Did Dracula Just Murder an Entire Family!??! Castlevania Rant with Light Spoilers

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stroopwafel

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Also the character and creature art in this game is simply amazing. The enemy and espescially the boss designs are so detailed. The in-game artwork is quite good as well. I hope that whoever did the character designs for this game moves onto other projects.
 

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It's fucking 'vania Dracula dude. He's like the universal badass.

What is a man?

A miserable pile of secrets.

I'd kill a miserable pile of secrets and his family to.

Enjoying the game so far though and I kind of do empathise with Gabriels plight and the damnnation fate has thrust upon him.
 

Robert Marrs

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Its dracula in a very weakened and desperate state. Not Mother Teresa. Slow down dude. Even if its a different setting its still dracula at the end of the day. Its ok to feel sympathy for evil characters. If you try to understand the motivation behind doing bad things you can usually find a reason to have sympathy. Open you mind up a bit to the evil things in life.
 

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Fake outrage without wit is kind of painful to put up with. Trying too hard.

That said, I don't see where the problem lies. Being a monster/huge douchebag while feeling pity for oneself are character traits that can coexhist. In fact, they often do. Hell, a bit of extreme example, but Adolph Eichmann literally pleaded his case as a victim during his trial in Israel.

You can't symphatize with a character that is completely unable to understand the dissociation between his feelings and his actions or the way said actions impact others (case in point, slaughter). A sociopath. I don't know, but it seems to be it's working as intended.
 

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I haven't been paying attention to this whole reboot thing, but isn't Dracula the main villain for the entire Castlevania series? I must have kicked his ass dozens of times now. Or are they doing the Alucard thing again?

Anyway murdering innocents must be a thing for all those button mashers, anyone remember when Kratos thoughtlessly killing dozens if not hundreds of innocent people and then expected us to feel sorry for him? Asshole crushed a random pedestrian to death to use as a doorstop for hells sake, he's an irredeemable asshole.
 

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In lords of shadow, Dracula starts out as Gabriel Belmont and, after going on a quest to resurrect his dead wife, finds out that, under control from The Lord of the dead, he killed his wife and others and, though he kills the lords of shadow and lucifer (who orchestrated the entire thing to get back at god), he is unable to bring back his wife and the ending essentially sees him break down and plead with her to stay with him. Then, after the credits, it flashes forward to present day and shows that The Lord of the dead, zobek, who spent the entire game deceiving and using Gabriel, is still alive after lucifers attempt to kill him and so is Gabriel, who is nearly a mummy and refers to himself as "dracul" the dragon, the prince of darkness.

Originally, the game was going to end with the dlc that came forth later, but konami had mercury steam cut off the stuff explaining why Gabriel is Dracula and make it dlc. Gabriel, after killing satan, is called by Laura, the former underling of the vampire lord of shadows carmilla, to stop an incredibly powerful demon called the forgotten one. In the process of getting to said demon, Gabriel is forced to drink her blood and become a vampire due to only the tainted being able to entire the shadow realm which holds the forgotten one. Said creature is in the process of trying to escape, putting most of his power into a seal breaker that leaves him weakened, but still strong enough to one shot Gabriel. Gabriel is forced to sneak around and circumvent the forgotten ones attempts and, after the forgotten one puts 99 percent of his power into the seal breaker, Gabriel fights him to a standstill. The seal breaks but, before the forgotten one can regain his immense powers, Gabriel steps in the way and absorbs them himself.

That is how Gabriel became Dracula, a vampire with the power of a being powerful enough to challenge even lucifer.
Gabriel rebelled against the world and god for what he perceived as his unfair fate. He was promised false hope, deceived at every turn, and even betrayed by the wife he loved so dearly. Because, it turns out that before he left Marie to seal another demon, they conceived a child named Trevor Belmont. Trevor would go on to become his fathers equal (back when he was still human) and have a son of his own, Simon Belmont. Trevor would go after his father to avenge his mothers death, but he is not strong enough and gets impaled through the chest with his own weapon. Revealing his heritage to Gabriel, who is shown by the "mirror of fate" that it is true, Gabriel is driven insane with grief and tries to save his son, begging him to stay with him, by using his blood. It, apparently, doesn't succeed and Gabriel entombed Trevor, but not knowing his name, calls him "alucard".

