So, I've started playing Deus Ex:HR. Im 10 minutes In, and its ridiculous. I'm on Normal difficulty and it's so hard. As soon as I leave cover I get eaten. Am I the only one that thinks this game is hard? Or is it just me being really crap? Interested to hear about other peoples experiences. I think I'd really like the game, but it's just so damn tedious dying all the time.
Deus Ex: Human Revolution is really hard?
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I didn't think it was very hard. The first level, where I'm guessing you are since you're only 10 minutes in, isn't representative of the rest of the game though. Deus Ex is a stealth game, but the first level is pretty much a pure shooter, which is where I guess you're having problems with.
Anyway, are you using cover effectively? You don't get a lot of health in Deus Ex, and you get shot down really fast if you try to go all Rambo. Use cover, use the third person view to figure out where enemies are before you poke your head out, and generally just be smart about your movement. If you can be in cover at any point, then you should be in cover, that's basically all the advice I can give you.
Anyway, are you using cover effectively? You don't get a lot of health in Deus Ex, and you get shot down really fast if you try to go all Rambo. Use cover, use the third person view to figure out where enemies are before you poke your head out, and generally just be smart about your movement. If you can be in cover at any point, then you should be in cover, that's basically all the advice I can give you.
If you want to attack from the front, fight while in cover until you have taken down everyone who is shooting at you.
You can make it much easier if you take alternate routes and flank your enemies or avoid them completely. Fighting is optional in this game unless it's a boss fight.
You can make it much easier if you take alternate routes and flank your enemies or avoid them completely. Fighting is optional in this game unless it's a boss fight.
I had the opposite experience entirely. When I started the game it asked me if I wanted it to "Give me Deus Ex" and I said yes. Didn't look back once. I think it made more of an impact than if I'd have played it on a lower difficulty.
First thing I did when I got into a new area was sit and observe for a while. Where can I hide? Where are the enemies patrolling? Are there any cameras? How many stun darts / tranq shots do I have?
If it were me playing I'd be looking to stay hidden and only take down those that are absolutely necessary and always from outside of their line of sight. As far as Belltower is concerned their employees were all attacked by a vicious but reasonable cyber-poltergeist.
First thing I did when I got into a new area was sit and observe for a while. Where can I hide? Where are the enemies patrolling? Are there any cameras? How many stun darts / tranq shots do I have?
If it were me playing I'd be looking to stay hidden and only take down those that are absolutely necessary and always from outside of their line of sight. As far as Belltower is concerned their employees were all attacked by a vicious but reasonable cyber-poltergeist.
I played on the Tell me a Story difficulty and I don't regret it. I found the game challenging for my skill level and I did beat it and found it quite enjoyable. It is a stealth game and the start is a bit shooty but it's not too bad, there's no shame in playing on easy and you don't miss out on playing that mode.
There is quite an aggressively small HP pool in that game. I think it's not really so easy to play it as a straight shooter, so some use of cover and augs will be needed in the game. I think later on you can unlock some ballistic protection or something to increase damage resistance, but you won't have it to begin with and I'm not sure how much difference it'll make.
As others have mentioned, it's not an easy game if you play it like a shooter so even if you don't normally like stealth in games, it's worth trying it here. Even if you just take down a couple of guys, or get into a good position it makes the subsequent fight easier. The take-downs might seem wasteful because they use up your battery power, but in the early game you don't really have anything else to waste your batteries on anyway, and the last charge regenerates over time.
If you leave cover, you will die quite fast. Try to move around using the context sensitive actions rather than manually legging it, as they tend to be much more efficient at dodging bullets. If you find you need to move around in combat, consider upgrading either cloaking or ballistic protection. Most players use cloaking for stealth, but you can use it very effectively in combat too.
If you leave cover, you will die quite fast. Try to move around using the context sensitive actions rather than manually legging it, as they tend to be much more efficient at dodging bullets. If you find you need to move around in combat, consider upgrading either cloaking or ballistic protection. Most players use cloaking for stealth, but you can use it very effectively in combat too.
