Did Brittney Spears Deserve A Tribute

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MintberryCrunch

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AugustFall said:
I dunno, how many of the songs attributed to her did she write? Must be quite hollow receiving a tribute for a song you did nothing more than show up to a studio to record.
Oh god, it properly angers me when people don't write their own damn songs. It's basically a cover of someone elses, which is what pisses me off about most modern popular music. Seriously, I nearly rage quit life when I saw on a McDonald's Happy Meal box 'Pixie Lott writes some of her own hit songs'. SOME.
I don't see how anyone deserves to be successful when there are properly talented bands out there who don't get any credit for doing what they do for 20+ years, yet these people who are born into this music industry are just given everything and made successful without any merit. Put it this way- how many of today's 'musicians' in the charts actually played in pubs and various other tiny gigs before they got anywhere?

Eurgh. I'm gonna go lie down.

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, Britney Spears. If she truly deserved a tribute, it'd be for doing something beneficial to humanity, not 'singing' on stage and making up some dances to a 3-minute long, easily digestible song that she didn't write.

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MintberryCrunch said:
Oh god, it properly angers me when people don't write their own damn songs. It's basically a cover of someone elses, which is what pisses me off about most modern popular music. Seriously, I nearly rage quit life when I saw on a McDonald's Happy Meal box 'Pixie Lott writes some of her own hit songs'. SOME.
I don't see how anyone deserves to be successful when there are properly talented bands out there who don't get any credit for doing what they do for 20+ years, yet these people who are born into this music industry are just given everything and made successful without any merit. Put it this way- how many of today's 'musicians' in the charts actually played in pubs and various other tiny gigs before they got anywhere?

Eurgh. I'm gonna go lie down.

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, Britney Spears. If she truly deserved a tribute, it'd be for doing something beneficial to humanity, not 'singing' on stage and making up some dances to a 3-minute long, easily digestible song that she didn't write.

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Yeah but Pop Music isn't normally written by the artist who performs it. It's been like this for a long time, even well into the 80's and possibly late 70's.

Yeah, there are some artists who do write and produce their own Pop music, but they are in the extreme minority, especially now. Britney Spears' music is more or less written by a committee of artists so that she has enough tracks to sell an album and enough hits to stay chart friendly. It's a marketing machine and it's been going strong for years.
 

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I was going to post based on the title alone...then I read the OP and decided it's still relevant. Anyway, I don't think anybody deserves a tribute until after they've died or, 10 years (minimum) after they've retired and been completely inactive in the industry which wishes to give tribute. To give someone a tribute, to me, implies that the person being given a tribute has died. It just doesn't seem right giving Brittany a tribute.
 

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*chuckles*

In my opinion: No. She doesn't. She could dance and sing (in recording studios) but apart from the intentional polarization (which was so obviously a marketing ploy it hurts) of her appearance in the pubic, I can think of nothing remarkable or memorable about her career.

She was sort of like the Justin Bieber of her day in that regard; capable, but unremarkable save for the inordinate amount of time and money spent on forcibly projecting her into the public spotlight.

Popular culture: "Britney was popular! Of course she deserves it!"
Aaaand...that's all the justification you need in the real world. It's a celebrity. Whoo.

Shoggoth2588 said:
I was going to post based on the title alone...then I read the OP and decided it's still relevant. Anyway, I don't think anybody deserves a tribute until after they've died or, 10 years (minimum) after they've retired and been completely inactive in the industry which wishes to give tribute. To give someone a tribute, to me, implies that the person being given a tribute has died. It just doesn't seem right giving Brittany a tribute.
As far as I know, Britney's career has been dead long enough.
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ShindoL Shill

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Sean Steele said:
I dont want to be the 'all of todays music is shit' guy because its not. All of todays popular music is shit.
pretty much. i listen to Moonspell and nobody's heard of them.
but i agree with the OP, we should wait. the artist might do something even better, or ruin everything for themselves somehow.
 

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It was the MTV VMAs, the video music awards on a channel that doesn't show music videos. They give out astronauts as their awards. It's barely a step above the Spike videogame awards, and a step below the kids choice awards, it's meaningless. To make it clearer, in this award shows movie equivalent, the award for best line (and they have a best line award), is "I want to get chocolate wasted" from grown ups. It's not the Grammys.
 

