Diablo 3 Wizards Go Nuclear

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MetalMagpie

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Suki_ said:
I dont see the big deal here. Shit happens glitches get discovered and are patched fairly quickly. Those who exploit them know they are cheating and will have to deal with the consequences of that. The guy who make the video sounds like a complete fucking idiot. Bitching and moaning about how blizzard doenst give a fuck because this hasnt been patched in under three hours.

DVS BSTrD said:
I suppose, but that glitch wouldn't be there TO exploit if Blizzard had done it's job properly.
If you think its possible to release a bug/glitch free game you are delusional.
So totally this.

I write software for a living. Sometimes the code I write has bugs. Guess what, I'm a human being. Most of the time those bugs will be caught in testing. Every now and again, they will be found by a client instead. Usually a client using the software months later, doing something they think is totally normal, but that our testing didn't cover. It's embarrassing when it happens, but most clients are happy as long as we get it fixed within the week.

Complete test coverage for anything more sophisticated than a "Hello World" is a laughable idea. And for any software product that doesn't have people's lives depending on it, there's only so much bug testing that can be justified.
 

Kross

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Blizzard doesn't really ban in Diablo for exploiting. There's been multiple leveling (Azmodan and ZK quest chaining) and invulnerability exploits (Diamond Skin/Mantra of Healing/Smoke Screen) since launch. Though this is the first I've seen that requires a race condition.

Diablo 1 had a great dupe bug that exploited a race condition as well (not overly relevant, but was fun once you were able to do it). Drop gold or an item on the ground you wanted a copy of, then walk a few steps away from it. Click on the item to pick it up, and time grabbing a potion off your belt to coincide with the item pickup. If you did it right (fairly difficult to time at first), you would be holding a copy of the item rather then the potion you pulled off your belt. :D

Diablo 2 had similar dupe timing issues involving the trade window. After it was patched they didn't ban anyone (slight lie, there was some banning of people duping, but it was very sporadic and inconsistent - seemed to be mostly accounts that did other naughty things), but would look for duplicate item IDs (every item had a hidden unique identifier) in game and delete the items when two matched. They DID ban for trade scamming... eventually. And you had to scam a LOT of people for them to care if I recall correctly.

The hardcore (in both senses of the term, esp in regards to leveling exploits) crowd generally finds and exploits these as much as possible for quite a while before someone leaks the details. Then hundreds of people who read the right parts of the Internet start trying the exploit/heavily farming it. Blizz patches in a few days after it becomes public knowledge, and everything gets a bit cheaper for a while until the economy recovers (well, not really, the flippers on the AH will buy up anything undercutting too much and relist - eventually you'll get a bit of a clearance sale when they try to unload a backlog). I'd be a fan of them banning for abusing an exploit, but it's probably difficult and a major support headache to draw the line of what constitutes abuse versus "checking out what happened" (and the myriad other UNBAN ME reasons they'd receive) for thousands of your active playerbase.

Now once PvP is out, and there's direct competition with other players (technically you wearing all perfect gear and farming A4 Inferno really means nothing other then you might put a few more items on the auction house - which demand will float up to a proper price range because you still won't be flooding the supply), they might be more aggressive about such things, but who knows.


Edit: Check out the date on this vid [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBB093Pkw2Y]
 

Li Mu

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ummm wtf?

As far as I'm aware, this has been around for about 3 hours now and still hasn't been patched
Is this guy retarded? He really thinks that they can make and release a patch in three hours?
 

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As someone that thrived on finding cool glitches in games, buying Game Genies and Gamesharks, and messing around in all those glorious cheat codes in older games, I honestly look at the current state of gaming and get depressed.

Things just aren't as FUN anymore. You're not ALLOWED to have fun YOUR way. You have to have fun the developer's way only. You play the game when they allow it, how they all you to play it, and don't you dare try and play when and how you want to.

I heard a seminar from godfather of great games, Shigeru Miyamoto, and he was asked the secret to making great games. He bluntly said "Make the best game you can that gives your players the best experience they can get. They should play the game how they want to play it, not how you want to design it."

Companies keep forgetting that as they try and see how much they can restrict gamers' freedom to play. DRM, always-online (even for single-player), online passes, on-disc Day-1 "DLC", charging for features that used to be free, banning people that discover and use in-game exploits (or in Old Republic's case, just going to high-level planets)...

... I want to play games the way I want to play them, not how companies like Blizzard demand that I play them, entirely on their terms.
 

MetalMagpie

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DVS BSTrD said:
Suki_ said:
I dont see the big deal here. Shit happens glitches get discovered and are patched fairly quickly. Those who exploit them know they are cheating and will have to deal with the consequences of that. The guy who make the video sounds like a complete fucking idiot. Bitching and moaning about how blizzard doenst give a fuck because this hasnt been patched in under three hours.

DVS BSTrD said:
I suppose, but that glitch wouldn't be there TO exploit if Blizzard had done it's job properly.
If you think its possible to release a bug/glitch free game you are delusional.
Yes, because developers shouldn't try to correct glitches before they release the game. Just ship them right off to retail warts and all: since it was never gunna be prefect anyway.
You can't fix bugs you don't know about. Complete test coverage for anything more sophisticated than a "Hello World" is a laughable idea. And for any software product that doesn't have people's lives depending on it, there's only so much bug testing that can be justified.

