OT: I'm not buying the game anyways, I couldn't run it if I tried.
Cookie for you referencing the Princess Bride.Dragonsoulq said:
Diablo 3 no offline reasoning summarized by Penny Arcade
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Yes.SteelStallion said:
If it were a one-time thing it wouldn't be a big problem, but I, like most people who live where I do, don't have always-on highspeed internet.
I don't care about the auction house thing, but I won't be buying the game because it'll be effectively unplayable for me. It's a shame, since I was really looking forward to it.
Well if you slogged all the way though single player I suppose you deserve a prize of some kind. The assumption that you played D2 multiplayer is logical since the game basically sucks otherwise.
Would you play WOW offline? No you wouldnt. But if you honestly answer yes to that question then I have no argument.
But for the sake of argument even if you DID want to play offline did you turn off your internet when you did so? How did you post on these forums? seriously just make a game and put a password on it and you have replicated the experience.
No, it isn't out of context. Just differing opinions. Gabe (the artist) has an opinion resembling that of the comic, Tycho (the writer) is the source of the quote in the OP.TsunamiWombat said:What I find most amusing is your taking a quote from that comic out of context. Here's the actual comic in question.
I'll just leave this here.
No, it's not logical. It's you applying your completely subjective opinion to the entire D2 player-base at large. Since I bought the game years ago, I've probably clocked 2000 hours in it. Total time played online: Less than 3 hours.darkcommanderq said:
Not everyone likes playing with other people. Reasons vary, but mine is a combination of the Wizard's First Rule ("People are Stupid") and The Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory. D2 was no exception.
You already have no argument, since it's been pointed out to you and people making the same stupid comparison at least two dozen times in this thread: Diablo 3 is NOT AN MMO.
Have you heard of this great new technology. They're called "laptops" or "notebook computers." You can actually carry them with you, and they use these fancy little doodads called "batteries." You can actually use them without plugging them in! Can you imagine that?
Can someone post that facepalm pic, please?
Am I seriously one of the few people who has a DSL connection? Because honestly, I may not get the greatest speeds in the world, but I rarely ever get randomly kicked offline. Sometimes I get bumps or burps, but those are exceedingly rare, and they don't even typically kick me off of other always online games like World of Warcraft.
If you don't have a steady internet connection, you should be bitching and ripping a new one out of your ISP, not complaining about it to game developers.
Are there other problems with an always online mode? Sure, there's now offline single player. No way to play when you have no connection at all (laptop, ISP doing maintenance, etc). Was it inevitable that Blizzard was going to do this in an attempt to make certain no one can duplicate items and then put them on the auction house to totally screw with prices? Yeah, I'm fairly certain it was.
Now, I know what you're saying. "But they could have disabled trading and auction housing on those accounts!" And yet I hear you all saying that the hackers are going to crack their way into playing Diablo 3 offline... so who's to say they wouldn't be able to figure out how to get duped items from an offline mode onto the auction houses regardless of the restrictions Blizzard puts on them?
All in all, Blizzard is trying to take steps to cover their own asses, and make certain that they make a profit (leik omigosh, a business making a profit! How scandalous!), as well as trying to make certain hackers don't completely screw the auction house over for non-hacking players.
If you don't have a steady internet connection, you should be bitching and ripping a new one out of your ISP, not complaining about it to game developers.
Are there other problems with an always online mode? Sure, there's now offline single player. No way to play when you have no connection at all (laptop, ISP doing maintenance, etc). Was it inevitable that Blizzard was going to do this in an attempt to make certain no one can duplicate items and then put them on the auction house to totally screw with prices? Yeah, I'm fairly certain it was.
Now, I know what you're saying. "But they could have disabled trading and auction housing on those accounts!" And yet I hear you all saying that the hackers are going to crack their way into playing Diablo 3 offline... so who's to say they wouldn't be able to figure out how to get duped items from an offline mode onto the auction houses regardless of the restrictions Blizzard puts on them?
All in all, Blizzard is trying to take steps to cover their own asses, and make certain that they make a profit (leik omigosh, a business making a profit! How scandalous!), as well as trying to make certain hackers don't completely screw the auction house over for non-hacking players.
They did pretty good at keeping offline accounts from getting online in D2 (duping on online characters is a different matter, which would not be fixed by this stupid requirement), so yeah, I'd say that's pretty good support for the school that thinks that method would work.Alar said:
I hope to god Torchlight holds a candle since the people who made diablo made torchlightdarkcommanderq said:
I'm not so sure Blizzard is intentionally worsening their products (implicitly by doing less work) to ensure a higher profit. The old version of Diablo 3 probably wouldn't have been scrapped if they thought they could get away with it. Besides, the Call of Duty series has been declining in quality for different reasons.Vakz said:
Apples and oranges. Just saying.
Also don't forget if hackers take down Blizzard's servers like they did with Ubisoft's then you can't play the game unless you cracked it.
For all intensive purposes the diablo series is an MMO in the sense that its game play has been copied into what you would consider modern MMO gameplay. So fine Ill agree that Diablo in and of itself is not an MMO, but its gameplay created them. You either have 2 options.
-Grind
-PVP (online only)
-Trade (online only)
So yeah im trying to give people credit because id like to believe that people are interested in games for more than just grinding mobs into dust.
Yeah and you know whats inside of every laptop? A WIFI CARD!!!! You know whats common place on college campuses and most cities / villages, OPEN NETWORKS!!!! Imagine that?
