason to discuss this in that thread, and I specifically created this thread to talk about people's reactions to the escapist's staff's reactions to this. As for me being intellectually dishonest, I see honestly see that article as being an accurate summation without being unnecessarily incendiary while also not too hard to be neutral. You can accuse me of being wrong or biased, but I am not intellectually dishonest.

You can be on whatever side of this debate you want to be. He spit out vitrol on his twitter.

The mega thread will be happy to pull any information you want if you ask. People in that thread want to inform others. It seems my open minded comment was looked over very quickly though, since you are dead set in your position.

"As for me being intellectually dishonest, I see honestly see that article as being an accurate summation without being unnecessarily incendiary while also not too hard to be neutral. You can accuse me of being wrong or biased, but I am not intellectually dishonest."

No. That article is just like when the escapist covered the wizardchan harrasment.... that actually didn't happen. That article slanders the movement, takes lies (since they have been disproven) that Zoe posted, and has spit vitrol at anyone who supports gamergate. It is one of the farthest things from neutral.

What is funny, is you want to link to that article, but the Escapist actually made an article over that topic which was sooooooooooooo much more neutral than what you posted. It even has statements from an advocate of the IRC channel and Zoe.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137293-Exclusive-Zoe-Quinn-Posts-Chat-Logs-Debunking-GamerGate-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond

So use that one.

 

[Ryallen]

I have no fucking idea what the hell anyone is talking about, and frankly I'm not sure I want to know. All I know is this is something about MovieBob, and that's about it.

 

[Slayer4472]

I have no fucking idea what the hell anyone is talking about, and frankly I'm not sure I want to know. All I know is this is something about MovieBob, and that's about it.

If you're willing to take the time, we'd be willing to answer your questions over if the big Gamer Gate thread. But, broad simplification:

1. Gamer Gate scandals begin
2. Movie Bob insults escapist community and gamers on twitter
3. Users begin to call for him to be fired, or at least censured.

 

[firebobm173]

That being said, Chipman's rude, arrogant, and condescending statements on twitter are absolutely unacceptable. I know that if one of my employees had a case of twitter diarrhea, I wouldn't fire them- but if they consistently attacked my customers over a two week period, I'd fire him.

Now, I'd like to keep MovieBob around, but there need to be some consequences for his actions. The Escapist needs to remind its contributors that while on social media, they still represent the Escapist. I'd also like to see Chipman issue a public apology- and none of that namby pamby, George Bush, bullshit about how "I may have been rude, but I'm still in the right you guys!".

I would like to point out that while there is overlap between people who go to the escapist and people who support #GamerGate, they are not one and the same as shown by the fact that I'm here. If you mean that his comments about the end of gamers meant that he hates everyone who plays videogames or identifies with them, well, that's not what he meant. He meant that gaming culture as it exists currently is becoming outmoded and being left behind as the world changes around them. It's also worth mentioning that he has said that talk of the end of gaming was overblown and unnecessarily inflammatory, although he, and I, believe that it was coming from a good place. As for George Bush, you can be right and be perceived as an asshole, and still be right.

 

[thethird0611]

I have no fucking idea what the hell anyone is talking about, and frankly I'm not sure I want to know. All I know is this is something about MovieBob, and that's about it.

I have no fucking idea what the hell anyone is talking about, and frankly I'm not sure I want to know. All I know is this is something about MovieBob, and that's about it.

If you're willing to take the time, we'd be willing to answer your questions over if the big Gamer Gate thread. But, broad simplification:

1. Gamer Gate scandals begin
2. Movie Bob insults escapist community and gamers on twitter
3. Users begin to call for him to be fired, or at least censured.

If I remember correctly, it caused the front page twitter feed to be updated to only include staff, and not content contributors. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong though.

 

[ByzantineEmperorInExile]

In my time on the forums discussing this issue, I've noticed that many gamergate proponents say that they have evidence to support their case without providing a link to it. I'm pretty frustrated by this, and I simply wish that you would present the evidence you claim debunks my case.

It's on the Escapist!! You're here on the Escapist, but you don't actually read the Escapist? It's on the news, man.

