Did Cataclysm improve WOW

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Macheteswordgun

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warcraft4life said:
In my opinion - definitely! I raided BC, but when WOTLK came out I just lost all will, it was toooo easy, Oh hey der tank, I see you aggroing those 6 differnt mobs and still being 100%

Now in dungeons you almost have to use CC, healing is an actual challenge again.. the only downside.. my rogues currently 84 (up from 70) and I'll be damned if my new Rotation ain't a total **** =-="
I started in wrath but yes i thought it was a joke my brother played since vanillia and the general consensus in wow is BC was best vanillia for nostaliga for pvp. As for cata i think it blows I know so many people who have quit. And if you want a retarded rotation go warlock i need 5 lines of coke and 10 hands to keep up with the 12 year old hunter pressing 2 buttons in dps.
 

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jackknife402 said:
The only thing that can fix WoW now is if it returned to being a challenge....
So cataclysm, basically.

Yeah cat has drastically improved questing with more variety and overall fun. Much less grind in quests now. The new zones are also absolutely beautiful,

and endgame raids are some of the most challenging we've seen in years. So yes, I'd say cataclysm was definitely an improvement.
Yeah, raids are pretty tough right now. Any boss kill, even the ones my guild has had on farm, feels like an accomplishment, and every guild first is a big event. Bosses from previous expansions had mechanics that I thought were chaotic, but looking back they were stupidly easy compared to Cata mechanics. Anyone ever fail on the Heigan dance phase in level 80 Naxx? Now you might have to do that while executing a tank swap, breaking ice blocks, having two DPS alternate interrupts, dispel an explosive DoT, stand in power-up puddles, and keep up with heavy unavoidable AoE damage.
 

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Wrath was way better. Didn't have so many elitist retards to ruin the game for you.

The new 1-60 is fun but after that its all crap.
 

Lawnmooer

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Did Cataclysm improve WoW?

Yes.

Does this mean that WoW is back to it's pre-WotLK quality?

No.

Yes Cataclysm has made WoW better, especially leveling from 1-60 but the decline in quality that is WotLK is still having side effects, such as 60-80 being as boring and unengaging as ever (Even moreso now that everyone is much stronger at the lower levels than they were back in the expansions that brought those zones) and after hitting level 85 it becomes alot of fun, until you get gear which leaves Heroics being the same as WotLK ones (Though there are some encounters that can be a pain) and PvP the same as ever (Though different classes are imbalanced now)

I could really do with not playing anymore since I only log in to do raids, and the guild I'm in does 3/4 of their weekly raids on days I cannot play on...
 

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I played the hell out of it until about 60. I wish they had made the same changes to Outland quests that they made to everything else. Fatter drop rates, mixing it up with some flying and vehicle sections, etc.
 

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Aviyur said:
No. Endgame now is a joke. Its reminiscent of a Korean grindfest mmo, except you're not grinding levels. You're grinding epix.

The currency gear system has to be the worst feature introduced ever.

The leveling experience however was fun.
WoW isn't and never was on the level of a Korean MMO as far as grinds are concerned. The content that required the most grinding were either optional or outdated rep grinds like Wintersabers and the Shen'dralar and even those saw updates over time. The closest WoW ever was to one was 4-5 years ago. The game has changed a lot.

Once you're level capped, further progression becomes gear. That's the way the game always worked. It can't be now a joke if the entire game has been using this system for years.

Kroxile said:
Wrath was way better. Didn't have so many elitist retards to ruin the game for you.

The new 1-60 is fun but after that its all crap.
Mhm. Idiot retards ruined the game for you instead. Pick your poison.
 

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As an Ex-WoW veteran, I liked Cataclysm's quests. That's just about all I liked in Cataclysm. The bosses weren't a challenge for me. Oh sure, they introduced gearchecks in all the heroics, woohoo. Doesn't make anything any more challenging, unfortunately.

After Wrath, I just got sick of it all.
 