Tips for combat:
If then enemy hasn't noticed you yet, use that opportunity to quickly take at least one of them down before they can properly respond. Go for headshots. Stay in cover, only popping out to quickly take down a single enemy and then go back into cover. Try to maintain some distance from the enemy. Use available augmentations when in a pinch. Do not Rambo, you'll get chewed up in seconds. Take it slow. Be methodical and precise.
But generally, you'll want to avoid direct confrontations. The game is primarily a stealth game.
Tips for stealth:
Stay in cover. Take some time to observe the enemy before you try to sneak past them. Try to find the optimal route past them, or better, look for a way to avoid the encounter altogether. When sneaking past, keep tabs on where all the enemies are and adjust your route accordingly. Don't make big, loud movements. Don't use non-silenced weapons. When using silenced weapons, make sure the target you're about to take out can't be seen by other enemies. Use available augmentations when in a pinch.
Save for bosses, any encounter in the game can be stealthed, even on a pacifist playthrough.
If then enemy hasn't noticed you yet, use that opportunity to quickly take at least one of them down before they can properly respond. Go for headshots. Stay in cover, only popping out to quickly take down a single enemy and then go back into cover. Try to maintain some distance from the enemy. Use available augmentations when in a pinch. Do not Rambo, you'll get chewed up in seconds. Take it slow. Be methodical and precise.
But generally, you'll want to avoid direct confrontations. The game is primarily a stealth game.
Tips for stealth:
Stay in cover. Take some time to observe the enemy before you try to sneak past them. Try to find the optimal route past them, or better, look for a way to avoid the encounter altogether. When sneaking past, keep tabs on where all the enemies are and adjust your route accordingly. Don't make big, loud movements. Don't use non-silenced weapons. When using silenced weapons, make sure the target you're about to take out can't be seen by other enemies. Use available augmentations when in a pinch.
Save for bosses, any encounter in the game can be stealthed, even on a pacifist playthrough.
You have to use cover, you cannot really run and gun in the open like many FPS games and for combat its more of a "quietly and quickly take enemies down and not attract a swarm" shooter than a "bring on the dakka!" style shooter. The enemies are pretty accurate if you are out in the open and can bring a huge weight of fire to bear if you give them a chance, Jensen is pretty weak too with a low amount of HP. Even with the sub dermal armour and other augmentations he cannot take much damage, those upgrades only help Jensen scale as the game gets harder rather than provide extra durability.
Play it more like a cover based shooter like Mass Effect or Gears of War when you play a combat play through, remember to reposition too. If you pick a spot and camp it the AI tends to bunch all the enemies up where they can all get shots off, which sounds good for grenades or AoE weapons but also means as soon as you pop out they will all start blasting you and Jensen will die in seconds. For combat run throughs you will definitely want the Typhoon aug, get that and the armour along with the strength augs that improve stability so you can make the most of guns like the Heavy Rifle along with the other accuracy augs and focus your augs. For a combat run stick with augmentations that improve Jensens accuracy and durability and don't bother with some of the stealth related augs, for a stealth run the reverse obviously applies. Speed augs are good and allow you to evade fire and get into cover and the silent running and sprinting aug is great even on combat runs, with speed augs Jensen can run incredibly quickly and the silent running aug means if the NPCs have no line of sight you can sprint up to them and do a double take down before they can get a shot off.
Weapon wise the Heavy rifle is a good one for out and out firefights as well as the upgraded Shotgun that fires two rounds at a time, the Sniper Rifle is another must and allows you to thin out large groups quickly from cover. An upgraded Revolver with seven rounds and explosive ammunition mod is one of my favourites, with all the damage mods it will kill almost every human enemy (apart from bosses ofc) with a single headshot. The Pistol is not to be underestimated either as it has an upgrade that ignore any armour bonus the NPC has and a double tap headshot will kill any Human (non boss obviously but headshots will do heavy damage to the bosses because it ignores their armour), Ammo will never be an issue with that weapon as its everywhere. Like the augs focus your cash on the upgrades on the lethal weapons you get the most use out of, for a stealth run getting magazine upgrades and the target seeking flechettes for your Machine Pistol doesn't make much sense but in a combat run it does. You don't really need to waste cash on upgrading your Tranquilizer Rifle when you want to fight it out. Silencers are a must for weapons that have them because you can take a single enemy down without attracting the attention of everyone nearby, you can also thin out large groups if you use a silenced weapon as an initiator.