I work as a software developer and I'll happily admit that sometimes the code I write has bugs in. (I'm a human being, after all.) Most of these bugs are caught by testing. A small number are not. If they get discovered by a client, that's a little embarrassing. But providing we get the fix out in an appropriate time frame (a week if there's a work-around or same-day if it's an emergency), then we've done our job.
 

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MetalMagpie said:
Just to be clear: I don't own the game. I'm waiting until it's a bit cheaper before I try it. (Although - with sales still strong - it looks like it's going to be a while before the price even dips below £30.)
Ahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Blizzard? Put a game on SALE? Have you even MET this company before? If you're waiting for a price drop, I hope you are prepared to wait a very long time. Warcraft III is still $40 for the game + expansion, and that game is a decade old. Starcraft II is $40 while on sale and it's two years old. (Compare Skyrim dropping to $30 during the Steam sale for a game less than a year old) The game servers will likely be shut down long before they put it on sale for less than $30. (Or even 30 euros)
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
Shjade said:
I suppose, but that glitch wouldn't be there TO exploit if Blizzard had done it's job properly.
Which has nothing to do with whether or not the people who discover it are exploiting it for all it's worth.

Glitches happen. Should this one have been caught in testing? Probably. It couldn't have been found in beta since the beta didn't go up far enough in level for wizards to learn archon and teleport.
 

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Draech said:
http://www.amazon.com/Warcraft-III-Battle-Chest-Mac/dp/B00009ECGK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343062708&sr=8-1&keywords=warcraft+3

Consider yourself corrected.
That's Amazon. Blizzard themselves...
http://us.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=110000050
$40.

I will concede that if you can find a third party source you can get it cheaper.
 

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MetalMagpie said:
Clearing the Eye said:
I am so very glad this game is a constant stream of fuck-ups and failure.
It still sold 3.5million copies in the first 24 hours (6.3million in the first week), which makes it the fastest selling PC game of all time. Despite hiccups and complaints about the DRM, I'm going to assume Blizzard will view this game as a massive success. Businesses listen to sales figures, not to forum threads.

Just to be clear: I don't own the game. I'm waiting until it's a bit cheaper before I try it. (Although - with sales still strong - it looks like it's going to be a while before the price even dips below £30.)
Lol. The number of people that were severely disappointed by the game, plus the amount of people asking for refunds, combined with everyone that detests the DRM... Yeah, game's a failure for the business. It's like selling people gold plated anthrax--it might sell well, but there won't be many return customers.

World of Warcraft bleeding subscribers... Diablo 3 being a shitfight... Good times <3
 

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If I weren't so busy catching up with my stuff (I was away last weekend) and also to still actually care for this game than I would give this a go. However consider the fact that it's ridiculous rare to get any good rares in the game I will pass on this exploit.
 

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I didn't bother with Diablo 3. Came out while I was on holidays, and I returned to the launch shit storm and figured I was better off without it. Plus, I don't support games/devs/things I disagree with.

Anyway, I picked up Krater on the Steam Sale and man that game is fun. It's like Diablo... but more strategy like, more RPG like, and you get to control a little 3 man squad. It's actually quite fun.
 

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Suki_ said:
DVS BSTrD said:
I suppose, but that glitch wouldn't be there TO exploit if Blizzard had done it's job properly.
If you think its possible to release a bug/glitch free game you are delusional.
Precisely. There has never EVER been a time that games have been released 100% bug/glitch/exploit free. The only difference is that now developers are able to patch many of these bugs/exploits/glitches after the fact.

OT: I can see how this would suck for PvP, but for single player that be awesome!!
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
(the latter two were supposed to be made impossible with server side stuff, right Blizz? lolol)
The DRM is meant to keep out Pirates, not Hackers (that's like saying a shipping container and a bag of crisps are the same thing because they both hold stuff.)

But hey, if at first you don't succeed declare it impossible because that's easier than putting in effort right?
 

Twilight_guy

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Hum... so people are blaming Blizzard for having the bug. Obviously they have never coded. Not to mention isn't that blaming a rape victim for being raped? Also, why is it that it seems like Blizzards most hardcore fans, who put hundreds of hours into there games and play them all the time, also seem to spew the most bile over everything. It seems like there is nothing but a wall of hate in the Diablo 3 forums from people who admit to playing the game far then they your average Joe. I don't know what this self-loathing kind of relationship is but it is interesting to see, even if it saddens me.
 

Clearing the Eye

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Aeshi said:
Clearing the Eye said:
(the latter two were supposed to be made impossible with server side stuff, right Blizz? lolol)
The DRM is meant to keep out Pirates, not Hackers (that's like saying a shipping container and a bag of crisps are the same thing because they both hold stuff.)

But hey, if at first you don't succeed declare it impossible because that's easier than putting in effort right?
Lolol. Not only did they fail to prevent hacks, pirates are still playing it as we speak. I won't encourage you to Google server emulators, but... they exist.

People who pay for the game: DRM; no single player, server issues and lag, people cheating and glitching, account hacks and theft.

People who pirate the game: no DRM; single player, no server issues or lag, no cheaters or people glitching, no account hacking and no chance of having your shit stolen.

Nice work, Blizzard. You guys really did a great job on stopping those pirates. Made the game better for customers, too. Video games have to be the only class of product in the world where pirates get better products than the people legitimately buying the stuff. *rofl*