Devin Faraci on what is driving the #gamergate gamers

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Spushkin

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What can I tell you guys, the moment he started on punk and mosh pits, he got me. I am totally pro-Faraci now.
 

Fireaxe

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briankoontz said:
This is the core of the frustration that white American males (and other Western males to a lesser extent) feel in their lives. The culture that has largely defined the modern world, THEIR culture, is the very one that's killing it.
Putting aside for a moment the trouble with the idea that "saving the world" narratives is recent when they have existed for centuries in story and song, the world is largely fine and the 500 million humans alive in 2100 is a load.

Perhaps the world is becoming overpopulated with people (especially if you assume the birth rates don't drop when medicine becomes more commonplace in impoverished countries.. but they do) due to the advances in medical science and agriculture, but peaks and troughs of population have happened before and will happen again.
 

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Put everyone who doesn't agree with you in a box. Put labels on that box like "15 years old" and "sexually frustrated and inexperienced". Justify your dismissal of everything they say solely on the basis of the labels you put on the box.

I am glad that Faraci calmed down enough to stop equating anyone who disagrees with him to terrorists and suicide bombers. I really do think this is him being empathetic and honest. He is even speaking in a reasonable tone. But that doesn't mean he is being actually reasonable and it doesn't mean that he is right.
 

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LOL. This is the guy who said gamers were worse than ISIS, threatened IP bans to people who called him out on his articles, and has proudly displayed his bias in this situation. Apparently his idea of trying to be empathetic towards the people he has spent the last week or so insulting is to just be a condescending asshole. He still seems to think there is something wrong with "gamers" when his anger should be directed at people actually harassing others. Which is to say barely anyone at all. Its seems like he has just bundled anyone who might possibly disagree with him as a internet loser and misogynist. That tends to piss people off that didn't even care about this in the first place.
 

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That's an apology?! It generalizes, isn't reflective of the truth of the matter at all and it's just plain condescending. I tried looking for anything that absolved him of his insults, but every single thing I found merely compounded his guilt. He threatened people, said some should kill themselves. No, this is hypocrisy of the highest order. Any supposed progressive who is capable of engaging in such double speak is a sham.

EDIT: The behavior of the supposed "leftists and progressives" in the first week is why I've broken with them. They do not deserve to call themselves that, when they resort to low tactics. You do not harass others and then act so self-righteous about it.

Should have known that he's still some kid still hung up on his experience in secondary school.
 

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firebobm173 said:
http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/31/why-i-feel-bad-for-and-understand-the-angry-gamergate-gamers/
I was wondering what you guys think about this article. I believe he is being really insightful in the article, and while he has been quite incendiary about this issue so far, I think he is being quite empathetic and honest here. What do you guys think?
Devin's the sort of shit who 'apologies', then turns round and tweets this:-

Bummed I bowed out of GamerGate because I just thought of A GREAT TROLL TACTIC.
https://twitter.com/devincf/status/506643595114205184

(BTW what's the code that allows you to embed tweets?)
 

Something Amyss

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So is Devin Faraci going to be the next celebrity we as a community create out of our hatred for him? Because it looks like now all eyes are on him.

Colour Scientist said:
I mean, come on, they could have come up with something at least a little original. XD
Unfortunately, (Word)gate is the go-to for pretty much every scandal. Or "scandal," as the case may be.

vallorn said:
Also the article is from a person who said Gamers are worse than ISIS and later compared us to the KKK and the Confederacy. He's also been shown not to give a crap when people ask to be kept anonymous when giving him leaks.
Who's this "us" you're talking about? The guy had been talking about gamers who hate women and use terrorist tactics (threats of violence, bomb threats). Taken out of context, those lines look awful, but reasonably, we should be able to take his meaning.

Have you threatened anyone, either personally or by calling in a bomb on a plane? If not, maybe it's time to stop voluntarily lumping yourself in with them. Personally, I would hope that we could, as a community, say that things like doxing and threats and SWATting are bad, instead of circling the wagons around them because after 3+ days of back and forth a guy got lazy and was taken out of context.
 

