Depiction of Muhammad?

[ImprovizoR]

I understand why they would censor it.

Well I don't understand it. Freedom of speech shouldn't be suspended just because some people with cavemen mentality find something offensive and threaten to kill everyone. There are laws in western society that should punish those who threaten in such manner. If Muslims want to live in a culturally diverse country that allows free speech and equal rights for everyone then they have to suck it up and accept criticism. If they don't like it then they should get the fuck out and go back to their fuckin' desert. If people stood up to these religious freaks they wouldn't have had to censor it.

 

[kickyourass]

Don't get me wrong, I understand why they would censor it. They did not want to be blown up.

You realize that the actually creators, Trey Stone and Matt Parker, didn't want the image censored right?

That aside, as long as you're not going out of your way to be a dick about it, I don't see any real problems with depictions of Muhammad, same as I see no real problems with depictions of Christ.

 

[Frotality]

i understand why muslims would take offense to visual depictions of muhammad (Islam forbids visually representing Muhammad, as he didnt want people to idolize and worship him, if i recall correctly), but south park is kinda built around being offensive. every time public media backs down out of fear of muslim extremists...guess what? thats the goal of terrorism.

we spend 10 years fruitlessly searching for bin laden and censor our media to appease terrorists... yeah, theyve won. we want to change that, we need to stop treating Islam as sacrosanct above everything else. as much as one would like to think americans discriminate agaisnt muslims, functionally we're discriminating up, not down. in bad taste or not, why should muhammad be off limits when no other religious figure is? because of fear? i think not.

 

[Jonluw]

I think we should be allowed to show Muhammad, yes. If only to spit in the face of terrorists.

Spoiler: For the record, south park actually showed Muhammad in the super best friends episode.

 

[mirasiel]

However I'm really pissed that everyone who is not a Muslim are trying to illustrate him just for shits and giggles. It just shows that they have no respect for another's religion and all they want to do is stir up anger.

Plus this makes the extremist all violent and explosive, thus ruining the reputation of all the other Muslims who are trying to prove that all of us are bad.

Somethings dont deserve respect, people who throw their toys out of the pram over a picture are one of those things.

I'm not sure a 'belief' is worthy of respect, at least not in grown adults any way. We humour children for various reasons but children dont usually threaten to kill people over the tooth fairy*.


*at least not in my experience

 

[shootthebandit]

what annoys me is that people threaten to kill others over a fucking drawing, A DRAWING, dont they realise how trivial such a thing is yet they are threatening to blow themselves up over it.

i think everyone needs to watch this:

 

[NeutralDrow]

When even people rightly viewed as "extremists" (i.e. several members of the "threatening" web site in question) point out that it's an overreaction and that they're perfectly aware that Stone and Parker aren't being insulting, you know there's something wrong.

Of course, considering the majority of Muslims during the whole Danish cartoons thing were turning to the protesters and saying "calm the fuck down, already," a sentiment which received far less coverage than the violence, talking about this is damn near pointless.

 

[Double A]

Dont get me wrong, I understand why they would censor it. They did not want to be blown up.

And here gentlemen is where we recognise stereotypes on Muslims.

They actually were threatened, though. It's one thing to go out of your way, but it's another to back down when threatened.

Of course, the guys who made the threat were in New York, and there were like five of 'em. Personally I would have gone ahead and aired the episode.

Comedy Central overreacted, though. Muslims don't care if you say "Muhammad." And there was a very long part where Stan, Santa, and possibly someone else were making a speech on what they learned which was completely censored. Freaking ridiculous.

 

[Slippers]

Of course, considering the majority of Muslims during the whole Danish cartoons thing were turning to the protesters and saying "calm the fuck down, already," a sentiment which received far less coverage than the violence, talking about this is damn near pointless.

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. This concerns every single group.

 

[Actual]

And there was a very long part where Stan, Santa, and possibly someone else were making a speech on what they learned which was completely censored. Freaking ridiculous.

I thought the censoring was a deliberate joke, to show the ridiculousness of censoring. I could be wrong but it made me laugh.

 

[Snake Plissken]

However I'm really pissed that everyone who is not a Muslim are trying to illustrate him just for shits and giggles. It just shows that they have no respect for another's religion and all they want to do is stir up anger.

