Devin Faraci on what is driving the #gamergate gamers

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firebobm173

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http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/31/why-i-feel-bad-for-and-understand-the-angry-gamergate-gamers/
I was wondering what you guys think about this article. I believe he is being really insightful in the article, and while he has been quite incendiary about this issue so far, I think he is being quite empathetic and honest here. What do you guys think?
 

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You know, the real problem with this entire debacle is the name Gamergate.

I mean, come on, they could have come up with something at least a little original. XD
 

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Well, Baldwin started the #Tag but not really. It keeps going because the Pro Corruption side keep feeding the people on there more ammunition to use. Also this is amusing: [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/link]

Also the article is from a person who said Gamers are worse than ISIS and later compared us to the KKK and the Confederacy. He's also been shown not to give a crap when people ask to be kept anonymous when giving him leaks.
 

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Scoured the article for an apology to the deceased James Foley's family for the ISIS comment. Didn't see one.

Its nice that he's calmed down now, but he could set a powerful example by being the first to take some responsibility for his horrid comments.
 

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vallorn said:
Well, Baldwin started the #Tag but not really. It keeps going because the Pro Corruption side keep feeding the people on there more ammunition to use. Also this is amusing: [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/link]

Also the article is from a person who said Gamers are worse than ISIS and later compared us to the KKK and the Confederacy. He's also been shown not to give a crap when people ask to be kept anonymous when giving him leaks.
He also state clearly at the top of the article that he is a shitty person who does shitty things, so hey, at least he is full disclosure.
 

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Colour Scientist said:
You know, the real problem with this entire debacle is the name Gamergate.

I mean, come on, they could have come up with something at least a little original. XD
Good to know I'm not the only one thinking this.

Truth be told, when I first heard about the #gamergate thing, I spent a day thinking it was somehow related to the website gamersgate.com. It was a very confusing day, to say the least.

OT: I can't take this guy seriously anymore after the whole "y'all are worse than TURRORISTS!" tweets. He says childish stuff like that then yells at other people for being childish? Then expects people to take him seriously? Sorry bud, doesn't work that way.
 

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vallorn said:
Well, Baldwin started the #Tag but not really. It keeps going because the Pro Corruption side keep feeding the people on there more ammunition to use. Also this is amusing: [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/link]

Also the article is from a person who said Gamers are worse than ISIS and later compared us to the KKK and the Confederacy. He's also been shown not to give a crap when people ask to be kept anonymous when giving him leaks.
So one guy said something stupid and it means a whole bunch eh? Well I've seen a poster compare indies/games media to the KKK, and another to the Nazis. What does that mean in regards to you?
 

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Edit: was a little too harsh

Eh screw the guy, I think he plays the asshole card a bit too much, best just to ignore.
 

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Rozalia1 said:
vallorn said:
Well, Baldwin started the #Tag but not really. It keeps going because the Pro Corruption side keep feeding the people on there more ammunition to use. Also this is amusing: [link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate[/link]

Also the article is from a person who said Gamers are worse than ISIS and later compared us to the KKK and the Confederacy. He's also been shown not to give a crap when people ask to be kept anonymous when giving him leaks.
So one guy said something stupid and it means a whole bunch eh? Well I've seen a poster compare indies/games media to the KKK, and another to the Nazis. What does that mean in regards to you?
It means nothing in regard to me only that that poster is a hotheaded idiot.

Look I don't care whether people are Pro Gamer or Pro Corruption or whatever but I do agree with some people who say that ALL harassment and name calling should stop. I see the people who agree with Farici just denounce me as a Cis (I'm genderfluid) straight (Bisexual with a steady boyfriend) male (Ok fair enough), call me a misogynist for no reason then block me so I can't argue back.

It's horrible and it's the kind of behavior that the gaming media is encouraging with their attitude towards this whole thing and their reporters and journalists and critics like Moviebob being allowed to spew vicious, hateful bile at people on Twitter for days.

Oh, also someone who made fun of Anita (an asian girl who uses the username Jay3dFox) got Doxxed by a Pro Corruption person and got harassed over the phone causing her to take days off of her internet, close down he methods of funding (because she's not some coward trying to profit off of being abused) and release a long video explaining everything and downright breaking down in tears.