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Man, imagine if he'd said all this FIRST.

I mean, to the people he's writing about it wouldn't have mattered, but he'd have looked a lot better to everyone else.
 

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Fireaxe said:
Putting aside for a moment the trouble with the idea that "saving the world" narratives is recent when they have existed for centuries in story and song, the world is largely fine and the 500 million humans alive in 2100 is a load.

Perhaps the world is becoming overpopulated with people (especially if you assume the birth rates don't drop when medicine becomes more commonplace in impoverished countries.. but they do) due to the advances in medical science and agriculture, but peaks and troughs of population have happened before and will happen again.
Rather than argue with me, you could argue with any of the 97.1% of climate scientists who understand that global warming is largely a man-made phenomenon. This issue is not some kind of natural cyclical event as you are proposing.

But if you really feel like you know something that climate scientists don't, then just produce the data and climate scientists will receive the benefit, and that benefit will then help us regular people as well.
 

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Colour Scientist said:
You know, the real problem with this entire debacle is the name Gamergate.

I mean, come on, they could have come up with something at least a little original. XD
I've always thought that if there's a controversy involving water, the naming people are gonna be screwed. What will they call it? Watergatenonotthatone?

Or even worse, if there's another controversy involving the Watergate hotel. Maybe they change the pillow manufacturer and the patrons don't like the new pillows. That would have to be Watergategate I guess?
 

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briankoontz said:
Fireaxe said:
Putting aside for a moment the trouble with the idea that "saving the world" narratives is recent when they have existed for centuries in story and song, the world is largely fine and the 500 million humans alive in 2100 is a load.

Perhaps the world is becoming overpopulated with people (especially if you assume the birth rates don't drop when medicine becomes more commonplace in impoverished countries.. but they do) due to the advances in medical science and agriculture, but peaks and troughs of population have happened before and will happen again.
Rather than argue with me, you could argue with any of the 97.1% of climate scientists who understand that global warming is largely a man-made phenomenon. This issue is not some kind of natural cyclical event as you are proposing.

But if you really feel like you know something that climate scientists don't, then just produce the data and climate scientists will receive the benefit, and that benefit will then help us regular people as well.
Global warming is not predicted to reduce the human population to pre-renaissance levels.
 

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Colour Scientist said:
You know, the real problem with this entire debacle is the name Gamergate.

I mean, come on, they could have come up with something at least a little original. XD
its kinda sad because there's online digital distributor of PC games called gamersgate. They have no DRM and usually have great sales. But now their name is tarnished by this terrible fiasco.
 

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I've read a lot of ridiculous things today, then I read someone use the term pro-corruption. We have a winner.



#Gamerghazi
 

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bobleponge said:
Seriously, regardless of your opinion of Devin, check out Film Crit Hulk. Best film writer on the internet right now, and he's really good at explaining why and how stories work.
It's too bad he's hitched his star to the asshole Devin's website, think I might have to use DoNotLink for any future Hulk articles.
 

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chadachada123 said:
GENDER WAS NEVER, EVER, THE ISSUE.
I wouldn't go that far.

Yes, there's some serious concern to be had over the current state of games journalism, and a lot of people (including myself [http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s5vs81]) taking part in this whole thing are concerned with the potential corruption of the industry.

Other people have been misogynistic as fuck. And that means that, yes, the same gender issues we've been debating for years are going to be dragged into the debate - because one of the two reasons this caught fire was that it was a chance to humiliate a woman seen as a "social justice warrior."

Gender was never THE sole issue at hand. But it's got to be part of the discussion, because attempting to ignore it or pretend that it wasn't one of the two reasons this exploded only gives ammunition to the people attempting to discredit criticism of games journalism. There's room to discuss the gender problem on the side - we just need to separate discussion of it from the journalism ethics question first.
 

firebobm173

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He's in charge of http://badassdigest.com/ and has been very vocal about the whole gamergate thing on twitter. He and moviebob really got into that twitter war.