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DarthScorpio11 said:
beyonce was famous when she was in Destiny Child. She's been famous before Britney.
Britney was a mouseketeer around 1993 around 4 years before Destiney's Child hit the scene. But this little argument you guys are having is silly enough.

OT: Yeah I support her getting a tribute, just because I don't like her music doesn't give me the right to claim that no one likes Britney's music. She has lived one of the most public lives ever and she survived (relatively) unscathed.

I do have to question why the tribute is going on now of all years, seriously is she dieing?
 

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DarthScorpio11 said:
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Yes, she deserves a tribute within the context of Pop music. Because she managed to stay famous for thirteen years, that deserves a freaking medal. Think of all the other "It" people we've ploughed through (Nelly Furtado, anyone?), Brittney did extremely well, and they ought to honor her for it.

If you think the entire above statement is full of crap, then chances are you're not the audience for said tribute.
lots of people have been famous for much longer...For instance, Destiny Child was together before Spears released a single song...
They fell from the limelight a LONG time ago, and any fame they've garnered in the past few years has been from Beyonce's extremely successful solo career.

I'm talking "in the tabloids, in the top ten songs constantly" famous. Pretty much everything Britney releases gets in there (even recent ones like "Dancing 'Til the World Ends" and "Go All The Way"), and she still makes the tabloids (with stories such as getting a tribute at the MVAs).
ummm...maybe you missed my point. Destiny Child (*cough* *cough* Beyonce) has been making music for longer than Brittney. Brittney has been making music for 13 years. So what? Beyonce has for longer, and so have many others...
And you missed MY point... it's not a question of who makes the music for how long, it's a question of who stays famous longest (and no, Destiny's Child and Beyonce are two seperate entities).

I'm guessing you don't follow pop culture much?
beyonce was famous when she was in Destiny Child. She's been famous before Brittney. What part of these sentences do you not understand?
And which part of "Destiny's Child and Beyonce are two separate entities" did you not understand? I certainly didn't give care about Beyonce when she was part of Destiny's Child.

If you're going to be insistent, then the only conclusion is that our views combined agree that Beyonce deserves a tribute as well. Maybe next year.
 

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I don't follow pop music much anymore, but I do remember when Britney was popular, and really, I thought she and all her clones had fallen out of the spotlight by 2005 or so. The only thing relating to music I ever heard about her since then was when she started her comeback tour to prove to people she wasn't insane.

As for the development of pop music as it is today: Michael Jackson, Madonna, Usher, Prince, and maybe even Billy Joel deserve tributes. They were/are not just icons of their time, but they also made lasting impacts on pop music that will be remembered as game-changers long after they're gone. All the artists I mentioned have made albums that not only were big hits, but also featured real talent and/or innovation in music making that pushed pop music forward and were very respectable and even iconic for music in general, not just pop. Britney, on the other hand, didn't do much musically to advance pop music. Sure, she had talent when she was younger, and in terms of dancing and looks, she had a lot of imitators in her time under the spotlight. But what lasting legacy did she leave pop music? What albums of hers will be remembered as icons of pop music or pop culture with lasting impact in 30 or even 10 years from now? Michael Jackson will go down in history for Thriller. Madonna will for Vogue, and Prince for Purple Rain. But sorry, Britney, Baby One More Time won't stand up to those gems, so I don't think you deserve a tribute.
 

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DarthScorpio11 said:
Apparently she received a Tribute from the VMA tonight. Now, im not a hater or anything. As a 21 year old, i have pretty fond memories of hearing Brittney in the late 90s/early 00s. She was a pretty talented teenager/early 20 something, who could dance, and had a pretty nice voice. She couldn't sing as well as Beyonce or Christina, but she was the "it" girl of that time.

However, in more recent time, through a good amount of the last decade (and this one too), she went way downhill, and started making crappy autotuned songs, lip sinking in concerts, and lazy dancing. I know she is older, but i think an artist should mature as they age. I think she has digressed, if anything. But she is only 29, and is still young. She has plenty of days ahead of her. Which begs the question: shouldn't they wait a couple of decades or so to see how she plays out over the course of time?

She released her first single 13 years ago in 1998. 13 years sounds like a long time, but not that long ago actually. The kids who grew up listening to her, are still only teens/young adults. Not enough time has passed to see if she will still be looked up to by other younger generations, or if she is just simply 90s nostalgia for ageing generation y who is starting to grow up.

