Developer: The Call Of Duty Engine is a "Porsche"

[Delusibeta]

The Call of Duty engine is a Porsche: a 1950s 356 with its roof missing. Hell, they still have "Powered by id Tech" on the box, so there must be some decade-old code in there.

Do you work at DICE? Have you worked with the Frostbite 2? The answer is probably no, so shut up.

I don't recall saying anything about Frostbite 2, Battlefield 3, EA or DICE in my post. I was just pointing out that the CoD engine is really, really old. Hell, the latest version of Source is newer. The fact that you're jumping to the conclusion that I was about to praise Battlefield 3 says more about you than it does me.

 

[Korten12]

In general being complete a##holes to the community (I mean has Gabe Newell every stated he wanted to charge people extra for cutscenes? no? Kotick did. Has Valve ever charged £10 map packs in the past 2 years? no? Activision did. (in fact Valve's most recent DLC was FREE and added around a 1/5 extra to the co-op)).

Activision is talk but doesn't do any of those.

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken there.

That they have done, but they haven't done charge extra for cutscenes.

 

[Josh123914]

But all the ''kewl'' kids in my year get it because of the superiority complex

Oh the irony. You guys say this and then act like your superior for not buying it.

not trying to troll or anyting but there is only one of me

DESTROYING and stagnating the ENTIRE shooter genre.

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I am sorry but how is Call of Duty doing this? What because it's popular and people copy it? Then isn't that the fault of other publishers copying them? How has call of Duty stagnated the Entire shooter genre? Has it told other publishers, "Copy me please!" No it hasn't.

[/quote]Oh come off it, Activision has been doing this for YEARS, quick example:
Guitar Hero, in the Space of 6 years, 17 titles for the series came out, that's nearly 3 per year! all because activision found a profit to be made in it they nearly destroyed the music game genre, and when it stopped being profitable, instead of fixing what was broken, they threw it away.

Should we stop any shooter from getting popular out of fear of Destroying the Genre?
In general being complete a##holes to the community (I mean has Gabe Newell every stated he wanted to charge people extra for cutscenes? no? Kotick did. Has Valve ever charged £10 map packs in the past 2 years? no? Activision did. (in fact Valve's most recent DLC was FREE and added around a 1/5 extra to the co-op)).

Activision is talk but doesn't do any of those.

Really? so in the past 2 years CoD has had NO overpriced map packs worth mentioning?

P.S. That's something I love too, remember back in Christmas last year when games like AC:Brotherhood and Battlefield were going for something like £5.99, but CoD 4 (2 years old mind you) was still up at £39.99? I do, many laughs were had.

You have a wierd sense of humor if you found that funny...[/quote] Funny in the ''stupid business'' sense, I mean they stuck out like a sore thumb alongside prices that you'd normally find in a bargain bin.

P.S. ''Humor'' is spelt with a ''U''. Humour.

 

[Josh123914]

In general being complete a##holes to the community (I mean has Gabe Newell every stated he wanted to charge people extra for cutscenes? no? Kotick did. Has Valve ever charged £10 map packs in the past 2 years? no? Activision did. (in fact Valve's most recent DLC was FREE and added around a 1/5 extra to the co-op)).

Activision is talk but doesn't do any of those.

I'm pretty sure you're mistaken there.

That they have done, but they haven't done charge extra for cutscenes.

In an inteview with Kotick shortly after the release of Starcraft 2 he said he would like to charge upwards to $30 for movie quality cutscenes in games. OR, if you want to spin the argument in my favour again: Has Valve ever announced they are considering this? no? Activision's CEO is/Has.
Has Activision ever given away free DLC in the past 2 years? no? Valve has.

 

[SFR]

The engine doesn't matter at all. It's how you use it usually. For example, this post says that all CoD games have been using the same engine since 2005. MW2 looks A LOT better than BLoPs.

One other thing. An engine still being called by the same name doesn't mean it's the same engine. If they added 2 to the end of it a few years ago, people wouldn't care so much. The same goes for Source. So much has been added and changed it's staggering, yet people seriously think that it's the same thing that runs CS:S. It's just not true. Now, I haven't seen much footage of MW3. I probably won't get it. Still, I'd hazard a guess that it'll look pretty damn good and run smooth.

