Devils may cry great, big, crocodile tears, but I didn't.

[Jagdedge]

Yes I was glib with the button combo, I KNOW what buttons to press. The point is in the 10 minute demo I completed every battle, and made it to the area of the big demon thingy BEFORE time ran out, all while pressing two buttons during combat. If all I need to do to progress to the bosses is press two buttons, yes, it is a button masher. I couldn't beat, Belial?, until I began utilizing and needlessly excessively pressing of the L trigger to power my sword up. How does this not sound like a button masher to any of you?
If a beat'em up game can be progressed easily through the mashing of buttons, and sometimes the occasional pressing of another button in combination with the previous button, it is then, a button masher. See Soul Calibur 3.

I guess your argument holds some water. You know, as long as you ignore the fact that the demo's difficulty was lowered and in this lower difficulty, enemies don't really do anything but shove their thumbs up their asses.

It's kind of funny that you use Soul Calibur 3 as an example. If you play another person who has any experience with the game, you'll get your ass stomped on if you just button mash... Everyone knows fighters are primarily made with human vs human games in mind.

 

[Akorn]

To anyone who found it button mashy and decided that they were glad not have played any of the previous games:
The only DMC I have plaed is the third one and I became an instant fanboy of it. I then noticed that some reviews gave it low scores for being too hard. The people who wrote these reviews thought it was button mashy because they had not learned how to play the game properly. Perhaps DMC 4 is different, or perhaps you are playing it on the easy modes, but I my fanboyism kicked in and I just had to protect DMC 3.

 

[Jagdedge]

With the exception of DoA, I've found every fighting game's AI to be dumber than shit on a stick. Then, when they decide to ramp up the difficulty, the AI just counters everything. *sigh*

I'm sure you'll agree that when you play against people who button mash, you ground their asses into a fine powder, right?

 

[Necrith]

Well, i just finished the game.
Overall, fun to whats, not Manny / non boring parts in the game that really made me want to trow my controller down and get back to my life called wow.

BUT, what i hated was the fact that nero dint get ANY new weapons.
So here you are playing for 20 missions or so, and 3/4 of them can be Dante.
and in that time, you just run to the back of a lvl you already did, in a short time, and kill a boss to get a new weapon.
Dante did get some kick ass new stuff, but the time you get to try them out is so miner, that by the time i found out how a weapon worked, i got switst back to Nero.

I just toughed to myself, lets see if i can play the game again, and see what else there is to unlock.
in DMC you could unlock a number if extra outfits, and some super weapons.
here, you get to unlock a new difficulty, and at the end, the costume "super dante/nero"whits is basically just them Turing into demons super.
woeptie freaking do, what happened to all the fun stuff to unlock?
I have not played the game sins, because there is nothing of a reward to do so.

 

[tiredinnuendo]

I just finished the game, and I have a few questions for those more versed in DMC.

NOTE! MY QUESTIONS WILL BE SPOILER-ISH, THOUGH IF YOU REALLY COULDN'T GUESS HOW THE PLOT WOULD GO, GOD HELP YOU.

1) Nero is a descendant of Sparda? I thought Sparda died shortly after siring Dante and Virgil, who are *much* older than Nero. Did I miss something here?
2) Wikipedia (which, true, is not always correct) mentions that Nero was not born with his arm like that, but right at the end, he has a one-sided conversation with God where he says something that implied to me that he'd always had it.

... I had more questions, but then I realized that about half of the game didn't really make any sense, and was mostly just an excuse to show off how badass it is to have white hair. Those two are the main ones I didn't get.

END SPOILER.

- J

 

[Unholykrumpet]

Truthfully, if you see DMC games as button mashers, you probably won't like Ninja Gaiden 2. Overall, I love DMC's focus on style and marvelous cutscenes. Unfortunately, they were kind of harsh on players that haven't played the DMC games before when it comes to story line, so yes, DMC4 left holes...probably intentional...but holes none the less. Also, the amount of which a player button mashes depends on how into the whole "stylish" aspect they are. In Dante Must Die mode...it's very hard to button mash, can't put it any nicer. I button mashed my way through devil hunter...and even some in Son of Sparda...but I couldn't get through the TUTORIAL of DMD mode (the first Dante fight) until I had a serious plan going. When Dante can trap you in a stinger/million stab/high roller and fill you with an unnatural dose of pink needles/gilgamesh you in the face...you are going to die...a lot (thankfully, this only happened to me in the 2nd dante fight). Course, not everyone is expected (or, frankly, encouraged) to go all the way to Dante Must Die mode...it just depends on how much you enjoy harder difficulties.

