Did Bush do anything right?
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uhm... I personally enjoyed his speach about how humans and fish can coexist peacefully. although I think he might have been thinking about martians or something else from one of his crack high dreams
I would like to pint out that no nation should ever invade another nation on the grounds that, they might do something. if that was true there are several other countries that need to be invaded.ElephantGuts said:
secondly were not the worlds police, never have, never will be. we like to act like it but that just makes people hate us.
third, Iraq might not have been the US's best friend but they certainly had bigger enemies, like, oh, Iran. one of the biggest complaints of the war is that now with Iraq being a sissy of a nation militarily it can no longer stand up to Iran meaning Iran's power goes unchecked.
Now, if they had attacked us it would have been different, however when we invaded they had nothing to do with 9/11 and weren't harboring any terrorists.
I don't want to appear ignorant here, I know full well the atrocities committed by Saddam, I have no illusions of those things, however if we went around deposing every leader who's ever done anything like that America would have fought a lot more wars.
Nice of Bush... Other than driving us into a 7 year war we dont even belong in, running our country into the largest national debt in the history of the planet, and then leaving it all for someone else to clean up? Nope, cant really think of anything.
AND he went into Iraq WITHOUT the UN's consent, did not find WMDs, and then LIED about there being WMDs to make it sound like we had a reason to be there.
Theres my rant. Felt i had to het that off my chest.
AND he went into Iraq WITHOUT the UN's consent, did not find WMDs, and then LIED about there being WMDs to make it sound like we had a reason to be there.
Theres my rant. Felt i had to het that off my chest.
You know this was a thread about what he did right. However everyone only seems to be talking about what he did wrong.
This is such a weird comment to me that I don't know if I'm supposed to take this seriously, or as a joke.BudZer said:
Even the most staunch republicans will admit to some of the wrongdoings by Bush. I can't imagine not being able to at least admit a few mistakes.
He didn't really do as much wrong as people make it out to be. The main point people bring up is that he got us into the war in Iraq. What people should realize is that it was immediately after 9/11, and nearly everyone supported the invasion. Looking back, it was foolish, but if we're gonna sacrifice the lives of our soldiers we might as well do something good for the world. And then there's his IQ level...yeah he was pretty stupid. Let's face it, he wasn't the worst president ever, or even near it, and people should look at the facts before the accuse him. I'm not saying I supported him, but honestly, he's better than Kerry, and he's definitely better than Gore...He'd spend all our money on massive ice cubes to cool the ocean down or something...
I am going to assume that you are being sarcastic and would like to inform you that sarcasm is not always easily perceived in text form. If you are serious, than I would like to point out that what he was talking about was monetary and supply aid to African countries.Ignignoct said:
As for things Bush did right: No Child Left Behind had a good idea, but was not entirely thought through because it relies to heavily on standardized tests and blames teacher exclusively when a child does not learn.
His initial response to 9/11 was good.
It looks like Robert may be a decent enough pick for the Supreme Court (not the most preferred, but the man seems to have a level head about the law and not entirely a partisan hack).
There was a topic back in December called Why does everyone hate George Bush Jr? This was my response. It's a long list.vivaldiscool said:
hese are the first things off the top of my head. Sorry I don't have enough time to go look up all the sources. Sorry for any typos. Yes, I hated him when he was still governor. Note these are not exclusive to Bush or even Republicans alone. Also this ignores deeper problems of hegemony but that would take entire books to explain.
9-11 (whether he caused it or just screwed up is irrelevant)
Illegal and immoral war in which thousands of civilians were killed.
Downing street memo
The funds from those wars weren't spent on education or infrastructure, like say, levees.
Abysmal "with us or against us" policies that pissed of the rest of world.
The only world leader in all of recorded history to raise taxes and go to war at the same time.
This lead to record debt. I lost count once we reached a few trillion.
Fired scientists when they came up with results that would be politically bad for him
Advocated torturing innocent people
Blackwater
John Poindexter
Karl Rove
Best friends with Ken "Kenny boy" Lay
Spying and other civil rights abuses including spending $600-million dollars spying of quakers. Infiltrating peaceful anti-war groups but ignoring KKK and actual domestic terrorists.
A new level double speak and Machiavellian phrasing (clean air act, healthy forest initiative)
A new level of secrecy.
Classified millions of unclassified documents
Color coded systems that tell terrorists when we are most prepared.
Push polling
Homophobia
K-street
Tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest fraction of a percent
Environmental deregulation
Supporting dictators
Poor treatment of troops and veterans.
Pandering to the religious right (he announced his run for president at Bob Jones university)
Favored candidates for office based of loyalty. (Heck of a job Micheal Brown!)
Played guitar while people drowned.
Leaking CIA agents WHILE they were on duty.
Stopping innocent people from voting/having their votes counted.
Deregulation, which lead to abusing workers, environment, ect.
Favored gas industry.
Lost 363 tons of money in Iraq.
When he was governor of Texas executed record number of people and did infamous mocking of the people he executed.