HOWEVER! I'm a fan of William of Ockham's philosophies that we are a group of individuals with things in common and to group us together adds nothing but simply takes away detail. To demonize either side is immoral and should be decried just as much as the people who Doxx and harass individuals. Anyone who throws stupid statements about SJWs or Misogynists should be challenged and anyone who sends threats to anyone should be reported to the relevant authorities.

(Wow this sort of got away from me while I was writing, my apologies.)
 

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He's feeling the White Man's Burden far too heavily. Video games became popularized after the Vietnam War, the point at which it became clear that European culture and by extension the white man's United States was not going to save the world. It's no coincidence that this was the point at which REAL LIFE attempts to save the world became VIRTUAL attempts to pretend to save the world, ushered in by Dungeons and Dragons and finding imitation in by now thousands of video games.

This is the core of the frustration that white American males (and other Western males to a lesser extent) feel in their lives. The culture that has largely defined the modern world, THEIR culture, is the very one that's killing it. Instead of dealing with that on an emotional and psychological level the "solution" is instead to create video games that offer the illusion of success. The REAL attempt to save the world is sublimated into a virtual illusion, with the gamer FEELING good by means of "saving the world".

This problematic approach not only lays the groundwork for fascism, that's barely a blip on the radar compared to the far more serious issue of the second part of the ideology of games - saving the world, *one corpse at a time*. In a world projected to have 500 million humans left alive in 2100, and the Western world, that is to say the gaming world being in the best position to comprise most of that 500 million, the vast majority of the rest of the world's population needs to die by 2100. Gaming as it exists now is a *metaphor* for the reality of the 21st century, with the "superpowered and glorified super-special hero" hacking apart "monsters", shotgunning zombies in the head, blowing away enemy soldiers.

The final result of a video game is a world filled with "500 million civilized people" who are alive, and "6.7 billion monsters" who are dead.

When soldiers dominate a country they demonize and dehumanize the population, to ease the cause of domination - after the domination is complete and the soldiers leave the population REVERTS to human.

As Jack Vance wrote The Dying Earth and climate scientists began confirming the approaching death of the species, people began preparing subconsciously - the more powerful humans prepared not to save the world but to make sure they would be the last to die. To make sure they would be among the 500 million.

In video games it often seems like one has entered a kind of nightmare world filled with monsters or a dangerous world filled with enemy soldiers. But rather than despair or check one's psychological or moral condition for psychosis, the gamer is taught to take the game's premise on faith - yep, those are really monsters that need killing and you are really an awesome person who must take on the noble heroic duty of mass murder. One is saving the world, one corpse at a time, never asking just what the hell is going on - there's hardly a need to really know what's going on when the primary purpose of the game is establishing a "save the few, kill the many" ideology for the 21st century.

A few games and game critics have attempted to subvert this by inverting it - the protagonist is actually the villain and the "monsters" are actually just victims. But nobody has yet gotten it right - the protagonist is playing God - deciding who lives and who dies - defining WHO is among the 500 million "noble humans" and WHO is among the 6.7 billion "monsters".

It's not really "Heart of Darkness", is it? It's much more like King of the Hill, Highlander, or Ten Little Indians.

How about a game where everyone begins as human, and the gamer can decide WHO is a monster - as he makes his decision the "monster" is transformed from human to monster *in the eyes of the gamer*. But the game then gives the player a choice - he can transfer his control from the original protagonist into the being that has just been transformed. This being views itself as human, and because of the hostility of the original protagonist toward him he's more likely to transform the original protagonist into a monster.

But there's a further choice given to the gamer - the choice of whether or not to transform anyone. However, just as in the real world of the 21st century, if noone is transformed into a monster it means that the inevitable death of creatures are going to be deaths of human beings, not monsters.

If lots of people are transformed into monsters the game plays out traditionally - monsters vs. hero. But if noone is transformed into a monster the game is completely different - the battle instead is against the death of the world itself, with all human beings uniting to fight to save the world.

Needless to say this makes for a very interesting replay. How does it feel for everyone to fight to save the world but still having 2 billion people die, which because they weren't transformed into monsters have to be lamented as dead humans, compared to the feeling of killing 6.7 billion monsters and allowing the 500 million noble humans to live a little longer, maybe even buy themselves enough time to escape the earth and colonize space?

