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Petromir

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NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Loop Stricken said:
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Loop Stricken said:
And whom exactly are you affecting by that? You're making your own game easier and... that's it.
They're entire game system is built around getting people to use the RMAH for equipment, they removed all the stats and skills so there won't be any "imba builds" they can't control and the only way your character can get "better" in the game is through better equipment.
Seeing as the hardest difficulty is with monsters starting above the max. character level that seems to be the most likely way to "progress" in the end-game.
The entire game is about getting better gear. That's Diablo in a nutshell. If you don't want to buy it, stack magic find and farm for whatever counts as legendaries.

And as far as PvP goes, so what? If the person beating you bought their gear, then so be it. It hasn't been generated out of the aether by real money; it's dropped for someone actually playing the game. If the guy currently showing you what your bowels look like from the inside wasn't using that weapon, maybe it'd be the guy who originally found it. Such a massive difference.

I find that the only people who really complain about entirely optional features are the ones who will crack under the pressure of being perceived as being worse than those who use it. Big effin' deal.
Diablo has always been about you and your party finding great gear, either to bargain with or use. The way D3 has been configured, you will NEVER find the top pieces of gear in the game. They will be RMAH exclusive.

In Diablo 2, out of about 170 legendary pieces of equipment, and about 90 rune words, only a handful of them are useful in the hardest difficulty. I can name all of them off the top of my head. Everything else is so much trash.

My friends and I spent about 300 hours in Hell difficulty farming for items. Of that list, we found 2 items and 1 rune. THAT'S IT. And now the drops are being manipulated to drive up the value of the most important items because it's an easy way to sucker people like you into paying MONEY.

And as far as internet goes, my internet dies every hour or so, and I need to reset the router. Makes playing a game like D3 (which you usually play for hours straight) REALLY REALLY HARD.

Fairly sure if its not dropped in game it wont be appearing on the RMAH as thats the domain of the players only, blizzard is selling nafe all on it just creaming a heafty fee on it.
 

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That's fine.

I don't think a company should be required to accommodate the initial spike of customers unless they have outrageous amounts of funds, the ability to pull resources from their waning titles, and a capability to dedicate the additional server resources to future releases. Oh wait...
 

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Loop Stricken said:
The Lugz said:
oh well, they sell 1 copy less. serves them right imo
You're... 'punishing' a company because they're trying to make sure their login servers don't get overloaded on release day?
Well done.
You look like this:

You're... 'quoting' part of a post because you do not like context
Well done.


Mocking people rarely pays off with a good response, however;

I shall be more plain, i vote with my wallet and i do not like the always active internet method of current game development, the point is blizzard made their own problem and expect gamers to put up with it, and they will because everyone wants to feel powerful in diablo and to do that most players will need/want a head-start to feel ahead of the pack
blizzard knows they need more login server bandwidth they could easily rent some extra space or set up a service staggered by a few seconds as anyone that knows about computers can tell you a login server needs only to clear it's bandwidth input to operate normally
they wont do this, because they don't want to pay for it that's called greed, and is at least disingenuous
( setting up a service you know very well is near or over it's limit of functionality )
that is, in-fact the exact opposite of
"trying to make sure their login servers don't get overloaded on release day"

they've 'tacked on' multi-player systems to squeeze pennies out of the auction and ruin the in game economy with a pay-for-advantage system
( you know someone is going to buy super rare items for $500 and parade around as if they are somehow king of the game, and the second the pvp arena arrives they'll have an unfair advantage at competing there, too )

what i object to is paying for, waiting for and supporting this system.
the result is degraded game-play and degraded service for the average customer
( why should you, as a legitimate paying customer have to log in and wait to play the single-player game component of any game, ever? )
if blizzard cared about the gamer you could have synchronous on-line / offline mode that required play-through of the starter area locally and only forcing you to log onto the server when you want to play multi-player, or to access high end content / powerful items

honestly this is a thing 'EVERY' game should have by now to ensure 1 super-server-crunch is never an issue
( self-gating load balancing )

personally i'd be entirely metaphoric and make the first playable loading bar. imagine if you will, your starter area 'is' the loading screen for a game and the door out is literally the door into the game server
when you've completed the starter area you'd be at the door each time you load the game up
you're going to need to load your character files anyway, right? 'nod'

that's the gamer response to the situation
 

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You dont have to worry about me dear Blizzard as I simply will choose not to buy your game, despite being a huge fan of both Diablo 1 and 2. I reject that I should have to endure these things to play what, for me, is a singelplayer-game (and dont give me the crap that I'm not playing the game right. Everyone gets enjoyement out of different things in life, I got alot of enjoyment from playing Diablo 1 and 2 in singelplayer but do not find it in the least enjoyable to play games online, and I shouldnt be forced to!).
 