 

[zombielifecoach]

All I know is that that friggin' Savior battle when you're hopping from floating ledge thingy to floating ledge thingy, shooting at those stupid crystals thingies, made me want to eject the disc and snap it in half. Then I remembered how hard it is to break a disc, so I just held the disc in my hands, and glared at it for a solid 5 minutes, before reloading and finishing the game. Seriously, I GET the battle had to be epic in scale, but the targeting reticle combined with the poor camera angles made for some serious frustration. All in all though, I enjoyed the game. It was all that I enjoy about the series. I also enjoyed playing with Nero, more than Dante. I truly hope we see him 'mature' as a character like Dante. There is lots of potential for the devilbringer.

 

[Jagdedge]

A game shouldn't be about higher difficulties. If you can only get the true immersion and point of a game from playing the highest difficulty, than it is my beleif that the developers have failed.

The thing is, when Capcom made the game easier, as in DMC2, people everywhere bitched about it being too easy. When Capcom cranked up the difficulty in DMC3, everyone complained that they died too much and it was too hard. They bring the difficulty back down, and everyone's moaning again. Devil May Cry is meant to be hard. Games like it and Ninja Gaiden crank up the difficulty so it doesn't become a button masher. However, it's hard to keep it like this when everyone and their grandmother is sending them complaints and every reviewer, who can't play games worth shit and are only in it for the money, starts flinging poo about because they suck too much to step up to DMC's required skill.

The later difficulties demonstrates the way Devil May Cry is supposed to be played. The earlier difficulties are there so people can't moan and piss about how hard it is. I suppose it fails in the sense that you don't find enjoyment in the default difficulties, but I'm almost positive that you would have bashed it for being too hard if it swung that way.

If you want to just mash the same button over and over again just because it advances you further in the game, I guess that's your choice. I'm guessing that you also would skip all the dialogue in Mass Effect too, right? You'd also load up your own MP3 player and boot up Rez, am I right? You don't care for the experience, you only want to advance forward in the game. Not my problem.

Note: This isn't aimed specifically at you Necro, it's for a lot of people who say the same things.

Tiredinnuendo, the plot holes are giant and frequent. The plot sucks. Plain and simple. It's merely a device to explain why you're in this new area and why you're fighting this giant creature at this point in time. The story doesn't really mean much to those who enjoy DMC, I would suppose. It's not really focused on that. Slick combat and stylish cutscenes is the name of the game.

Necrith, I could barely make out what you were saying, but I have to agree with part of it. Yes, the player couldn't really connect with Dante's playing style because the brevity of his part in the story. Erm, you're unlockable argument is weak though. I'm not saying the unlockables aren't a letdown, I said as much in the review. It's just saying that the previous unlockables were better is a littl stupid. There were no super weapons if I remember right. Could be, don't remember. The unlockables have remained pretty much the same.



And... done.

 

[Shinkada]

Nice review, though you were way too nice. Dante only having 3 melee weapons was a slap in the face to anyone who touched DMC3, let alone the Special Edition. And the game was far too easy. Dante Must Die was an absolute cakewalk compared to DMC3's DMD. There's always Hell and Hell mode, but that's just a BIT too much IMO.

As for the button masher argument... Rank. That's it. There's your incentive to play better. And the harder difficulties. If you keep mashing buttons, you will continue to get D-C ranks, and you will get annihilated the moment you step away from Devil Hunter difficulty. Have you even SEEN a SSS combo?

Yeah. You can button mash in Soul Calibur. Then when someone who knows what he's doing fights you, he'll hand your ass to you on a platter. Good luck beating a good Nightmare or Cervantes player with mashing. Protip: It won't work.