 

[Inglorious891]

People don't like Moviebob? What an amazing discovery.

People haven't liked Moviebob ever since he came on the gaming scene. I know there haven't been threads that have called for him to get fired, but with all this Gamergate stuff flying about I'm not surprised one thread like that cropped up. Same goes for Jim; people have always had beef with him and always will. There are going to be people who respectuflly disagree with him and people who act like children about their beef with the guy. The same goes for anyone taking stances on hot topic issues. What both men are facing isn't anything new and the only reason why it's noteworthy is because it ties to the whole "Gamergate" issue, which is making people bring up their displeasure. People always had these negative feelings, it's just now that they feel like talking about them.

Don't get me wrong, I watch Bob's shows, so I do enjoy his work when he's talking about movies or comics, it's just his political views that drive me crazy. I don't hate the guy or want him to be fired despite my ire with his political views and how reactionary he seems to be whenever some controversy rears its head.

 

[firebobm173]

It's on the Escapist!! You're here on the Escapist, but you don't actually read the Escapist? It's on the news, man.

I feel quite insulted by our baseless accusation about not reading the escapist, as I have been a regular reader here for years. As for content on the escapist, I've already linked to moviebob's intermission on all this, which despite you not agreeing with it is still something I read on the escapist. As for other stuff, are you talking about this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137293-Exclusive-Zoe-Quinn-Posts-Chat-Logs-Debunking-GamerGate-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond] article that simply says what zoe quinn has said, then says what 4chan said, and is at pains to stay completely neutral throughout? And as for the link to the attempt to get MovieBob fired, I already talked about and linked to it in literally the second sentence of my original post.

 

[thethird0611]

It's on the Escapist!! You're here on the Escapist, but you don't actually read the Escapist? It's on the news, man.

I feel quite insulted by our baseless accusation about not reading the escapist, as I have been a regular reader here for years. As for content on the escapist, I've already linked to moviebob's intermission in all this, which despite you not agreeing with it is still something I read on the escapist. As for other stuff, are you talking about this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137293-Exclusive-Zoe-Quinn-Posts-Chat-Logs-Debunking-GamerGate-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond] article that simply says what zoe quinn has said, then says what 4chan said, and is at pains to stay completely neutral throughout?

So I am totally following your reponses in this thread right now.

Didn't you say that the article you posted on thedailydot was neutral, but took Zoe's side.... yet this article on the escapist 'pains to stay completely neutral throughout' by providing both parties a voice and comparing what they both say, without forcing a concluion on the reader?

 

[firebobm173]

It's on the Escapist!! You're here on the Escapist, but you don't actually read the Escapist? It's on the news, man.

I feel quite insulted by our baseless accusation about not reading the escapist, as I have been a regular reader here for years. As for content on the escapist, I've already linked to moviebob's intermission in all this, which despite you not agreeing with it is still something I read on the escapist. As for other stuff, are you talking about this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137293-Exclusive-Zoe-Quinn-Posts-Chat-Logs-Debunking-GamerGate-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond] article that simply says what zoe quinn has said, then says what 4chan said, and is at pains to stay completely neutral throughout?

So I am totally following your reponses in this thread right now.

Didn't you say that the article you posted on thedailydot was neutral, but took Zoe's side.... yet this article on the escapist 'pains to stay completely neutral throughout' by providing both parties a voice and comparing what they both say, without forcing a concluion on the reader?

Well obviously yes I did say that, and I would like to say that it's possible for someone to take a side on an issue without being biased to the point where their opinion should be completely dismissed.

 

[thethird0611]

It's on the Escapist!! You're here on the Escapist, but you don't actually read the Escapist? It's on the news, man.

I feel quite insulted by our baseless accusation about not reading the escapist, as I have been a regular reader here for years. As for content on the escapist, I've already linked to moviebob's intermission in all this, which despite you not agreeing with it is still something I read on the escapist. As for other stuff, are you talking about this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137293-Exclusive-Zoe-Quinn-Posts-Chat-Logs-Debunking-GamerGate-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond] article that simply says what zoe quinn has said, then says what 4chan said, and is at pains to stay completely neutral throughout?

So I am totally following your reponses in this thread right now.