So stay on the move and use cover, don't forget melee either. If you see a guard or two in a good position to takedown don't miss it, a good way to remove a couple of enemies from the firefight immediately and for those same reasons its a good initiator too. Also try to make the best use of the environment and hack any robots and turrets and use them to your advantage, remember to use your mines and stop enemies from flanking you and deny them good positions.
Thats pretty much the only advice I can think of for combat playthroughs.
Play it more like a cover based shooter like Mass Effect or Gears of War when you play a combat play through, remember to reposition too. If you pick a spot and camp it the AI tends to bunch all the enemies up where they can all get shots off, which sounds good for grenades or AoE weapons but also means as soon as you pop out they will all start blasting you and Jensen will die in seconds. For combat run throughs you will definitely want the Typhoon aug, get that and the armour along with the strength augs that improve stability so you can make the most of guns like the Heavy Rifle along with the other accuracy augs and focus your augs. For a combat run stick with augmentations that improve Jensens accuracy and durability and don't bother with some of the stealth related augs, for a stealth run the reverse obviously applies. Speed augs are good and allow you to evade fire and get into cover and the silent running and sprinting aug is great even on combat runs, with speed augs Jensen can run incredibly quickly and the silent running aug means if the NPCs have no line of sight you can sprint up to them and do a double take down before they can get a shot off.
Weapon wise the Heavy rifle is a good one for out and out firefights as well as the upgraded Shotgun that fires two rounds at a time, the Sniper Rifle is another must and allows you to thin out large groups quickly from cover. An upgraded Revolver with seven rounds and explosive ammunition mod is one of my favourites, with all the damage mods it will kill almost every human enemy (apart from bosses ofc) with a single headshot. The Pistol is not to be underestimated either as it has an upgrade that ignore any armour bonus the NPC has and a double tap headshot will kill any Human (non boss obviously but headshots will do heavy damage to the bosses because it ignores their armour), Ammo will never be an issue with that weapon as its everywhere. Like the augs focus your cash on the upgrades on the lethal weapons you get the most use out of, for a stealth run getting magazine upgrades and the target seeking flechettes for your Machine Pistol doesn't make much sense but in a combat run it does. You don't really need to waste cash on upgrading your Tranquilizer Rifle when you want to fight it out. Silencers are a must for weapons that have them because you can take a single enemy down without attracting the attention of everyone nearby, you can also thin out large groups if you use a silenced weapon as an initiator.
So stay on the move and use cover, don't forget melee either. If you see a guard or two in a good position to takedown don't miss it, a good way to remove a couple of enemies from the firefight immediately and for those same reasons its a good initiator too. Also try to make the best use of the environment and hack any robots and turrets and use them to your advantage, remember to use your mines and stop enemies from flanking you and deny them good positions.
Thats pretty much the only advice I can think of for combat playthroughs.
I breezed through it on the hardest difficulty on my first playthrough stealth-only. I think the only time I had to use pills was during boss fights- literally everything else is killable from stealth or avoidable.
As far as the first few levels- they're the hardest imo as you have very few skill points, weapons and grenades.
As far as the first few levels- they're the hardest imo as you have very few skill points, weapons and grenades.
I've finished it twice on the hardest difficulty. I'm not sure what to tell you... it's just not a particularly hard game.
Use cover, use stealth. Even if you're playing it combative, stealth will give you the first hit.
I'd recommend weapons, but basically all of them are viable.
Use cover, use stealth. Even if you're playing it combative, stealth will give you the first hit.
