Devil's Advocate: Media Edition

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

How is he the most irresponsible superhero?

Don't ask me, I am just taking Linkara's word for it in his One More Day review.

Yeah, its amazing how much long held beliefs can get shattered when someone actually tells me what is actually the opposite.

So because somebody said so you're echoing it? You just take someone's word on it without actually figuring out whether you think it's true..? You claim something, but then when I ask how or why you say 'Don't ask me, some guy said it.' -- Please tell how I'm suppose to have a genuine discussion with you.

We can have one now by you explaining to me how Spiderman does act responsible and how right or wrong Linkara was in his statement that Spiderman is irresponsible:

https://youtu.be/dR1wQkPaYWA?t=935

And on this I can assure you we can have a discussion and I insist you watch this part of the video.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Now actually re-watching that Linkara clip, now I remember why. In a comic book issue, Peter Parker mentions he doesn't have life insurence, he's going around doing hero stuff and appearently he never considers the fact that might die by a badguy or accident in his heroeing?

That sounds pretty irresponsible.

 

[Saelune]

Uplay is a good thing. Ubisoft makes a lot of mistakes and bad choices, but Uplay is not one of them. Unlike Epic or EA, Ubisoft's own personal service is not restricted, and instead it acts as both its own service AND a way to connect virtually every Ubisoft game you own into one cross-system account! Nintendo Switch, Xbox One, 360, PS3, PS4, PC, all the same Ubisoft account. Some achievements actually even give you some usable currency to get basically free DLC, and a lot of it is actually like, real content!

Also, atleast for most of us on this site, and most gamers in general, Always Online is not really a big deal. This isn't the age of AOL. The only time Always Online is a fair issue is during blackouts, and then its only a problem if you have a system that works on its own battery.

 

[Marik2]

I never had a problem with 4Kids' anime dubs. I can see why people dislike them, but I have a better tolerance for dubs than some people. Plus, their take on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is my favorite take on the franchise (up until a certain point, anyway).

That's all I got so far...

Same.

Also, atleast for most of us on this site, and most gamers in general, Always Online is not really a big deal. This isn't the age of AOL. The only time Always Online is a fair issue is during blackouts, and then its only a problem if you have a system that works on its own battery.

The always online thing is a problem when internet providers are constantly throttling and being douchbags in general to their customers. And also, because the infrastructure is still slow in a lot of areas.

And you shouldn't have to be always online when you're playing a single player game.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

Now actually re-watching that Linkara clip, now I remember why. In a comic book issue, Peter Parker mentions he doesn't have life insurence, he's going around doing hero stuff and appearently he never considers the fact that might die by a badguy or accident in his heroeing?

That sounds pretty irresponsible.

Linkara sucks and One More Day sucks. Come up with your own opinions.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Now actually re-watching that Linkara clip, now I remember why. In a comic book issue, Peter Parker mentions he doesn't have life insurence, he's going around doing hero stuff and appearently he never considers the fact that might die by a badguy or accident in his heroeing?

That sounds pretty irresponsible.

Linkara sucks and One More Day sucks. Come up with your own opinions.

Yeah I stopped giving a damn about Linkara in recent years and only look back on his older work with nostalgia.

And One More Day indeed sucks and one of the prime examples of why I think Comic Books has gotten away with far worse shit writing and storytelling then any bad Superhero movie ever.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

The Hobbit trilogy was good. Great even. It was wonderfully shot, the acting was good, the action scenes good, and it was great seeing Gandalf and Frodo again.
It is not as good as the LoTR trilogy sure, and maybe some of the filler wasn't needed, but it is certainly one of the best trilogies made.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

The Hobbit trilogy was good. Great even. It was wonderfully shot, the acting was good, the action scenes good, and it was great seeing Gandalf and Frodo again.
It is not as good as the LoTR trilogy sure, and maybe some of the filler wasn't needed, but it is certainly one of the best trilogies made.

Its the only series of movies that I actually liked in recent years. I haven't seen a movie that wow me since then.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

The Hobbit trilogy was good. Great even. It was wonderfully shot, the acting was good, the action scenes good, and it was great seeing Gandalf and Frodo again.
It is not as good as the LoTR trilogy sure, and maybe some of the filler wasn't needed, but it is certainly one of the best trilogies made.