Years later, Simon goes to the castle, recovers Trevor's weapon (a copy of the combat cross, the vampire killer that Gabriel used and destroyed after killing the forgotten one) and confronts Gabriel. He is not alone though, for, though it took some time, Trevor is resurrected as a vampire and takes the name "alucard" . Together, alucard and Simon defeat Gabriel (Dracula), but it doesn't stick due to needing the entire combat cross, Simon escapes, alucard goes back to the mirror of fete and gets the stake that Gabriel broke off his vampire killer when killing carmilla, and then he escapes in bat form as the castle crumbles.

Alucard thinks the stake will work, but later, after 50'years and a failed siege by the brotherhood of light, alucard defeats Gabriel but again, only puts him to sleep. Not wishing to fight his son, Gabriel, upon coming back again, stops his wrath on humanity and secluded himself, becoming the mummy Dracula we see in the first games epilogue sequence. And that is where we continue from in the beginning of lords of shadow 2.

And before you ask, this is a new continuity and may likely stick around due to it bringing castlevania back to the mainstream. Konami is likely to continue the lords of shadow sub series, even without mercury steam.

So, in essence, Gabriel has been forced to kill his wife, friends, and, even after accomplishing his initial task, is unable to bring her back. He then is forced to become a vampire to save the world, which essentially stops him from ever hoping to join Marie in heaven, especially having absorbed the forgotten ones powers. Then, later after snapping at gods children, humanity, he unknowingly kills his own son and only finds out just as Trevor dies. Then, for centuries, blood is forced to fight blood and, in the end, he is forced into seclusion. Unable to live, yet unable to die.

Gabriel Belmont is the best Byronic hero we have in gaming right now, at least in my view, even if the story of the lords of shadow isn't as spectacular as the legacy of kain or silent hill.

Any questions?
 

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"DID DRACULA JUST SERIOUSLY MURDER AN ENTIRE FAMILY!?!? THIS DOESN'T WORK, I CAN'T SYMPATHIZE WITH A CHARACTER WHO MURDERS A WIFE AND CHILD!?!?"

*looks at this*

*looks at Elfen Lied*

Meh, I guess so. I'm not against the scene itself, just the way it was poorly implemented. I'd like to see more games make controversial decisions thou, the way Spec-Ops did. That said, this is clearly no Spec-Ops. It's not Elfen Lied either, for that matter. Oh well, when was the last time Konami released a truly great narrative game? I forget.
 

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I'm a hardcore fan of the original Castlevania games and old monster movies, but I have to shake my head at someone getting upset about this.


Dracula is a serial killer with strong rapist overtones who's been operating for hundreds of years, killing thousands or tens of thousands of innocent victims. He's been that way since Bram Stoker, where we see him literally feed a child to his brides.

"Are we to have nothing to-night?? said one of them, with a low laugh, as she pointed to the bag which he had thrown upon the floor, and which moved as though there were some living thing within it. For answer he nodded his head. One of the women jumped forward and opened it. If my ears did not deceive me there was a gasp and a low wail, as of a half-smothered child. The women closed round, whilst I was aghast with horror; but as I looked they disappeared, and with them the dreadful bag. There was no door near them, and they could not have passed me without my noticing. They simply seemed to fade into the rays of the moonlight and pass out through the window, for I could see outside the dim, shadowy forms for a moment before they entirely faded away.

Then the horror overcame me, and I sank down unconscious.
- Dracula, Chapter 3


Among other things.

It's weird that the character has been so sexualized and romanticized through the years that people find it odd (much less "wrong") when Dracula is distasteful. Dracula isn't a good guy, nor was he very sympathetic in the original book.
 

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Robert Marrs said:
Its dracula in a very weakened and desperate state. Not Mother Teresa. Slow down dude. Even if its a different setting its still dracula at the end of the day. Its ok to feel sympathy for evil characters. If you try to understand the motivation behind doing bad things you can usually find a reason to have sympathy. Open you mind up a bit to the evil things in life.
Did... Are you serious? I mean... Really??? Sympathy for an evil character is showing of agreement and understanding, why the fuck would I want agree and understand a complete unredeemable asshole!?!??
 

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Alma Mare said:
Fake outrage without wit is kind of painful to put up with. Trying too hard.

That said, I don't see where the problem lies. Being a monster/huge douchebag while feeling pity for oneself are character traits that can coexhist. In fact, they often do. Hell, a bit of extreme example, but Adolph Eichmann literally pleaded his case as a victim during his trial in Israel.

