Direct2drive / steam deliberately evil (borderlands)

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karbonista

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There are a lot of angry customers of Gearbox' Borderlands game, because of dishonest (or at least staggeringly incompetent) digital distribution outlets. I'd like to see at least one of the major gaming news outlets make them sweat over this issue. They do this stuff all the time, and no one holds them accountable.

Not to be overly butthurt about borderlands, but these are just examples of the bullshit they get away with:

1) D2D said borderlands was "avialalbe now" last thursday. It turns out, they meant the *preorder* was available now, but you don't find out about that until after you've paid. The button on their front page didn't say "preorder" like it usually does, it said "DOWNLOAD". OK i got over that bit of butthurt. I was going to buy it anyway, and it wasn't going to be availabe thursday even if D2D hadn't lied.

2) Yesterday, D2D had a countdown timer to the official midnight release time, at which time retailers would begin selling the physical copies. I talked myslf out of canceling the preorder, since it was just a few more hours... Turns out that on a separate page on the website, D2D mentioned that the game would be unlocked at 1pm PST, not midnight. Why have a countdown timer to midnight then?

3) Steam told all their preorders that the game would be unlocked on 10/26 at 1pm. At noon on 10/26 (meaning, just over an hour ago), everyone in Europe and Australia got notified that they wouldn't get the game until 10/30. Again, these are people who preordered believing that they would be playing the game today.

Sure, no one actually lost anything or was materially damaged. EU players weren't going to get to play today, even if Steam hadnt misled them. I wouldn't be playing borderlands before 3pm today, even if D2D hadn't lied to me, twice, to make me think I'd get it sooner. But its precisely because people find it easy to dismiss as pure whinage that D2D and steam continue to get away with this stuff.

Someone, in the next interview or feature on steam or D2D, needs to mention this publicly and get it out in the open.
 

Aunel

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wow, dude that sucks
I got my console copy a day before the actual release, because my store is awesome :D
 

SenseOfTumour

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That's pretty poor, makes you feel like they're just trying to get your money early.

I'm a big fan of Steam, and I've used D2D and the EA games site too, and been happy with all three.

However, this kind of thing is a pretty bad failure on their part.

Surely everyone on the escapist has stood outside a gaming store at ten minutes before opening time waiting for a newly released game, and this is like finally getting into the store, going up to the counter, paying for the game, then they come back and say 'uhh, sorry man, looks like it's not out til the end of the week, no refunds.'
 

Chaossebba

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I was bummed because i was looking for a copy of Borderlands for the PC and only saw the Xbox360 version, silly me forgot the PC release was a bit later. :<
 

Abedeus

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oliveira8 said:
Wait...but Borderlands is suppose to come out on the 30th in Europe/Pal regions.
I don't see the point.

We pre-ordered a DIGITAL PURCHASE. I mean, come on. It's not like they have to ship it to us.

But meh. I already ruined my experience with the game by downloading the torrent. Don't do this - it crashed 3 times on me already... Guess I'll have to endure 2 days on a crappy version.
 

oliveira8

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Abedeus said:
oliveira8 said:
Wait...but Borderlands is suppose to come out on the 30th in Europe/Pal regions.
I don't see the point.

We pre-ordered a DIGITAL PURCHASE. I mean, come on. It's not like they have to ship it to us.

But meh. I already ruined my experience with the game by downloading the torrent. Don't do this - it crashed 3 times on me already... Guess I'll have to endure 2 days on a crappy version.
If the game comes to stores at the 30th it will come to the DD places on the 30th. It was the date chosen by 2K Games and Gearbox NOT D2D or Steam. It's not the DD problem.
 

Something Amyss

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Not to dismiss your irritation, because this sucks. But isn't the steam model pretty damn good overall? As in, reliable? It sucks when there are glitches in the system, and maybe it's more than that (I don't buy many PC games nowadays anyway), but is this even remotely common?
 

Slycne

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Evil? No, obviously some people mad some mistakes which is a little understandable when one title has 4 release dates.

Consoles
NA October 20, 2009
PAL October 23, 2009

Windows
NA October 26, 2009
PAL October 30, 2009

Those dates also weren't secret, while you should in theory be able to trust Steam or D2D to get the release date correct, it would have been pretty simple to find the correct date.

This kind of stuff happens all the time in big box retailers as well.
 

TheGuy

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Oh, what dicks :p. I not going to buy it though, despite the big hype, 'cause I'm looking forward to L4D2 and AC2.
 