Its the only series of movies that I actually liked in recent years. I haven't seen a movie that wow me since then.

I get that people think it was a cash grab, splitting an 80-page story in 9 hours of movie, but I enjoyed every minute of it. I was happy to spend money for a ticket and buy them on DVD.

 

[Hawki]

Looking at this thread, I think people misunderstand what "Devil's Advocate" actually means, or simply don't care, but alright:

I don't know how contrary this opinion is but, I think that the MCU has done more harm to the movie industry (superhero movies in particular) than good, or at the very least has changed the industry in a negative way.

I'm inclined to agree. I don't blame the MCU for it per se, but it did kickstart the shared universe craze that...well, hasn't been that successful really.

Star Wars is still good (And the prequels were also mostly fine)

Ever since TFA, Star Wars is in "okay" territory for me. None of the Disney films have sunk to Phantom/Clones level, but none of them have reached Revenge level either.

Alien is still good

Agree. While we've had duds like Prometheus and Resurrection, I think Alien 3 and Covenant are criminally underrated. And I shouldn't even have to explain Alien and Aliens.

Batman v Superman was the best superhero movie ever made
Michael Bay is one of the best visual directors currently working and there's some undeniable artistic merit to what he does

Um...

The Marvel Cinematic Universe has never produced anything particularly good and at least some of the earlier movies had obvious conservative subtext

...such as?

I can maybe think of Iron Man 2, with Tony refusing to hand over his suit to the government, but that's about it.

Well...

I still think Spider-Man 2, while not a bad film, is overrated.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 is underrated.

Yeah, I said that.

The Hobbit trilogy was good. Great even. It was wonderfully shot, the acting was good, the action scenes good, and it was great seeing Gandalf and Frodo again.
It is not as good as the LoTR trilogy sure, and maybe some of the filler wasn't needed, but it is certainly one of the best trilogies made.

I agree with all of that bar "one of the best trilogies made."

I think all three Hobbit films are good - even Battle of the Five Armies, though it straddles the line between "good" and "okay." That said, I can't call it one of the best trilogies ever. It's a trilogy of competently made films that are fun, but that's about it.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

SNIP

I guess my reasoning is that there are so few actual trilogies that it'd fall into a Top 10 simply by dint of its cinematography, acting, music, etc...

 

[Marik2]

So, unpopular opinions thread for media?

 

[BrawlMan]

So, unpopular opinions thread for media?

And the thing is we already have an unpopular opinions thread that is still open. Other than the Deadpool reply, I see no other reason to go through this again.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

So, unpopular opinions thread for media?

And the thing is we already have an unpopular opinions thread that is still open. Other than the Deadpool reply, I see no other reason to go through this again.

I was actually asking people to explain their sides. A counter to the prevailing ideas, but that doesn't mean unpopular.

IE my thing with Goku. If you search [https://www.google.com/search?client=avast&q=Goku+is+a+bad+person], there are a ton of people who ignore the lore, the brain injury and how Goku has been treated. They expect an alien who's barely taught anything but fighting how to be a responsible dad and provide for his family.

I'm giving a counterargument to their complaints about Goku. It's not as simple as "I hate cheese and you should as well". That's an opinion. Something I can't prove or back up.

I can look over the entirety of Dragon Ball media (as well as you can as well) and see that while sometimes people are kind to Goku, no one ever really takes the time to bring Goku into the world as a functional adult, yet people yell at him for not being able to function like we do. I'm Advocating on Goku's behalf. If people take it as just unpopular opinions part two, I'll reword it to make it clearer that this is supposed to be actually Advocating for or against a subject.

So to sum up... to the both of you, no.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Goblin Slayer! encapsulates most everything wrong with the current animation/manga/light novel industry. It's Vampire Hunter D with worse characters, a lack of world building, a fundamental misunderstanding as to why guilds exist, and is somehow more gratuitous then, well, Vampire Hunter D.

The only thing that could make it worse is if the eponymous Slayer was some schmuck who was pulled into that world from the "real" world.