You can't symphatize with a character that is completely unable to understand the dissociation between his feelings and his actions or the way said actions impact others (case in point, slaughter). A sociopath. I don't know, but it seems to be it's working as intended.
Sorry for my bad attempt at humor. I will try to be more entertaining while still providing a level of believable behavior that I didn't know I even crossed.
 

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Ratty said:
I'm a hardcore fan of the original Castlevania games and old monster movies, but I have to shake my head at someone getting upset about this.


Dracula is a serial killer with strong rapist overtones who's been operating for hundreds of years, killing thousands or tens of thousands of innocent victims. He's been that way since Bram Stoker, where we see him literally feed a child to his brides.

"Are we to have nothing to-night?" said one of them, with a low laugh,
as she pointed to the bag which he had thrown upon the floor, and which
moved as though there were some living thing within it. For answer he
nodded his head. One of the women jumped forward and opened it. If my
ears did not deceive me there was a gasp and a low wail, as of a
half-smothered child. The women closed round, whilst I was aghast with
horror; but as I looked they disappeared, and with them the dreadful
bag. There was no door near them, and they could not have passed me
without my noticing. They simply seemed to fade into the rays of the
moonlight and pass out through the window, for I could see outside the
dim, shadowy forms for a moment before they entirely faded away.

Then the horror overcame me, and I sank down unconscious.
- Dracula, Chapter 3


Among other things.

It's weird that the character has been so sexualized and romanticized through the years that people find it odd (much less "wrong") when Dracula is distasteful. Dracula isn't a good guy, nor was he very sympathetic in the original book.
In the original book. That's not who we're talking about here. When a character as popular as Dracula comes along, there are bound to be different versions of him that can be criticized and evaluated. Sadly, this is the sympathetic anti-hero Dracula that we're talking about. And they just about crossed the line from anti-hero to dickhead.
 

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The Crispy Tiger said:
In the original book. That's not who we're talking about here. When a character as popular as Dracula comes along, there are bound to be different versions of him that can be criticized and evaluated. Sadly, this is the sympathetic anti-hero Dracula that we're talking about. And they just about crossed the line from anti-hero to dickhead.
Yeah, the character of Dracula in Bram Stoker's novel was of course a classic predatory monster. And of course horrendously shallow. MercurySteam with Gabriel is essentially trying to make their version of Lestat de Lioncourt. But whereas Lestat was a complex character whose contradictions in his philosophy made for a very tragic and interesting character, Gabriel is just an inconsistently written twit. If someone wants a GOOD version of what MS is trying, then look no further than Kain from Legacy of Kain
 

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Does Drac actually have moment where he realizes how big of a hypocrite he's been? Does the game use his hypocrisy to show how much sanity and reasoning he's lost (Sort of like SotN Dracula)?

If no and no, then I agree. That scene comes off as an attempt to make him a "darker and grittier" protagonist for the sake of it.
Trevor's ghost-projection thing kind of brings it up down the line a bit.

Back on the OP point, you are basically completely off-control for the scene in question, which is very much portrayed as Dracula being severely injured post-beating from a demon, and completely blood starved, largely acting on instinct. A brief aside in a following scene almost seems to indicate he barely or doesn't remember doing it.

Also, its still Dracula... you murder 50 (if you want, at least 1 to finish the tutorial) guys directly by neck chomping before the intro mission is over (then he kills some other hundred plus in a cutscene). I'm sure they had families too.
 

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Okay, seriously? He hasn't drank any blood in almost a thousand years, he's been trapped in a castle, he just got his ass handed to him by a simple demon, and he's pissed. Why wouldn't he eat those people? Please explain this to me.

I am currently one chapter away from beating this game. I love it. As many people said in this thread, the reviews don't do it justice, especially as someone who adored LoS1 and Mirrors of Fate.
 

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Sarah Kerrigan said:
Okay, seriously? He hasn't drank any blood in almost a thousand years, he's been trapped in a castle, he just got his ass handed to him by a simple demon, and he's pissed. Why wouldn't he eat those people? Please explain this to me.