Didn't you say that the article you posted on thedailydot was neutral, but took Zoe's side.... yet this article on the escapist 'pains to stay completely neutral throughout' by providing both parties a voice and comparing what they both say, without forcing a concluion on the reader?

Well obviously yes I did say that, and I would like to say that it's possible for someone to take a side on an issue without being biased to the point where their opinion should be completely dismissed.

Being neutral doesn't mean you can't take a side, it means you report both sides without your bias in it.

Being neutral is showing both sides of the story when the two sides differ and one side doesn't have a burden of proof.

Being neutral means your own opinion doesnt slander others, and you give both sides time to talk.

Even in the escapist article, they pointed out, "Please note that The Escapist firmly stands against all harassment, bullying and abuse." Even if Greg sides with Zoe, he is reporting this issue neutrally and giving both sides time to talk, and is letting his readers decide for themselves about the information.

 

[dragonswarrior]

I feel quite insulted by your baseless accusation about not reading the escapist, as I have been a regular reader here for years.

I friggin loved this line. *completely sincere*

OT: Eh, Moviebob gets angry at idiots and said idiots throw a shitstorm. It's happened before. It'll happen again. I do wish Moviebob could keep his cool more, since he is almost always right, but considering I have trouble with that too... Pots and kettles and the color black and all that...

 

[dragonswarrior]

It's on the Escapist!! You're here on the Escapist, but you don't actually read the Escapist? It's on the news, man.

I feel quite insulted by our baseless accusation about not reading the escapist, as I have been a regular reader here for years. As for content on the escapist, I've already linked to moviebob's intermission in all this, which despite you not agreeing with it is still something I read on the escapist. As for other stuff, are you talking about this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137293-Exclusive-Zoe-Quinn-Posts-Chat-Logs-Debunking-GamerGate-4Chan-and-Quinn-Respond] article that simply says what zoe quinn has said, then says what 4chan said, and is at pains to stay completely neutral throughout?

So I am totally following your reponses in this thread right now.

Didn't you say that the article you posted on thedailydot was neutral, but took Zoe's side.... yet this article on the escapist 'pains to stay completely neutral throughout' by providing both parties a voice and comparing what they both say, without forcing a concluion on the reader?

Well obviously yes I did say that, and I would like to say that it's possible for someone to take a side on an issue without being biased to the point where their opinion should be completely dismissed.

Being neutral doesn't mean you can't take a side, it means you report both sides without your bias in it.

Being neutral is showing both sides of the story when the two sides differ and one side doesn't have a burden of proof.

Being neutral means your own opinion doesnt slander others, and you give both sides time to talk.

Even in the escapist article, they pointed out, "Please note that The Escapist firmly stands against all harassment, bullying and abuse." Even if Greg sides with Zoe, he is reporting this issue neutrally and giving both sides time to talk, and is letting his readers decide for themselves about the information.

You do realize that if one side of a two sided story is stupid, than neutrality means showing that stupidity right? I'm not saying Moviebob was neutral or unbiased in this case, because he wasn't, but "neutrality" also doesn't mean going out of your way to make both sides look like they have a point if one side is completely off it's rocker.

Additionally, I think the point is that someone can be biased and still be right. Having bias doesn't automatically make you wrong about the thing you're biased about. Now, all I've read of Moviebob's take on this controversy was that one Intermission article, but I found it rather spot on. Bias and all.

 

[firebobm173]

Being neutral doesn't mean you can't take a side, it means you report both sides without your bias in it.

Being neutral is showing both sides of the story when the two sides differ and one side doesn't have a burden of proof.

Being neutral means your own opinion doesnt slander others, and you give both sides time to talk.

Even in the escapist article, they pointed out, "Please note that The Escapist firmly stands against all harassment, bullying and abuse." Even if Greg sides with Zoe, he is reporting this issue neutrally and giving both sides time to talk, and is letting his readers decide for themselves about the information.

Ok we seem to working from two different definitions of the word neutral [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/neutral]. You seem be using it to mean not being biased, but taking a side and bias are not the same thing. I am using in the sense of the first two definitions of the word in the link, meaning not taking a side.