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Loop Stricken said:
The entire game is about getting better gear. That's Diablo in a nutshell. If you don't want to buy it, stack magic find and farm for whatever counts as legendaries.

And as far as PvP goes, so what? If the person beating you bought their gear, then so be it. It hasn't been generated out of the æther by real money; it's dropped for someone actually playing the game. If the guy currently showing you what your bowels look like from the inside wasn't using that weapon, maybe it'd be the guy who originally found it. Such a massive difference.
They bought it with currency generated out of their ass. It's still pay to win, and this is not Skyrim. Some people just think a multiplayer game is more fun when real life dollars aren't involved, affecting things like balance, power relative to other players, and the attainability of in-game goals. I guess if those things don't matter to you in a multiplayer game that's your business, but pretending they don't affect everyone's experience is denying the obvious.

I find that the only people who really complain about entirely optional features
Pretend it doesn't affect those who don't use it all you want, but it does, particularly in a multiplayer game. Sure, I have the option to not use it, but I don't have the option to play in an environment unaffected by it.
are the ones who will crack under the pressure of being perceived as being worse than those who use it. Big effin' deal.
I'm willing to bet you haven't come across even one such person.

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incidentally, for all the people who complain about the 'always-on DRM'; realistically, for how long in the past God-knows how many years have you actually been offline?
I have spent quite a lot of time in the past few years without regular internet access. I spent months checking my emails at a public computer. Maybe I have a shitty connection or none at all and I just don't want to upgrade. The reasons one might be without the internet for a time are endless and I'm not going to list things you already know. I shouldn't need to explain why I want to play single player offline. Additionally, being online means relying on them to have their shit perfectly straight all the time, and it won't be.

I've been playing WoW since release, so that's about seven years? if my Internet goes down, if I'm cut off from the net, WoW is not the first thing that comes to mind. Sheer terror grips my heart and my balls rise back into my body cold and inert as I realise I'm utterly cut off from the outside world unable to know what's happening, unable to call any of my geographically-disparate friends, unable to access knowledge at a whim and generally being cut off from anything I haven't already stored.

If I'm playing D3 and my net goes down, I have more serious shit to worry about than my online game.
Namely, my online life.

What, you think it sounds a tad hyperbolic? Think about how ubiquitous mobile phones are. never mind smartphones - I'm talking dumb bricks good only for voice communication. A few years ago, why would I want to be able to be contacted all the bloody day?
now? SHIT I LEFT MY PHONE AT HOME NOW I FEEL NAKED AND VULNERABLE WHAT IF PEOPLE NEED ME URGENTLY WHAT IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OH GOD.

Same deal with net access.
EDIT: I was really snarky before, I apologize. What I should have said is: While loss of the internet means 'sheer terror' for you, for most of us it just means we don't have the internet. Nothing to worry about. But if I want to play Diablo III during that time, I'll be pretty annoyed if I can't. Haven't you ever taken a trip or been away from the internet for even one hour? Well, that's the hour I'd like to be playing the game.
 

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Loop Stricken said:
...I find that the only people who really complain about entirely optional features are the ones who will crack under the pressure of being perceived as being worse than those who use it. Big effin' deal.
...incidentally, for all the people who complain about the 'always-on DRM'; realistically, for how long in the past God-knows how many years have you actually been offline? ...
Pretty much this. I'd say more, but you got the point across fairly well on your own ;) ...Well, maybe a few choice words:

"Oh no! Diablo 3 has online-only DRM and real-money services! Let's boycott the game; that'll teach 'em!"

Yeah, sure it will. It's DIABLO III.

I'm getting this game. You want to know why? I'll tell you why: 'cause it's going to be awesome, and I know already that I will thoroughly enjoy it, alone or co-op with friends, DRM-or-whatever be damned. I'm sorry for those with an unreliable internet connection, but I wouldn't go grab my torch and pitchfork over this. I think we all just need to calm down a little.

