Disabled Girl Dating Sim Katawa Shoujo Finally Available
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I can't think of one normal person who would prefer to live in a post-apocaliptic wasteland, yet the Fallout games are pretty popular.Febel said:
Maybe fiction is not so much fantasizing about what you want to do, than about experiencing various themes and plots.
In a way, this thread is a good demonstration of the statement, that "in judging others, everyone's starting point is himself". I mean, it is really telling, which posters are the ones who inherently treat their games as just simulations of their secret desires, imitations of life, and can't see this one as anything more than that either, ans which ones see it as a narrative setting that exists for storytelling's sake.
Oh, yeah, I forgot that one. The people who see a game with disabled people in it, and immediately assume that it must be the audience's kink. It looks like in their brain, "girl without legs" is directly associated with "kinky!!!"rhodo said:
I doubt 21 volunteers just got together and decided "Hey, guys! Lets make a game about fetishes about disabled chicks!". I might play this in the near future.
So this not being a Japanese game and actually being a visual novel... I'm not in denial. It's a story, I also don't believe this is just Sexual exploitation. It tells a story, plain in simple. The subject matter might not be the normal that people see everyday but that's okay.rhodo said:
Oh, loaded questions? I like those. How about this one? Suppose, a certain big publisher releases a murder simulator about fighting russians. Question: would that be a game to raise awareness and respect towards russians, or would it be a game for xenophobic russian-haters?rhodo said:
Or maybe neither, bcause the question is prejudiced from the very beginning of defining the genre. Many people in this thread expressed that "dating sim" dooesn't describe this game (or most other "dating sims", either). It's A VISUAL NOVEL, a linear, literary story with pictures, where there is no simulated dating, or any interactivity other than choosing which basic plotline to read first.
(Assuming that in your vocabulary, "dating sym"= visual novel), There are also "dating syms" about characters trapped in an underwater complex in the near future, about the career of a school band, about Gods and Demons living among humans, about trying to catch a criminal mastermind, or a comedy about the heroine becoming the President of Japan, etc.rhodo said:
Yes, of course every story tries to be unique. Sometimes it's about the characters, sometimes about the setting, or something else.
The game is not Japanese.rhodo said:
And neither is it written FOR japanese people, so it still negates your point about the status of the disability fetish IN Japan.rhodo said:
Actually I'm very comfortable with my hobbies and I play a wide assortment of games. Enzai is also a visual novel, darker and a bit more disturbed. Just because you don't think it meets any intellectual qualifications doesn't downgrade them. Some people are playing this game and have no sexual feelings towards the characters whatsoever.I'm more interested in the story more than anything else. But because it goes against the norm you categorize people as just being in it for the sexploitation of a group rarely mentioned in games but perhaps because it's such an untouched subject more people are curious about this.rhodo said:Ariyura said:
EVERYTHING about this game mimicks japanese videogames. It's not made in Japan, and it's not made by japanese authors.
But it still is a japanese videogame.
And please.... visual novels? Lol. Back when I played dating syms, in my college days, I would never consider them elevated and intelligent novels. I would consider them fun games with a fun story and stereotyped characters.
I repeat, people who don't admit things for what they really are.... Well, are people who don't feel confortable admitting their hobbies.
I played the heck out of "Enzai", back in the days, and I wouldn't call it anything else than a well-made porn for people with an S/M fetish. I sure wouldn't call it a visual novel.
I read a SHITLOAD of hentai manga, I enjoy smutty Harry Potter fanfiction, especially the Ron/Ginny pairing, and I have been looking up My Little Pony Rule 34 on more than one occasion. I'm not trying to defend any of these. I'm a pervert, lol.rhodo said:
And I still say that this Visual Novel still has an intelligent, high quality plot, that I like for the same reason why I like my favorite novels, movies, and video games, namely, that it has an interesting world with interesting people in it, and wouldn't mention it on the same page as any of the above. If it would have no sex scenes, or any visuals at all, I would still love it for it's plot.
I believe, and I could be wrong that it's just taboo. Disabilities and sex in the same place. It's the assumption of why would anyone be interested in that if they didn't have a kink for it. It's harder for people to look at it with an nonjudgmental eye.Alterego-X said:
rhodo also implied to be only familiar with older visual novels, that REALLY had a lot more sexual focus, the idea of just writing a story in the VN format and either missing out the sex entirely, or adding it as an afterthought, is a relatively recent trend.Ariyura said:
I still love the constant write-off this thing is getting as porn. It's so amusing since it seems like most people who are doing it haven't played the thing. One thing that does strike me is that someone mentioned that it took them 5 hours to get to the end of a playthrough. Plus it was mentioned that they were not quite paired with the person they were shooting for, but that became okay once they got to know the person they were paired with.
To me, those things stick out as a distinction you can make in terms of if this is just fetish crap. As I said before, if it was I don't think you'd have 5 hours of reading before finally getting to the content you're supposedly there for. I think that'd be a bit of a turn-off. 75% of people who would be IN it for that kind of thing would probably have probably gone "this is taking too long!" and clicked it off and uninstalled the thing.