Racist anti-drug laws.
He stopped crazy people from getting medicine and when they were arrested he claimed he was saving money and being "tough on crime". (That happened to my uncle)
Drunk driving (4 times for Cheyney)
Got out of having to go to Vietnam yet is still a hawk.
Took a record number of days off.
Lied to SEC
Tricked Texas into paying for his new baseball stadium.
Bankrupted everything he's ever run.
Could not find oil in Texas
Could not have been as "successful" if it were not for his parents.
9-11 (whether he caused it or just screwed up is irrelevant)
Illegal and immoral war in which thousands of civilians were killed.
Downing street memo
The funds from those wars weren't spent on education or infrastructure, like say, levees.
Abysmal "with us or against us" policies that pissed of the rest of world.
The only world leader in all of recorded history to raise taxes and go to war at the same time.
This lead to record debt. I lost count once we reached a few trillion.
Fired scientists when they came up with results that would be politically bad for him
Advocated torturing innocent people
Blackwater
John Poindexter
Karl Rove
Best friends with Ken "Kenny boy" Lay
Spying and other civil rights abuses including spending $600-million dollars spying of quakers. Infiltrating peaceful anti-war groups but ignoring KKK and actual domestic terrorists.
A new level double speak and Machiavellian phrasing (clean air act, healthy forest initiative)
A new level of secrecy.
Classified millions of unclassified documents
Color coded systems that tell terrorists when we are most prepared.
Push polling
Homophobia
K-street
Tax cuts that benefit the wealthiest fraction of a percent
Environmental deregulation
Supporting dictators
Poor treatment of troops and veterans.
Pandering to the religious right (he announced his run for president at Bob Jones university)
Favored candidates for office based of loyalty. (Heck of a job Micheal Brown!)
Played guitar while people drowned.
Leaking CIA agents WHILE they were on duty.
Stopping innocent people from voting/having their votes counted.
Deregulation, which lead to abusing workers, environment, ect.
Favored gas industry.
Lost 363 tons of money in Iraq.
When he was governor of Texas executed record number of people and did infamous mocking of the people he executed.
Racist anti-drug laws.
He stopped crazy people from getting medicine and when they were arrested he claimed he was saving money and being "tough on crime". (That happened to my uncle)
Drunk driving (4 times for Cheyney)
Got out of having to go to Vietnam yet is still a hawk.
Took a record number of days off.
Lied to SEC
Tricked Texas into paying for his new baseball stadium.
Bankrupted everything he's ever run.
Could not find oil in Texas
Could not have been as "successful" if it were not for his parents.
As for things he did right, giving money to Africa is the only thing that comes to mind.
Damn, someone said it better than I ever could!ElephantGuts said:
Anyway, I don't judge a president until a certain amount of time has passed since their exit from office. History must be the way of determining a President's effectiveness. Jackson was well liked during his time, in fact even though we give him all kinds of criticism, there was no other president that parties of the time tried to emulate in order to guarantee that their president would gain the office (why else would the Whigs choose William Henry Harrison over Henry Clay), so judging Bush this soon seems irrelevant.
Also all the Bush-bashing got old about five minutes after it started. I mean good God people imagine if something like John Adams' Sedition Act was in effect while Bush was president. At least you should give him that I don't think anyone on this forum could take the amount of verbal abuse that was offered to him.
I don't think Bush was all that bad.
The Iraq War was provoked by intelligence brought by the CIA from a source called Snowball. This informant told the CIA that Iraq DID have weapons of mass destruction. Not only that, but since the Clinton era, EVERYONE thought they had the bombs. So the Iraq war is not Bush's fault, but the CIA.
Let's not forget the brief campaign in Afghanistan. And I say brief because we KICKED ASS! That was handled perfectly by everyone involved, including Bush.
Bush is deemed 'bad' now because of Iraq, and that was a fault of someone else. As for the homefront, I can't say quite yet. It will take some time before any bills he has passed will show their effects. I can't say for certain that he was a great President yet, but I'm sure we've had worse.
The Iraq War was provoked by intelligence brought by the CIA from a source called Snowball. This informant told the CIA that Iraq DID have weapons of mass destruction. Not only that, but since the Clinton era, EVERYONE thought they had the bombs. So the Iraq war is not Bush's fault, but the CIA.
Let's not forget the brief campaign in Afghanistan. And I say brief because we KICKED ASS! That was handled perfectly by everyone involved, including Bush.
Bush is deemed 'bad' now because of Iraq, and that was a fault of someone else. As for the homefront, I can't say quite yet. It will take some time before any bills he has passed will show their effects. I can't say for certain that he was a great President yet, but I'm sure we've had worse.
He reacted in the correct way to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, one of the most shocking tradegies to ever befall your country. What he might have gone on to do in places such as Iraq is questionable, but the intitial reaction the to the terrorist attacks was the correct one, its just a shame we're unable to win in Afghanistan yet as they're putting up a hell of a fight.