...... Did you even read the thread title? I thought most people thought this? (Admittedly I know very little about the series myself)

It's this season's "dark and edgy" anime, like Made in Abyss or Attack on Titan before it.

It's implausibly popular. I don't get it.

 

[Casual Shinji]

It's this season's "dark and edgy" anime, like Made in Abyss or Attack on Titan before it.

It's implausibly popular. I don't get it.

Unlike Made in Abyss and Attack on Titan though, this just seems to be popular due to the controversy. It got really popular over night because of that first episode, and it's pretty much been coasting on that. That or I just really don't get it. I mean, I've enjoyed my fair share of trash anime, like Highschool of the Dead, but it at least has some energy and flair to it. Goblin Slayer couldn't get any more flat if it was run over by a steamroller.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe has never produced anything particularly good and at least some of the earlier movies had obvious conservative subtext

...such as?

I can maybe think of Iron Man 2, with Tony refusing to hand over his suit to the government, but that's about it.

The first Avengers is a movie about a war profiteer, a nordic god and an american soldier from the 40s saving the world (but mostly America) from alien invaders brought there by a swarthy looking dude. There's some subtext there. It took them until... pretty much Winter Soldier to do anything remotely critical of the military industrial complex. And then there's stuff like them taking ten years to have a black lead, 11 years to have a female lead and their weird obsession with attractive blonde men named Chris.

To be fair, they have gotten better about this stuff. I went into Black Panther, expecting them to go all out on portraying nationalism positively but it actually turned out quite critical of it.

 

[Hawki]

The first Avengers is a movie about a war profiteer, a nordic god and an american soldier from the 40s saving the world (but mostly America) from alien invaders brought there by a swarthy looking dude. There's some subtext there.

"Swarthy" is defined as "dark complexioned." Which Loki isn't. He's another Nordic god. And that's hardly sub-text, that's just a mismatch of heroes from different genres fighting aliens.

It took them until... pretty much Winter Soldier to do anything remotely critical of the military industrial complex.

They were critical of it in the first Iron Man.

And then there's stuff like them taking ten years to have a black lead, 11 years to have a female lead

That's not really "conservative themes," that's just Hollywood casting and/or the nature of the comics. I can't speak for everyone, but looking at Phase 1 for instance, as someone who never collected superhero comics, I was still familiar with Iron Man, Captain America, and the Hulk. If you'd asked me about people named "Black Panther" or "Captain Marvel" however, I'd have gone "huh?"

You can lament it took the MCU that long to cast such leads if you want, but the lack of such leads is hardly "thematic."

 

[Chewster]

Both Aliens and Terminator 2 are noisy, obnoxious sequels that severely lack the charm and personality of the originals, even if they are fun.

Tarantino is a competent director but his films are generally meaningless drivel. His last really decent film was Jackie Brown.

Am I doing it right?

 

[Cicada 5]

It kinda makes sense for there to be racism and racial profiling in Zootropolis, seeing as just a few thousand years ago one race lived off eating the other. And then there's the fact that certain species are 100 times weaker/stronger than other species. Sure, maybe for a rabbit you can make an exception to join the police force, but what if a mouse wants to join or one of those sloths?

And while were at it, it makes sense in the X-Men universe too.

Staying with superheroes, the romance between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy doesn't work. Harley Quinn is too infatuated with the Joker to ever care about anyone else. If she stop caring about Joker she'd stop being Harley Quinn. And Poison Ivy hates and looks down on humans, so I doubt she'd ever get physically involved with one. They work great as a criminal duo, but lovers.. no.

Deadpool ruined Superheroes. Because of him Superheroes will never be taken seriously and will forever be stuck as always being seen as silly thus it must act silly and only silly. Because of Deadpool we got an obnoxious amount of jokes and fourth wall breaking references in every Superhero thing ever and whatever attempts at actual seriousness they try to tell their story is ruined by a quick gag that completely ruins the tension and tone.

Uuuhm, Spider-Man says hello.

Harley's own creator, Paul Dini, wrote her as being capable of getting over the Joker. And how much Ivy hates humans depends on the writer. She once made her garden a shelter to runaway children.