That's ridiculous. Nobody is drawing Muhammed for shits and giggles. They're doing it to express the fact that a small group of crazy fundamentalists will not have an impact on the educated, civilized world. They are trying to take away my right to DRAW A PICTURE, and NOBODY should submit to that. As Aron Ra says in the video below:
"Opposing terrorism is NOT the same as spreading hatred."

This. Basically, if it doesn't have anything to do with you, don't mess with it. If they don't want Muhammed drawn, don't draw him.

You are submitting to terrorists, in a very literal sense.

I don't want you to eat pork because that is what my religion dictates. Since I don't want you to eat pork, please stop. Also, money is not allowed to be spent except on Wednesdays after 6pm. Since this is what my religion dictates and I will do whatever my god dictates in order to make everyone adhere to these ridiculous standards, please stop. Also...

See? Where does the line get drawn?

 

[Armored Prayer]

However I'm really pissed that everyone who is not a Muslim are trying to illustrate him just for shits and giggles. It just shows that they have no respect for another's religion and all they want to do is stir up anger.

Plus this makes the extremist all violent and explosive, thus ruining the reputation of all the other Muslims who are trying to prove that all of us are bad.

Somethings dont deserve respect, people who throw their toys out of the pram over a picture are one of those things.

Those are the extremist that I was talking about, and yes they don't desire any respect. Sadly they also talk the loudest which is why you don't see that many other Muslims being ok with the illustrations.

I also blame the media who love to spread the misinformation, thus giving the audience the wrong impression of Muslims. Not to mention showing anti-Muslim agendas, thus giving the extremist something to ***** about.

 

[Theistic]

I understand why they would censor it.

Well I don't understand it. Freedom of speech shouldn't be suspended just because some people with cavemen mentality find something offensive and threaten to kill everyone. There are laws in western society that should punish those who threaten in such manner. If Muslims want to live in a culturally diverse country that allows free speech and equal rights for everyone then they have to suck it up and accept criticism. If they don't like it then they should get the fuck out and go back to their fuckin' desert. If people stood up to these religious freaks they wouldn't have had to censor it.

Mmyes because we all live in deserts and are uncultured, uncivilized brutes with little to no regard for others' rights and opinions. I'm so terribly sorry that we apparently beat eachother silly over having meaningful conversation that isn't authorized by the law. I had no idea that we were that big douchebags.


Seriously, what the hell?


Anyway, on to the point: I'm a muslim (as you might've guessed), and I personally don't mind too much if someone does stuff like this. I think South Park's depiction of Jesus, for example, was perfectly fine and wouldn't mind it too much if the same treatment was given to Muhammed (PBUH). Just, keep it classy, y'know?

I personally detest what was done here in Denmark (where I coincidentally live). I mean it's one thing insulting over a billion people for the lulz like some kind of newspaper for /b/tards, but when some people wanted apologies (way before the demonstrations as far as I can recall)the editor said something akin to (mind, I'm not too sure since I don't remember but this should be accurate): "Those bloody women-opressing towelheads sure as hell aren't going to tell us what to print!"
Well, what the fuck was that for?

 

[Private Custard]

This thread reminded me of a site from many years back that created jokey action figures. I can't find the site, but I found a couple of images.

God

Allah

I found this hilarious. I think you all know where I stand on the issue of religious (in)tolerance. The more you *****, the more I dig my heels in and refuse to change!

 

[Blind Sight]

I have no issue with it, simply because of the fact that you have to deal with other people disagreeing with your religious, political, and cultural beliefs in society. If you're within a liberal democracy, you just have to accept the fact that other people can actively do things that are against your faith. You have no right to control them, and need to just let it go.

 

[saruman31]

Religious extremist are stupid. Deal with it.

 

[Grospoliner]

I think you've all missed something.

The creators could have shown the episode uncensored if they wanted to. Yes. Whether or not they were willing to take the risk to do so is not the point however. Whether or not it was right to censor it or not, is not the point either. Take a moment and think about what the episode would have been like if the image of Muhammad had not been censored. What would you have thought about it? Would it be significant to you if you had seen the Muhammad character from the earlier season? Or would it just be another episode to laugh at then forget about.

Or is the fact that this sparks something within your mind and heart that makes it far more important than it ever would have been uncensored?

 

[Jroo wuz heer]

But because some people are threatening violent actions then they cannot show it, because all religions are equal right?
Dont get me wrong, I understand why they would censor it. They did not want to be blown up. Thoughts?

they prolly get deeath threats for everything they do, they just get an unusually high amount for showing mohamed