Furthermore: not just being able to pick the girl you want? Getting switched? Sounds a bit out-of-place for mere porn, don't you think? The fact of the matter is that As I'm playing through this, I don't see any OBVIOUS ways to get one girl over another at this point. I'm going with the flow and asking myself: "what would I do in this guy's situation?". Which isn't that a mark of a good RPG/Sim? That you actually stop and think about your decisions instead of just picking the obviously good or bad choice?
Is it predictable? Yeah, more than likely to those who are jaded/just have that knack. Can it be viewed as a bit silly/annoying/insulting/whatever that though they're all disabled they're all also 'cute'? Yeah, I can see that.
But no game is without flaws, and consistently it seems like the best way to go as a developer is to contain your flaws in places where most people won't mind them. This game seems to do just that. It's flaw is that it has what can be considered cliche characters and/or personalities. I think that's a reasonable price to pay for an otherwise good game.
To me, those things stick out as a distinction you can make in terms of if this is just fetish crap. As I said before, if it was I don't think you'd have 5 hours of reading before finally getting to the content you're supposedly there for. I think that'd be a bit of a turn-off. 75% of people who would be IN it for that kind of thing would probably have probably gone "this is taking too long!" and clicked it off and uninstalled the thing.
Furthermore: not just being able to pick the girl you want? Getting switched? Sounds a bit out-of-place for mere porn, don't you think? The fact of the matter is that As I'm playing through this, I don't see any OBVIOUS ways to get one girl over another at this point. I'm going with the flow and asking myself: "what would I do in this guy's situation?". Which isn't that a mark of a good RPG/Sim? That you actually stop and think about your decisions instead of just picking the obviously good or bad choice?
Is it predictable? Yeah, more than likely to those who are jaded/just have that knack. Can it be viewed as a bit silly/annoying/insulting/whatever that though they're all disabled they're all also 'cute'? Yeah, I can see that.
But no game is without flaws, and consistently it seems like the best way to go as a developer is to contain your flaws in places where most people won't mind them. This game seems to do just that. It's flaw is that it has what can be considered cliche characters and/or personalities. I think that's a reasonable price to pay for an otherwise good game.
i remember hearing about the the game back in 2009 and approached it,bracing for squick but when i played it i must say that i loved it it was handled tastefully, the characters were more then 2-D cutouts with there disabilities as the main drawing point, but rather there disabilities are a part of them rather then there defining feature.
as i said the characters are great and well thought out Hanako Ikezawa(the burn victim)was my favourite for some reason(i guss i just like the bookish type myself)and the way that they played off each other was great too,again using Hanako as an example , she is incredibly shy and has difficulty opening up to anyone except Lilly, whose blindness helps her cope with her appearance.which i found to be very touching and well thought out.
after i finished the act 1 demo i was eager for more but then was disappointed to fin out that was all there was for now and from what i saw the production of the game had ground to a halt so it looked like the game would fade into the depths of Internet obscurity never to realise its full potential,which was horrible since in the short time i grew attached to all the characters and hope to continue the story but despairing about it, then yesterday i saw the news and downloaded the game immediately and i must say i'm glad that i did. you can tell the game itself was a labor of love and wont disappoint you if you give it a chance despite the seeming ick factor
as i said the characters are great and well thought out Hanako Ikezawa(the burn victim)was my favourite for some reason(i guss i just like the bookish type myself)and the way that they played off each other was great too,again using Hanako as an example , she is incredibly shy and has difficulty opening up to anyone except Lilly, whose blindness helps her cope with her appearance.which i found to be very touching and well thought out.
after i finished the act 1 demo i was eager for more but then was disappointed to fin out that was all there was for now and from what i saw the production of the game had ground to a halt so it looked like the game would fade into the depths of Internet obscurity never to realise its full potential,which was horrible since in the short time i grew attached to all the characters and hope to continue the story but despairing about it, then yesterday i saw the news and downloaded the game immediately and i must say i'm glad that i did. you can tell the game itself was a labor of love and wont disappoint you if you give it a chance despite the seeming ick factor
In my opinion burnscars are pretty moe.
Hey, fans of wRPGs who think that wRPGs are superior to jRPGs because of their "choose your own adventure" style of text bubble choices should get into visual novels like this. They're choc full o' choices, just like wRPGs!
So is "Japanese" a genre of video game now?
Hey, fans of wRPGs who think that wRPGs are superior to jRPGs because of their "choose your own adventure" style of text bubble choices should get into visual novels like this. They're choc full o' choices, just like wRPGs!
What?rhodo said:
So is "Japanese" a genre of video game now?
This sounds like you have something against disabled people, to be honest.GreatTeacherCAW said:
I doubt it's embarrassment she feels when her husband is drawn to romancing cartoon characters while she struggles to get some attention...uzo said:
While I am joking, this could quite possibly be true.
OT: This is just such a Japanese thing, people are so constrained and distanced from each other that they only see real prospects of a social life in dating sims.
Also comes in handy with boring relationships