I'd recommend weapons, but basically all of them are viable.
Thanks for the replies and help guys. At least I kind of know it isn't just me being shit.I think it must just be me adpating to that gameplay style. As a PC guy we don't really get that kind of cover style game, and was never into Mass Effect. Maybe if I just try putting the difficulty down until I get used to it or something. IDK.
But thanks though. XD
But thanks though. XD
Depends . Iv'e played so many games that i started my first playthrough on " give me deus ex" mode ( read:hard mode) and had little trouble . Just a bit with the bosses , but not that much . But to be fair , i played it like i do splinter cell , stealthily . Also , the pistol is OP , but it's the quietest weapon so that's what i used . I will agree that the begining is the hardest part .But i was disapointed in the difficulty. But that might just be because i'm a masochist and like hard games.Ryan Hilton said:
That first part is a bit tougher for a tutorial, I will admit that. It is perfectly possible to stealth the whole thing though, if you have the patience. Otherwise, you'll have to be fairly adept at cover shooting, because you don't have great health as only a human.
The rest of the game is much easier than that, because there's more opportunity for stealth and, of course, you can build your augments to do so.
The rest of the game is much easier than that, because there's more opportunity for stealth and, of course, you can build your augments to do so.
I remember one of the only real difficult parts I had was the police station, because for that location only I had opted to not murder everyone. It took me for-EVER to get through there stealthily, far far longer than the areas where I just shot everything in sight.
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I've actually never had to stealth my way through the police station. I've always just talked my way in since it's incredibly easy to do so. I haven't touched the game in like a year, but I should try stealthing the police station since it's something I never did during my play-throughs.piinyouri said:
You can kill all three bosses without firing a single weapon, you don't get an achievement or anything extra for doing it though. Barrett is the easiest, just throw the gas canisters and fire extinguishers at him. If you miss a throw or anything gets blown up before you can throw it you need to get him to grenade himself to finish him off, he throws them in a certain point in his attack pattern and telegraphs the throw and they have a long cooking time so its easy. He always walks towards you shooting so get him in the corner and run around the cover keeping him there, then when he winds up his throw head towards the wall so they bounce off and then run away so he starts walking again and he walks right onto them.trty00 said:
For Fedorova you need a certain aug to do it easily/safely, you need the EMP shielding one. She has a pattern too and in a certain point she will open an attack by running towards you and uncloaking at the last second and firing her Claymore (like Jensens Typhoon but its a narrow forward arc rather than 360 degrees), just hang around near a server box so she blows it up with the Claymore and electrifies the floor and herself and repeat till she dies. If you don't have the EMP protection you will get electrocuted as well so you have to bunny hop and hope to avoid the worst of it, if she has got a few shots in and you don't entirely miss the Claymore its easy to die though.
Finally you have Namir, this is kind of an exploit though. If you try to do a takedown on him just the same as the other two bosses he will turn it around and Jensen gets taken down with a one hit kill instead, if you catch him in mid air as he jumps over the partitions Jensen will do the takedown as any other enemy and Namir instantly dies the same. Its an exploit as I guess it was unintended to takedown bosses because of the way Jensen gets insta killed instead, I just see it as Jensen catching him off guard and having the advantage though.
There is a second way but its unreliable and it takes certain augs and takes ages, if anyone buys the augs especially to try this and spends ages trying it you have been warned. If you have the extra heavy item carrying aug and the turret hacking/reprogramming aug there is a turret further back in the level you can then hack and carry to the boss fight, it takes a while as he walks really slowly carrying extra heavy items and it burns energy so every now and then Jensen will drop it and you have to wait for a bar to regen or eat some chocolate and carry on. If you get the turret in there and place it well (if you have the upgrade and lose your augs you cannot move it so it will have to stay in front of the door) the turret will open up on him and kill him after a few hits, it can be unreliable though because sometimes Namir will simply sling a cluster of EMP grenades at it the first time it fires on him which kill it straight away. Sometimes he does and sometimes he doesnt, no idea why though.