Abedeus

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oliveira8 said:
Abedeus said:
oliveira8 said:
Wait...but Borderlands is suppose to come out on the 30th in Europe/Pal regions.
I don't see the point.

We pre-ordered a DIGITAL PURCHASE. I mean, come on. It's not like they have to ship it to us.

But meh. I already ruined my experience with the game by downloading the torrent. Don't do this - it crashed 3 times on me already... Guess I'll have to endure 2 days on a crappy version.
If the game comes to stores at the 30th it will come to the DD places on the 30th. It was the date chosen by 2K Games and Gearbox NOT D2D or Steam. It's not the DD problem.
Stores? I don't care about stores. That's why I pre-ordered a digital purchase. To not worry about whether my store has the game yet or not.
 

oliveira8

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Abedeus said:
oliveira8 said:
Abedeus said:
oliveira8 said:
Wait...but Borderlands is suppose to come out on the 30th in Europe/Pal regions.
I don't see the point.

We pre-ordered a DIGITAL PURCHASE. I mean, come on. It's not like they have to ship it to us.

But meh. I already ruined my experience with the game by downloading the torrent. Don't do this - it crashed 3 times on me already... Guess I'll have to endure 2 days on a crappy version.
If the game comes to stores at the 30th it will come to the DD places on the 30th. It was the date chosen by 2K Games and Gearbox NOT D2D or Steam. It's not the DD problem.
Stores? I don't care about stores. That's why I pre-ordered a digital purchase. To not worry about whether my store has the game yet or not.
You don't care but 2K cares. They made the date 30th for PAl regions and the PAl regions will get it on the 30th.

Simple.
 

SenseOfTumour

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I think it's just always been a usual release date, that US releases games on a Monday, and UK releases games on a Friday.

They could have broken with tradition however, or just been more honest and open about the release date.

Also, I'm very happy with Steam and D2D, Steam especially, and while this didn't affect me, I do find it rare that people have genuine dislike for Steam, short of occasional too high prices, and simple shopping around solves that :D
 

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karbonista said:
There are a lot of angry customers of Gearbox' Borderlands game, because of dishonest (or at least staggeringly incompetent) digital distribution outlets. I'd like to see at least one of the major gaming news outlets make them sweat over this issue. They do this stuff all the time, and no one holds them accountable.

Not to be overly butthurt about borderlands, but these are just examples of the bullshit they get away with:

1) D2D said borderlands was "avialalbe now" last thursday. It turns out, they meant the *preorder* was available now, but you don't find out about that until after you've paid. The button on their front page didn't say "preorder" like it usually does, it said "DOWNLOAD". OK i got over that bit of butthurt. I was going to buy it anyway, and it wasn't going to be availabe thursday even if D2D hadn't lied.

2) Yesterday, D2D had a countdown timer to the official midnight release time, at which time retailers would begin selling the physical copies. I talked myslf out of canceling the preorder, since it was just a few more hours... Turns out that on a separate page on the website, D2D mentioned that the game would be unlocked at 1pm PST, not midnight. Why have a countdown timer to midnight then?

3) Steam told all their preorders that the game would be unlocked on 10/26 at 1pm. At noon on 10/26 (meaning, just over an hour ago), everyone in Europe and Australia got notified that they wouldn't get the game until 10/30. Again, these are people who preordered believing that they would be playing the game today.

Sure, no one actually lost anything or was materially damaged. EU players weren't going to get to play today, even if Steam hadnt misled them. I wouldn't be playing borderlands before 3pm today, even if D2D hadn't lied to me, twice, to make me think I'd get it sooner. But its precisely because people find it easy to dismiss as pure whinage that D2D and steam continue to get away with this stuff.

Someone, in the next interview or feature on steam or D2D, needs to mention this publicly and get it out in the open.
Now it's the same with Modern Warfare 2 and I expect it will be for Left 4 Dead 2. F*** Steam and all it's DRM crap.
 

geldonyetich

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Sounds to me like a procession of incompetent mistakes, not deliberate attempts to screw customers.
 

TheRealCJ

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piscian said:
I live in america
where the terrorist threat level is orange
the beaches are pee warm
and delays are the norm
I do not scorn
I am not forlorn
I'll wait
It'll be Ok
Because I have Mcdonalds, Starbucks,
and unlimited porn
Eloquent, poorly metered, and just a bit more than totally creepy.

a C+ for you, see me after class.
 

Canadamus Prime

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It was probably not a case of them lieing, it was probably a case of something coming up btwn them and the retailer that forced a delay.