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Mr.BadExample

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I've heard multiple people express the idea that shop owners cannot discriminate against people because they've opened their shops to the public. They believe that you cannot refuse service to people based upon race, religion, sexuality, gender, and probably a few other innate qualities. Most agree that you can throw out people for other reasons such as the "no shoes, no shirt, no service" rule, for being intoxicated, and of course carrying a weapon (lawfully).

What I would like to know is if businessmen should be able to demand that a person of one of the protected groups who carries a weapon to leave his store (or surrender his property for the duration of the stay) while allowing other people who are not of that group but also carry a weapon to continue shopping as they were. The obvious example would be if one were to disallow the carrying of handguns by black people in an area where the vast majority of violent crime is perpetrated by black people, but one could also stop all men from carrying a weapon while allowing women to do so, prevent people who appear to be in a gang from carrying, or allow Sikhs to carry daggers while barring others from doing so.

I'd also like those who claim that firearms should be banned or heavily restricted in the interest of saving lives to tell me if it's acceptable for the government to discriminate against those who are statistically most likely to commit crimes. We already prevent felons and those with restraining orders from owning weapons which leads to disproportionate discrimination against black males. Should there be barriers preventing the poor from obtaining weapons? How about all black males? What about everyone besides Native Americans and Asians? Would you accept such restrictions if it led to a decline in mortality rates and provided the groundwork for tighter restrictions on the rest of the population?

*Before I'm called a racist, please remember I believe everyone (including felons who've served their time and been judged safe to reenter society) should be allowed to freely purchase and own firearms.
 

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This may be a topic for the ole' political discussion forum, given how heavy it is and how much government policy could enter into it, but I'll give my two cents.

I think what is fair is a sign that says "If you're carrying weapons, I don't wanna see them EVER", and by that disclaimer I believe the owner of an establishment may covereth a multitude of sins without being considered 'anything-ist' or even against guns per se, as it would simply mean 'keep it out of sight while you're here'.

Additional: Banning guns in this country will never happen. Nothing to do with right or wrong or what ideology you're subscribing to. It's just too damn hard to actually DO that, a completely unrealistic endeavour that nobody will want to follow...so the edict would serve no useful purpose even if you got it passed.
 

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Mr.BadExample said:
What I would like to know is if businessmen should be able to demand that a person of one of the protected groups who carries a weapon to leave his store (or surrender his property for the duration of the stay) while allowing other people who are not of that group but also carry a weapon to continue shopping as they were. The obvious example would be if one were to disallow the carrying of handguns by black people in an area where the vast majority of violent crime is perpetrated by black people, but one could also stop all men from carrying a weapon while allowing women to do so, prevent people who appear to be in a gang from carrying, or allow Sikhs to carry daggers while barring others from doing so.
Ah, no. Though the enforcement of this is a bit vague, you could quietly turn a blind eye to certain people if you wanted, same with most discrimination. There's always some excuse unless you are being really careless.

Mr.BadExample said:
I'd also like those who claim that firearms should be banned or heavily restricted in the interest of saving lives to tell me if it's acceptable for the government to discriminate against those who are statistically most likely to commit crimes. We already prevent felons and those with restraining orders from owning weapons which leads to disproportionate discrimination against black males. Should there be barriers preventing the poor from obtaining weapons? How about all black males? What about everyone besides Native Americans and Asians? Would you accept such restrictions if it led to a decline in mortality rates and provided the groundwork for tighter restrictions on the rest of the population?
No, targeting certain demographics like that is a really bad idea.

Hell, almost all school shootings are done by white males, and most violent crime is committed by men. I don't think laws against white men, or men in general are going to go down well.
 

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If someone is going to enter a store with the intention of causing trouble, they're not going to display their firearm in public for all to see, are they? All you're going to do is punish black gun owners who are just minding their own business. No criminal, black or white, is going to walk up and see the sign saying No Guns Allowed and think "Oh well, I'll just have to rob somewhere else".
 

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It's not an idea that you can't discriminate based on race, gender or disibility, it's the law. Adding weapons into it doesn't change that you're singling someone out based on their race.
 

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I'm convinced that any business owner have rights to kick anyone they don't like
It's their loss if it's against common sense, after all

Also in the perfect world we would consider person NOT to be sexist/racist/whatever-ist until proven otherwise
But in real world people tend to jump to conclusions based only on on few biased claims, sadly
 

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I'm from the UK and so for my own country I support the gun control we already have, but if there was the possibility of restricting it so certain minorities... absolutely not. A central tenant of a free and democratic society is that all citizens are treated equally before the law, allowing for of course extra protections for minors and extra restrictions on those who break law.
 

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SourMilk said:
JoJo said:
I'm from the UK and so for my own country I support the gun control we already have, but if there was the possibility of restricting it so certain minorities... absolutely not. A central tenant of a free and democratic society is that all citizens are treated equally before the law, allowing for of course extra protections for minors and extra restrictions on those who break law.
I think it would've been irrelevant anyway...Because they would have just acquired it illegally given what's happened in the past.

Is that a comment about minorities or a comment about gun control? I can't work out what you're getting at here :-/
 

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Businesses reserve the right to refuse service to anybody. It's that simple.

Edit: Swap out gays for minorities and its the same situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBJ2e5f62Co