I also think that this tribute will just go to Brittney ego, and will give her more inspiration to make more crappy music. "I can lipsink, and sing on autotune, and i still get tributes. Might as well keep doing what im doing". Younger people's egos are harder to keep humble, and things go to their head easier, than say, if they waited 2 decades or so, when she is 49. Then she would have been around for a while, and have had her life figured out enough to the point where it wouldn't phase her.

just a thought...
Britney getting an award from the VMA is totally appropriate. Think about what the VMA is. Video Music Awards. Video. Music. Awards. Add this to the fact that they're run by MTV. Now sit there and think about that for a while. No, don't just skip down straight away to the next paragraph (or the next post), actually do it.

Britney is, like it or not, an icon of pop-culture. Now, MTV is a peddler of popular culture. They've been peddling Britney for years. Why shouldn't they throw a tribute or two her way after all she's done for them, making those endless videos? The pop-culture penetration of Britney is so huge that a few years back she was voted #1 sexiest woman alive in a worldwide poll that encompassed every country in the world (sorry can't find the link, maybe someone else can) and which was done after her supposed "decline". How did that happen? After all, I'm sure everyone reading this probably knows other girls that they think are sexier than Britney. Well, it happened because she's the most visible western female pop cultural icon out there. In third-world countries, she symbolises not just pop music but the west in general, when people from some banana republic in Africa or wherever think of the USA, they think of Coke, M16s and Britney Spears. They would have voted for her simply because they couldn't think of any other hot Western women in pop culture off the top of their head. That's the power of Britney - some guy living in a tin hut in Zaire knows who she is. MTV recognises this power because cross-cultural penetration of video-music is the power that drives their market share.

Also, you can't have it both ways and call someone "nostalgia" material in one sentence and say they lack longevity and proof of standing the test of time in the next. Fact: 13 years is a long, long time in the pop music business. Most bands in any realm of music don't last that long. Led Zeppelin lasted about 13 years IIRC, and (like Britney) approximately two of those were pretty much just spent fucking around in a drug-induced haze and attending lots of parties. The Beatles didn't make 13 years. Most musical artists don't have a viable career that long, in any genre, but in pop music where constant new sounds are always sought, if you're still selling after 13 years you're doing damn good. Most pop artists are commercially dead by album number 3. Any pop artist still going after ten years deserves a medal and an award ceremony just for putting up with all the bollocks that they have to put with to get that far.

(Oh and I don't mean to be pedantic but it's "lip-sync" not "lip-sink". "Sync" is actually short for "synchronisation" which refers to the singer synchronising their voice with a backing track. Not picking on you, think of it as furthering your musical education.)
 

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Blablahb said:
BonsaiK said:
Britney is, like it or not, an icon of pop-culture. Now, MTV is a peddler of popular culture.
Since when is that then? MTV is a peddler of crappy reality series, most of them staged and acted, about shallow and stupid American stereotypes for boys and girls. Only when they run out of these shows late at night, do they throw in some mucic, which is a bad as it's unknown.

I remember years and years ago they had shows like on the rocks, which was actually about music. And not everything else they showed was crap.

But nowadays, MTV is about teaching girls to starve themselves and care about makeup, gossip and not doing anything constructive, and boys about having to go to the gym at least 6 days a week, and reject any form of education or sophistication.

Wow, that was a nice culture critic rant if I say so myself.
Actually, you're right, the MTV that's around now is quite different to what it used to be.

Nevertheless, Britney was active and popular during the time that MTV was primarily a music video network, so the connection is still relevant, if a little more tenuous these days.
 

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I don't want to sound smug, but the debate over longevity in the pop music world does make me feel pleased to be a ZZ Top fan. Forty Two years of simple, quality rock and they're still going.

I think BonsaiK has a very good point. It's easy -and somewhat enjoyable perhaps- to rage and pontificate about whether Ms Spears deserves any form of recognition and acclaim but ultimately it depends on the context of the award and who is granting it. Lavrenty Beria was a nauseatingly nasty man, even by Soviet Politburo standards, but he still recieved the Hero of the Soviet Union medal. I do not consider that to confer any merit on him as a person.

I'll save my wrath for if they ever try to induct her into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.