BF3 still looks a lot better though. Yep, that's what people want to remember. That's why this article exists at all (at least the interview in it).

 

[Korten12]

not trying to troll or anyting but there is only one of me

That was more refering the escapist in general.

Oh come off it, Activision has been doing this for YEARS, quick example:
Guitar Hero, in the Space of 6 years, 17 titles for the series came out, that's nearly 3 per year! all because activision found a profit to be made in it they nearly destroyed the music game genre, and when it stopped being profitable, instead of fixing what was broken, they threw it away.

Guitar Hero =/= Call of Duty, granted CoD is yearly, but doesn't come out with more then 1 a year. Plus it didn't die, there is still Rock band 3 which is quite good as I hear. But even then, you still haven't explained how COD is destroying the genre. Only refering to Guitar Hero and the Music Genre.

Really? so in the past 2 years CoD has had NO overpriced map packs worth mentioning?

I will admit, I didn't see that small bit in your text, which obviously is true since they do. But they haven't charged for cutscenes.

Funny in the ''stupid business'' sense, I mean they stuck out like a sore thumb alongside prices that you'd normally find in a bargain bin.

P.S. ''Humor'' is spelt with a ''U''. Humou[/\b]r.

£39.99 = roughly $60 (according to a yahoo search), I doubt it was in the bargin bin, and also I hugely doubt it was going for £39.99. If it was really then that's the game store and not the publisher.

That depends on where you live, in the US, we type Humor, other places Humour, so neither is the right way.

 

[Blind Sight]

Here comes the COD hate train.

"DERP BUT LOOK FROSTBITE HERP" - yeah, remind me, where did he say that COD had better graphics or sound? He said its easier to work with, easier to put in new lines of code without creating a bazillion bugs. Is the Frostbite engine superior in this aspect too? The general message I am getting from this thread is yes. Then let me ask you -

The Call of Duty engine is a Porsche: a 1950s 356 with its roof missing. Hell, they still have "Powered by id Tech" on the box, so there must be some decade-old code in there.

In terms of quality, if the Call of Duty engine is a Porsche, what does that make the Frostbite 2 engine? A Lamborghini made of solid gold with diamond encrusted wheels?

Joking aside, I just don't see how this is a good comparison at all. I mean, I know it's this guy's job to promote and defend his product but the Call of Duty engine is kind of... dated. Aside from very small bumps in visuals, it hasn't really changed at all since 2007.

I dunno, I'm not one to get hung up on engines and graphics and what not, but it's using old technology in places.

To compare, the BF3 engine, Frostbite 2 (I think)is brand new tech and has been redesigned for the game.

But, as they say, the proof is in the pudding =)

The CoD engine is a Porsche? So.....its a mid-range fairly cheap little runner that looks an awful lot flashier than it is?

*Engage possible fan-rage enducing quotation*///// So, does that mean that the Frostbite 2 engine is practically Concorde by comparison? /////*disengage possible fan rage enducing quotation*[/i[

Dont get me wrong, I ejnjoy playing CoD as much as the next guy, but.....I cant see this analogy working too well.

Do you work at DICE? Have you worked with the Frostbite 2? The answer is probably no, so shut up.

Inb4 obligatory CoD hate. Time to live up to my title!

Tell me about it man. You have no idea how many times I have had to defend COD from the hordes of ignorant motherfuckers flaming it for no reason. The ironic thing is, while flaming the 12 year old COD kiddies, they make themselves look exactly the same.

Um, calm the hell down? God forbid that you couldn't, you know, rationally argue against these people, or, if they're just complaining for the sake of complaining, ignore them. No, instead you go with whiny name-calling. Classy.

I can get what he's saying, sometimes it's better to have a very functional engine rather then a graphically impressive one (just look at Source), but his comment about people who have 'no idea' just seems somewhat out of left-field and childish. I mean, if you're going to make that argument, prove it, rather then just say that your critics have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Does that mean the Half Life 2 engine is a space shuttle?

 

[Joshimodo]

Tell me about it man. You have no idea how many times I have had to defend COD from the hordes of ignorant motherfuckers flaming it for no reason. The ironic thing is, while flaming the 12 year old COD kiddies, they make themselves look exactly the same.