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Yes Cataclysm has made WoW better, especially leveling from 1-60 but the decline in quality that is WotLK is still having side effects, such as 60-80 being as boring and unengaging as ever (Even moreso now that everyone is much stronger at the lower levels than they were back in the expansions that brought those zones) and after hitting level 85 it becomes alot of fun, until you get gear which leaves Heroics being the same as WotLK ones (Though there are some encounters that can be a pain) and PvP the same as ever (Though different classes are imbalanced now)
I disagree with you on the levelling experience being better. There is no difficulty or effort required to level at this point. If you run a few instances now and then to have a few blues, you will literally one-shot non-elite mobs at your level as a Hunter. Generally it's in your best interest to level in a PvP spec as well, because you can take down anything with your burst combo, often before it can close the gap to hit you. This persists even into much of Cata content, though somewhat mitigated by the HP bloat.

(the rest of this post doesn't have much to do with your's)

Instance runs are completely defanged now that most of the mobs have lost their secondary abilities: meaning that the healer doesn't have to worry about extra things like dispels and positioning. Not to mention the healer can crit for the tank's entire health bar. DPS numbers are so high anyway that you likely wouldn't need one, it would probably be easier to run through it with five Hunters/Frost Mages/Warlocks each using pets to keep them occupied long enough to burn down. Not to mention a lot of the old instances have been greatly cut-down in terms of content. Sunken Temple in particular lost four bosses and most of the trash.

This level of de-fanging I would say is likely the biggest problem that people are having when it comes to endgame content. They're overpowered for 80 levels, largely unchallenged for the last 5... and then suddenly they have to know what to do. Healers haven't been taught how to conserve mana, in fact your efficient heal (your most-cast spell in endgame) has been your most-useless spell during levelling. Likewise, DPS haven't learned to manage aggro or focus targets because they haven't needed to in all the time they've been playing their character yet. You also haven't needed to use any glyphs or enchantments, though you better make sure you have all the right ones (well, glyphs at least) before jumping into heroics, or even the 84-85 dungeons.

But even with this lack of prep aside: getting into Raid content isn't nearly as difficult as people claim it is either. Between rep gear and crafting epics, you can hop into Heroics without much difficulty, at which point it's just running enough to get the right combination of loot drops and badges you need for whatever you're still missing to be raid ready. The dungeon-finder, while particularly sucky if you're one of the many, many, many dpsers waiting in line, is usually populated by people mostly decked out in purples at this point: further making your job easier. Raid content is still in the WotLK blueprint, with just a slight difficulty bump for actually running the content.

As for PvP, I'll agree with you for the most part; I don't feel like much has largely changed with Arena and Battlegrounds. Rated BGs are (at least on my server) largely untouched. The whole obsession with phasing has all but officially removed world PvP from the game, beyond bored 85s one-shotting people Stranglethorn while waiting for queue to pop, which is a shame because "off the rails" PvP has always been one of the more entertaining parts of any MMO.

Cataclysm is a holding pattern. If you liked WotLK, you'll think it was an improvement becuase it's more of the same, if a little more refined. If you were looking for a return to the "golden age" of the game... I've heard good things about Rift.
 

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KalosCast said:
I disagree with you on the levelling experience being better. There is no difficulty or effort required to level at this point. If you run a few instances now and then to have a few blues, you will literally one-shot non-elite mobs at your level as a Hunter. Generally it's in your best interest to level in a PvP spec as well, because you can take down anything with your burst combo, often before it can close the gap to hit you. This persists even into much of Cata content, though somewhat mitigated by the HP bloat.
Well leveling is better for a few reasons:

The quests are more interesting, and at low level the random drops needed for quests have a much higher drop rate (Screw you Westfall...)

You get more of your major abilities at the lower levels meaning your character develops faster and you no longer need to keep training up every single rank for the same ability, causing leveling to be smoother (No more feeling like you do crap damage a level or 2 before the next rank then a god for a level or 2 after the next rank)

The new talent system gives you a very powerful ability at level 10 and makes your spec actually feel like it makes a difference before you get high level.

Killing mobs stupidly fast is much funner than spending 30 seconds to a minute spamming 1-2 abilities to kill the high number of enemies you will face while leveling.