That could be quite an interesting game. Oh wait... is this a game I'm talking about?
 

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firebobm173 said:
http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/31/why-i-feel-bad-for-and-understand-the-angry-gamergate-gamers/
I was wondering what you guys think about this article. I believe he is being really insightful in the article, and while he has been quite incendiary about this issue so far, I think he is being quite empathetic and honest here. What do you guys think?
Edit: This post has been edited to hell and back, but the primary point remains the same. The only thing I forgot to include was this: Call out the tiny minority on both sides that are harassing others. But recognize that they are an EXTREMELY small minority, which this author appears to both conflate and, worse, attribute to only one side (the pro-gamer side). Now then, the (mostly) original post:

To quote someone far better than me:

That [article] is bad and [the writer] should feel bad.

It's an extremely biased AND strawmanned article. For one thing, he can't seem to decide whether he's writing against solely the actually misogynistic haters or gamers as a whole. The entire issue with GamerGate is journalistic integrity (or rather, the complete lack of). And to call it a conspiracy shows, rather ironically, that HE is the ignorant one.

I'll highlight this next part in bold, because it's arguably the most important point that is continually argued by many on the, as someone nicely called it, pro-corruption side, despite it being a complete and utter lie: GENDER WAS NEVER, EVER, THE ISSUE. It was nothing but a mask to divert attention from journalism, etc.

I really don't even know where to begin to state the issues with this article, so, instead, I'll show some pretty undeniable proof that Anita's parent company is committing criminal activity alongside the Independent Gaming Festival, of which Zoe's ex-lover is involved with. Boy this rabbit hole goes deep. It has the bonus of showing just how many websites, including The Escapist, are complacent in this as well:


This is a new level that the original Quinnspiracy didn't even come close to breaching.
 

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Can't say I'm fond of it; maybe he thinks he's being apologetic, but all I see is a big fish in a small pond talking down to his audience.

I'm getting increasingly sick of the white male privilege argument, because it's often just used as a cudgel to silence criticism. Aside from the obvious hypocrisy (I'm a white male but I admit it so it's okay, and let's not even begin to touch on how daft that is), it illustrates profound lack of understanding of what's going on. Not every critic of Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian is a misogynist, or white, or even male. Maybe most of them are, but people have a habit of selective perception when it comes to people they disagree with. It's like a climate denialist pointing to the raving homeless man chanting that the end is nigh while conveniently ignoring the actual climate researchers with scientific evidence.

By all means, call out the harassers, the abusers, the victim-blamers, the censors and the dishonest (on both sides; if someone is on your side, it's just as important that you don't allow them to screw up because it will reflect poorly by association), but don't generalise individuals based on demographics. Considering the ultimate ideal of equality is to create a non-prejudiced society where race, age, gender, etc. is irrelevant, simply reversing your prejudice from minorities to majorities is hypocritical at best, and backwards at worst for any progressive person.
 

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vallorn said:
It means nothing in regard to me only that that poster is a hotheaded idiot.
Exactly, now why can't it not be applied here?
If you paint a "group" with a paintbrush, you can also be "grouped" and painted too.
 

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Rozalia1 said:
vallorn said:
It means nothing in regard to me only that that poster is a hotheaded idiot.
Exactly, now why can't it not be applied here?
If you paint a "group" with a paintbrush, you can also be "grouped" and painted too.
Did you even read my post? I said that for both sides it was a matter of awful individuals screaming at each other and drowning out any chance at rational discourse.
 

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chadachada123 said:
It's Youtube= and then everything after the v= in the address bar. I fixed it here for you if you want to quote this to get a good idea of how youtube embedding works.
 

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vallorn said:
chadachada123 said:
It's Youtube= and then everything after the v= in the address bar. I fixed it here for you if you want to quote this to get a good idea of how youtube embedding works.
Thanks, it's been a long time since I've done any embedding here.
 

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I don't think he's talking about all gamers. Does he have to specify specifically which gamers he's talking about every time he posts?

He's tried to apologize, even. Can't we all just get along?
 

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Racecarlock said:
I don't think he's talking about all gamers. Does he have to specify specifically which gamers he's talking about every time he posts?

He's tried to apologize, even. Can't we all just get along?
The problem is that they don't want him to apologize, they want him to agree with them.