In regards to the Auction House, I honestly feel the RM service is there for those who wish to partake in the higher-end, late-game challenges without having to "waste" time and effort to grind for gear. If you're a "true fan", or whatever, you're going to avoid the RMAH out of principle anyway, so who cares if someone else wants to take advantage of the service to better their own experience, with no slight to you?

Got a problem with the RMAH? Don't play with/against those who use it. It's that simple.
 

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linkblade91 said:
Got a problem with the RMAH? Don't play with/against those who use it. It's that simple.
I kind of doubt it's going to be practical to distinguish between users and non-users that way, especially if you don't play exclusively with established friends. But if they did create a space for players who don't use the auction house only, that would solve this problem as far as I am concerned. Then it would truly be an optional feature that wouldn't affect those who don't want it.

Well, kind of. No matter how 'optional' a feature may be, the game is certainly going to be designed to accommodate it. So the non-RMAH players may still be affected lots or none at all, depending on if/how the game was built around the AH.

I'm glad you're stoked, I'm sure it will be a kick-ass game. There are just a few features I don't even want to fool with.
 

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Quite glad I didn't like it now, it just seems like too much trouble for what I thought was an average game at beta.
 

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Hum, I think I counted less posts about the issue of log-ins and more posts about not buying the game or complaining that it has feature X or both. I wonder if this counts as 'post unrelated to topic.' Oh well, guess people must love calculus with all these tangents going on.

I can see where they would have an issue and at least they admitted that they don't have the resources rather then just not saying anything. People are mad either way but this saves face a bit.
 

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irishda said:
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AntonMTL said:
Stop complaining about the DRM and Online only issues. If there were't so many thieving douchebags around this would not be necessary. What do you expect? This is the future of PC games. Its not Blizzards fault. They do deserve to get payed for there work and if you are so dead set against it don't by it. Its a free country.

I have many other issues with D3, such as the cartoon art style and lack of skill tree, but the mild annoyance of online only to prevent cheaters and pirates I support.
Why is DRM crap? I just gave a good reason here. But Blizzard won't be complaining about the smaller sales on Diablo III because of their bullshit Auction House which they get a cut of every dollar purchase. Of course some of that will be put to maintenance of the game servers required for the always-online content, but you can bet there will be enough left over for steak dinners and mansions for the crew in Irvine.
I can't find that video of Bender laughing, so I have to write out

HAHAHAAA! Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

I love that that's your image of how the programmers at Blizzard live. It reminds me of how Fox News thought all teachers made boatloads of money last year on taxpayer dollar.

Seriously, man, if you hate that Real Auction House, fine. I do too. But I hate it because it represents people who take games way too seriously, not because I have unrealistic views on where money's going
Here ya go.
One of my favourites. (avoiding low post content to)

 

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AntonMTL said:
I have many other issues with D3, such as the cartoon art style and lack of skill tree, but the mild annoyance of online only to prevent cheaters and pirates I support.
And I would agree with you, if DRM ever actually DID prevent pirates and cheaters. Seeing as it doesn't actually do that, its only remaining function is to exercise greater control over the paying customers.
 

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Normally I'd say "Fair enough, just play single player for now", But since this game is always-online, it means even people who just want to play alone might be stuck.
I'll probably won't buy it any time soon.
 

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Hum, I think I counted less posts about the issue of log-ins and more posts about not buying the game or complaining that it has feature X or both. I wonder if this counts as 'post unrelated to topic.' Oh well, guess people must love calculus with all these tangents going on.
You don't think someone's readiness to purchase the title or features related to the game's online requirements could possibly be relevant to it's potential log-in issues? Do I have to wait for a story that literally mentions a feature by name before I bring it up even if bares on the topic at hand? If people were talking about The Avengers I would understand.
 

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To those people who keep saying whats the big deal about being online only, you just don't get it. If there is a single player option in a game then you shouldn't have to be online to play it. Simple as that. I don't know what else I can say to get it through your thickheaded stubborness. Also those who keep going on about how they don't have a problem being online they've always had that, here's a newsflash, not everyone is you and not everyone has the same benefits as you do there is a distinct lack of empathy from these types of people who refuse to try and understand the situation of others.

Anyway rant over and just saying the always online did kill my interest in Diablo 3. Also seeing that picture of the new Diablo I find it looks too much like Kerrigan Queen of Blades to be considered Diablo now.
 

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I won't be having any launch issues,
by using the perfect failsafe, of not buying it.