I know putting a password is not the exact same thing as playing offline, but as for arguments with lag? Lag has been a constant problem in internet gaming since forever. If you are playing by yourself in your own instance however the effect will be virtually nonexistent. Take SC2 for example. Have you ever had lag in any of the single player challenges or vs bots? I have not. I would suspect that bnet is continually being upgraded to account for estimated traffic loads.
From my point of view, Diablo 3 is kind of the line in the sand. How much are we really willing to give up?
Starcraft II was sold as an eSports title, with a focus on it's multiplayer. This doesn't excuse the talking abortion that was it's single player component, but that's for a another thread. The OnLine requirement didn't really impact the vast majority of players. It would be like complaining that Counter-Strike requires an internet connection, at least from my point of view.
Diablo, however, has always been a single player game. And Blizzard are attempting to shift the focus entirely to its multiplayer component, however this isn't to the benefit of the game - it's make it's online economy work.
Diablo 3 isn't being built with Co-Op gameplay in mind; 'team work' here is merely 'more damage'. The Hack 'n Slash isn't being changed at a core level to really make deep team work necessary; you jump in, kill mosters, and jump out. No voice chat needed, no plan required.
The only reason the game will feature an 'online only' label is because Blizzard want to ensure your chances of interacting with the online community - and thus drive the Auction House Economy - are as high as they can make it, without making the game an MMO where player interaction on some level is mandatory.
This, to me, is crossing that line in the sand. My gameplay experience is being impacted upon negatively, so that Blizzard can ensure its got a share of the Third Party Item Farmer market.
I won't be buying Diablo 3, because when every game requires an internet connection, when you pay AU$110.00 for a new game and then face an unending cycle of microtransactions, when loading screens are advertisements, forums require subscriptions after the first six months, and 'Gaming' means little more than 'Interactive Advertising and Revenue Streams', I want to be able to say 'I told you so.'
I'll buy Torchlight 2. Blizzard can have it's Item Farmers; I'm out.
Starcraft II was sold as an eSports title, with a focus on it's multiplayer. This doesn't excuse the talking abortion that was it's single player component, but that's for a another thread. The OnLine requirement didn't really impact the vast majority of players. It would be like complaining that Counter-Strike requires an internet connection, at least from my point of view.
Diablo, however, has always been a single player game. And Blizzard are attempting to shift the focus entirely to its multiplayer component, however this isn't to the benefit of the game - it's make it's online economy work.
Diablo 3 isn't being built with Co-Op gameplay in mind; 'team work' here is merely 'more damage'. The Hack 'n Slash isn't being changed at a core level to really make deep team work necessary; you jump in, kill mosters, and jump out. No voice chat needed, no plan required.
The only reason the game will feature an 'online only' label is because Blizzard want to ensure your chances of interacting with the online community - and thus drive the Auction House Economy - are as high as they can make it, without making the game an MMO where player interaction on some level is mandatory.
This, to me, is crossing that line in the sand. My gameplay experience is being impacted upon negatively, so that Blizzard can ensure its got a share of the Third Party Item Farmer market.
I won't be buying Diablo 3, because when every game requires an internet connection, when you pay AU$110.00 for a new game and then face an unending cycle of microtransactions, when loading screens are advertisements, forums require subscriptions after the first six months, and 'Gaming' means little more than 'Interactive Advertising and Revenue Streams', I want to be able to say 'I told you so.'
I'll buy Torchlight 2. Blizzard can have it's Item Farmers; I'm out.
I'm pretty sure minecraft wasn't made with a lot of people like daiblo 3 and it is one of the biggest PC games out there. And if you are going to say it's not the same thing then here is another point, I rather play the dungeon crawler made by the guys who started the diablo series.Hammeroj said:
Only 1 step. Mike Morhaime (co-founder/CEO of blizzard) reports directly to Kotick. It is definitely one of the weirdest merges/acquisitions I've ever heard about. He set out to buy blizzard and somehow ended up getting bought by Vivendi in the process.Hammeroj said:
By your three things on what makes a MMO Etrian Odyssey 3 would make a crappy one. And wifi sucks for online gaming dude, my PS3 is right under my router and when I have the ps3 on the wifi it LAGS LIKE IT IS A 90 YEAR OLD MAN (same with my laptop which again is under my router), but when it's plugged in it has no problems. 8 people playing in one world does not make a MMO, even if it's "instance" you still have a global section with everyone in it (like Guildwars). I can not think of a dungeon crawler that if it had multilayer would be a MMO out side of Phantasy Star Online/Universe (But Universe feels like guildwars with the global town and the instanced dungeon).darkcommanderq said:
also to point out.BoredRolePlayer said:
torchlight really had piss all replay value, the classes were poorly made and defined, the items had no sense of balance(many 1 hand weapon hit up to 3 times as hard as they're 2handed counterparts), the +dmg system didn't work half the time, pets/minions were retarded sometimes getting stuck on stairs(as in going down them while trying to attack didn't work),difficulty was a passing wind, many spells and abilities would just not work sometimes(the mage's laser beam baing the biggest offender), and there was only a handful of enemy types.
its not just production they have against them many of the features are fucking stupid(way too much to identify and send back with the pet), I'm not saying its a bad game... its just a one shot wonder unless they fix things and have more then a handful of enemy types.
i have never seen so many undead in one place and a paladin was no where to be seen.