I am currently one chapter away from beating this game. I love it. As many people said in this thread, the reviews don't do it justice, especially as someone who adored LoS1 and Mirrors of Fate.
Fine, let's go with that. Let's say he's just pissed. He laughs like a madman about eating a wife and child. And this is supposed to me the main character that I have to identify with. It would've been okay if he was "Shit, I got to do this..." Or "God damn it... Sorry kids" But he's like "YES, I'M BACK BITCHES, TIME TO FUCK LITTLE NORA UP!" And that just put me off to the character for the rest of the game. That's some, Kratos at the beginning of the first game, letting that guy get eaten after being taken by the whale shit. BUT unlike God of War, Kratos is an asshole. Gabriel is someone who we're supposed to root for. And anyone who laughs, or more importantly, haves fun/enjoys killing kids is a character I can't root for. Does that make sense?
 

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Sarah Kerrigan said:
Okay, seriously? He hasn't drank any blood in almost a thousand years, he's been trapped in a castle, he just got his ass handed to him by a simple demon, and he's pissed. Why wouldn't he eat those people? Please explain this to me.
By all means, he should be a remorseless beast that acts on malice and hunger. When the game also tries to pass him off as a tragic character you're supposed to root for, however, that's when things get awkward. I haven't played the game, though, so I'm just going by the OP's description. Correct me if I'm wrong and the game is well aware of its protagonist's dickishness.
 

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TheMigrantSoldier said:
Sarah Kerrigan said:
Okay, seriously? He hasn't drank any blood in almost a thousand years, he's been trapped in a castle, he just got his ass handed to him by a simple demon, and he's pissed. Why wouldn't he eat those people? Please explain this to me.
By all means, he should be a remorseless beast that acts on malice and hunger. When the game also tries to pass him off as a tragic character you're supposed to root for, however, that's when things get awkward. I haven't played the game, though, so I'm just going by the OP's description. Correct me if I'm wrong and the game is well aware of its protagonist's dickishness.
Although the game does pass mention of his dickishness here and there, I noticed it mainly sweeps that aside to try cast him in a better light instead (as a tragic hero, like others stated), this especially shows through his various interactions with a certain few characters. All in all, story and character development isn't the game's strong suit but he is at the very least a total badass who does some awesome things though, so its pretty darn fun playing as him regardless.

Anyway, I still feel lost on why so many people downright loathe the game, reviewers especially. Its by no means a masterpiece but its a great improvement over the first one; combat system is lots more fun thanks to the sword and claws adding combo variety, the more gothic horror setting and art design is jaw dropping at times, platforming is really fun and the stealth sequences are fortunately pretty short. I'm actually compelled to play it till the credits roll and I notice that's an increasingly rare thing for me with games nowadays, so its definitely doing something right.
 

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Blitsie said:
TheMigrantSoldier said:
Sarah Kerrigan said:
Okay, seriously? He hasn't drank any blood in almost a thousand years, he's been trapped in a castle, he just got his ass handed to him by a simple demon, and he's pissed. Why wouldn't he eat those people? Please explain this to me.
By all means, he should be a remorseless beast that acts on malice and hunger. When the game also tries to pass him off as a tragic character you're supposed to root for, however, that's when things get awkward. I haven't played the game, though, so I'm just going by the OP's description. Correct me if I'm wrong and the game is well aware of its protagonist's dickishness.
Although the game does pass mention of his dickishness here and there, I noticed it mainly sweeps that aside to try cast him in a better light instead (as a tragic hero, like others stated), this especially shows through his various interactions with a certain few characters. All in all, story and character development isn't the game's strong suit but he is at the very least a total badass who does some awesome things though, so its pretty darn fun playing as him regardless.

Anyway, I still feel lost on why so many people downright loathe the game, reviewers especially. Its by no means a masterpiece but its a great improvement over the first one; combat system is lots more fun thanks to the sword and claws adding combo variety, the more gothic horror setting and art design is jaw dropping at times, platforming is really fun and the stealth sequences are fortunately pretty short. I'm actually compelled to play it till the credits roll and I notice that's an increasingly rare thing for me with games nowadays, so its definitely doing something right.
As someone who hasn't played it, I can say why I loathe it... It doesn't look like a Castlevania game. There's no open world elements, there's none of the RPG elements, there's nothing that really keeps this a Castlevania game, besides a few specific characters. Maybe it's really fun and worth a try, but the fact that this series has evolved this way, just saddens me. It could always be worse though. I could be a metroid fan in 2010...