Apart from the childish nature in which they slate CoD, they are correct. The series is a relic, and not a great one at that. It's holding the industry back and has damaged mainstream gaming, at least for a while. Sure, it's added some good things, but not in quite some years.

There is a difference in flaming and pointing out facts.

 

[Treblaine]

He went on to add that anyone who doesn't see the difference between Modern Warfare 3's and its predecessor has "no idea." "There is so much that we've added, so when someone says 'cut and paste', I don't even want to talk to them because they don't know," he said. "They just don't know."

Hey, I don't care how much you changed under the hood, whether it is or is not a copy/paste job... the point is is DOES LOOK LIKE a copy/paste job.

Show us how it is different, and I don't mean textures, I mean self evident with comparisons that speak for themselves.

 

[bbad89]

if the COD engine is a Porsche...then does that make Halo's and Frostbite and fucking cruise ships? and the source engine a classic hot rod with space flight capabilities?

Time for a bunch of morons to come on and hate CoD because it's CoD.

Let me fix that for you.

Time for a bunch of reasonable people to come on and hate CoD because it's bland, boring, un-innovative, contains unlikeable characters, has terrible AI by today's standards, looks the same as all the previous games, and is ran by the only game developers more evil than EA who actually TRY to make a good game with exception to sports titles.

There you go. All better.

I'm assuming that the millions of sales result from that then?

 

[jhlip]

Well, someone is getting a bit defensive now aren't they? Maybe it'll show in the work this time.

 

[Terminate421]

He went on to add that anyone who doesn't see the difference between Modern Warfare 3's and its predecessor has "no idea." "There is so much that we've added, so when someone says 'cut and paste', I don't even want to talk to them because they don't know," he said. "They just don't know."

Don't you miss the days when professionals, you know, TRIED to act professional?

Pick a description. Pick ANY description.

How long did it take you?

When interviewed, asking a generic question usually leads to an answer that is either simple or very specific. Usually you can't think of the proper wording to not make you sound like an ass or just pick out words that sound proffesional. You stick to what you feel like it sounds like.


Also, the engine still looks nice, I just hope the animations for the characters and such are no longer choppy.

 

[Syntax Man]

He claims that there isn't any old code in there, but that is erroneous espcially seeing as the CoD games still use hit-scans instead of actual projectiles.

 

[Frost27]

Yep, it's a porsche. A 2007.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Regarding your last statement, that was the entire point. It's a BETA running on 6 week code that was used prior. Let me repeat that again, it's a BETA, NOT a demo, a BETA that was running on 6 week old code. I think I might have just gotten through...

No, it was a demo seeing how the game came out in less than a month. The game was on a pressed disk before the Beta came out.

You don't take a six week old build of a game that you've pretty much already fixed and call it a "Beta". That defeats the purpose of what a beta is. That was a demo, no matter what they wanted you to believe

 

[Vankraken]

Unless this guy is a car repair tech as well as a computer programmer then he is talking out of his ass. Fail analogy is fail.

The point i guess the guy is trying to make is that the engine they run the game on is old but been updated to keep up with the times and is well made. The problem they (the entire CoD dev team) don't seem to understand is that the game's mechanics are trash (hit scan, shitty weapon balance, zero learning curve.) and as such it creates a crappy play experience. Who gives a crap if the graphics are good if the gameplay is lacking in every respect unless your playing to mindlessly "pwn noobs" and play every mode like its death match.

More shinny for the magpies and ADD children who likes all the gold stars the game spams at them.

 

[Jegsimmons]

if the COD engine is a Porsche...then does that make Halo's and Frostbite and fucking cruise ships? and the source engine a classic hot rod with space flight capabilities?

Time for a bunch of morons to come on and hate CoD because it's CoD.

Let me fix that for you.

Time for a bunch of reasonable people to come on and hate CoD because it's bland, boring, un-innovative, contains unlikeable characters, has terrible AI by today's standards, looks the same as all the previous games, and is ran by the only game developers more evil than EA who actually TRY to make a good game with exception to sports titles.

There you go. All better.

I'm assuming that the millions of sales result from that then?

people went to see shit movies like transformers and avatar didnt they?
the masses will buy anything if its popular.

 

[Buizel91]

Well pretty much all Porsche look the same, so i guess it's a fair comparison.

I'll probably pick this up, however it's to much of the same shit, it'll be traded in after i complete the campaign -.-