So many games can be crap if you don't try. Look at Oblivion. Mass Effect. Assassin's Creed. God of War.

Try having Red Queen permanently revved, and being able to MAX-Act about 1/5 attacks or more. Try holding a constant SSS rank against one of the bosses. Try, for the love of all the gods, beating Bloody Palace with an S-Rank.

Treat the game like a button masher, and the game becomes boring. Stupid. The awesomely complex fighting system is gone, replaced with tedium, and you lose out on a great gaming experience. That's your loss, not ours.

EDIT: Jagdedge, beautiful post, couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[YukariKaito]

I admit to be a Devil May Cry fanboy, and I admit to love Devil May Cry series, but with all these plot whiners will you PLEASE play previous Devil May Cry games first? If you are going to whine about plot, please make sure you play through and understand the stories of the previous games first.

Would you read, say, he Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers novel, and claiming to know the whole storyline of Lord of the Rings? And lament on you not understanding the story on the book being sucky?

No one would, in fact, everyone will HATE you for that. Devil May Cry is great (except for 2) and 4 is currently being played. For those that wants to see how Devil May Cry is really supposed to be played,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_RdUPNg6k

Its not blatant advertisement, and its not mine, I just respect him for the way he plays, and is amazed at how he plays the game to such an extent.

If you can smoothly chain out these combos before making a review, I think you would understand that Devil May Cry is NOT a button mashing game.

 

[Kaisharga]

Aghblkwtldnab;lnk

Okay, so you buttonmashed the game. Great for you! I'm proud. Really. But.

We don't CARE that you buttonmashed through the parts you played. We don't even care that you CAN. We know you can. Sometimes all of us do. And if that's your preferred strategy, that's a valid choice (although I think we've all agreed it's a boring one).

The part that we like is that you don't have to, that you have options, and can mix it up. We play games like God of War and Ninja Gaiden and other games that let you, but don't necessarily force you to, explore the full depth of the combat system--and reward you for it. If you're not into that? That's fine. But the DMC series is not for you if that's the case, because this game IS combat. It is like if the PS2 Castlevania games were way over the top, or if Ninja Gaiden was more about looking sweet and less about dotting your i's and crossing your t's.

While I'm at it, let me establish a couple points.

Button mashing is not an insult. Stop using it as a pejorative.
Being a fanboy is perfectly fine, and can be fun. Stop using the word to badmouth people.
Providing a reason and rationale is not the same as flimsy justification. Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean their opinions are not well-founded. Please try to respect that.

 

[YukariKaito]

Aghblkwtldnab;lnk

Okay, so you buttonmashed the game. Great for you! I'm proud. Really. But.

We don't CARE that you buttonmashed through the parts you played. We don't even care that you CAN. We know you can. Sometimes all of us do. And if that's your preferred strategy, that's a valid choice (although I think we've all agreed it's a boring one).

The part that we like is that you don't have to, that you have options, and can mix it up. We play games like God of War and Ninja Gaiden and other games that let you, but don't necessarily force you to, explore the full depth of the combat system--and reward you for it. If you're not into that? That's fine. But the DMC series is not for you if that's the case, because this game IS combat. It is like if the PS2 Castlevania games were way over the top, or if Ninja Gaiden was more about looking sweet and less about dotting your i's and crossing your t's.

While I'm at it, let me establish a couple points.

Button mashing is not an insult. Stop using it as a pejorative.
Being a fanboy is perfectly fine, and can be fun. Stop using the word to badmouth people.
Providing a reason and rationale is not the same as flimsy justification. Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean their opinions are not well-founded. Please try to respect that.

Hear hear, its been hard to comment on a Japanese game well without being shot down after a while with the reason "You're a fanboy, nothing you say is good." And the thing about DMC being a button mash was possibly because you didn't play DMC3.

I heard they tuned down the difficulty for DMC4, so its logical that button mashing is actually an alternative way to playing the game well.

This game is about timing, style, variety of attacks and taunting. Especially the taunting, I find it hard to get an SSS rank without taunting. So try it.