Discrimination in gaming

[CritialGaming]

Now that gaming has exploded into the mainstream media as a fairly massive chunk of people's entertainment time. The media has always had a negative stance on gaming for some unknown fucking reason, maybe because most of right-wing news dickheads are too stupid to figure out how to handle a controller. The news used to only even looking in the direction of a video game when it involved mass murder and even then only to blame Grand Theft Auto games for bad parenting.

Times have kind of changed. While GTA will probably get the blame the next time a kid shoots up his/her (diversity!) school, now gaming is in the news for a different reason. It seems now everyone wants to play, but now that everyone wants to play a video game. And because everyone wants to play, everyone wants to be represented.

Fair enough.

But people are also in up in arms because every woman in a game has to be a supermodel. This has upset a few people. At the forefront of this outcry is a woman who I wont mention by name because if you follow the news and continue to read you will be able to figure out on your own. Anyway the basic demand is that she wants strong female characters in games with all different kinds of body types and personalities, and wants to personally burn all skin tight outfits like she's never been to a ballet.

Basically she wants what already exists in games.

The strong female leads are splattered all over the gaming universe. But for some quick examples let's point in the direction of Lara Croft (from the NEW tomb raider game), Sarah Karrigan (Starcraft 2), Bayonetta (Bayonetta duh), any female you played for 10 years in your mom's basement in Warcraft, also Jaina Proudmore, Lady Sylvanas, and such. Also keep in mind that I said "Strong" characters not really deep or un-cliche.

Actually what the real complaint is body-type diversity in gaming. Every female is more or less pretty, although I do need to point a finger back at Karrigan, and female dwarves in WoW with a little *cough cough*. Another example here is the floppy ladies in Loadout.

But I get it. The mainstream female is beautiful and basically useless in the story, unless they are the main character *cough Samus Cough*.

Why does the woman always have to play the victim? Why does it all fall down to the big strong man to come save her from the dragon?

Well let's play a little game then. Say you are a generic plumber, you aren't attractive and you probably look like a monkey with your shirt off under all your back and chest hair. When a dragon suddenly shows up and kidnaps your neighbor who happens to be a professional ass kicker and looks like Marcus Fenix from Gears of War. What motivates your hairy fat ass to go save a jerkoff who can probably just as easily kill the dragon and break out of the fortress with enough energy to go to a strip club and fuck everyone in the room?

The answer is, there is none.

The only reason Mario ever did any of that mushroom enduced platforming and fight off a big fire breathing dragon was for some hot princess pussy. Period.

Putting a big powerful dude with a ten inch hog into the "hapless victim" role doesn't work, because it isn't believable. Even if you switch out the male "hero" for a female one, the drama just isn't the same because while a women would kill countless people to save her boyfriend or whatever, if her boyfriend is a big powerful douche like Fenix it still wouldn't work in the story. OF course you could make him a skinny/fat nerd or other wimpy male sterotype, but then the Lollipop chainsaw hero sure wouldn't be risking her tits to save that wuss. I suppose you could make both characters fat, but then your lady hero would have a heart attack trying to get through all the platforming, or get distracted by the closest McDonald's.

The point is that sterotypes exist in the media because that is what is most believable. The big man saving the girl and getting laid for his efforts is a power fantasy that hits directly home to the hearts of many nerds that grew up playing video games and reading comic books. Can games be diverse and have a wide number of male and female hero characters, of all types? Well, yes and the characters named above are only a small number of examples.

But let me bring up the body shape issue briefly. You see most, comic book and video game, artists are guys. Now imagine yourself as a hormone filled thirteen year old who just figured out he can draw like a bad-ass. Do you think for one second he isn't going to draw his dream girl on the cover of his binder? And do you think he is going to waste his fantasy on dressing her like it is Minnasota in December? If you think that you are...well forget it. The only reason this kid is even putting cloths on her in the first place is so he can show off his work in school without getting in trouble.

I don't care who you are, man, woman, teenager, nor do I care what you look like, white, black, skinny, fat, ginger, leper, straight, gay, bi. If I hold up a picture of two women, one who looks like Rosie O'Donnell and the other who looks like Charlise Theron, then I tell you to pick the one you would like to see naked in your bed 99% of you people are going to pick Rosie because obvious......err wait, the other one.


Anyway the point of all of this rambling nonsense is that gaming is diverse. There is no discrimination as people can create any kind of game they want with any kind of characters they want. The reason many characters and situations are stereotypical is because that is what sells to the public. Yes the women are skinny and beautiful, sex sells. It has always sold and always will. There is no reason to get you panties in a bunch over it.

Those people looking for more realistic characters in gaming, or different body shapes. That stuff is there you just have to go get it. But don't ***** that the mainstream public still wants to see Kate Beckonsale in her Underworld leathers.

Also Kate Becksonsale please make another Underworld movie.

 

[Lilani]

I don't care who you are, man, woman, teenager, nor do I care what you look like, white, black, skinny, fat, ginger, leper, straight, gay, bi. If I hold up a picture of two women, one who looks like Rosie O'Donnell and the other who looks like Charlise Theron, then I tell you to pick the one you would like to see naked in your bed 99% of you people are going to pick Rosie because obvious......err wait, the other one.

And if I held up a picture of Dante from Devil May Cry and the Heavy from TF2, which would YOU rather see naked? Yet both of these are video came characters. That's sort of the crux of the problem, which you seem to see but just don't want to admit is a problem. The only time women are protagonists of value in video games is when they are extremely physically attractive, barring one or two exceptions. Do you not see the distressing subtext, here? That all ugly women are evil or of no value? Seeking body diversity in games isn't about seeking "realism," it's about getting out of this stereotype that attractive woman = good and ugly woman = bad.

 

[Erttheking]

Your argument falls kind of flat when you try and point out that not all female characters are beautiful, then you point out Sarah from Starcraft. She's pretty damn attractive. In fact it points out another problem I have with fiction. Female robots aliens and monsters have a tendancy to be humanoid and cute while male ones can be more inhuman. I did a quick google of the dwarves on world of warcraft, and their bodytype is...ok. It's nothing to write home about. It's not standard but it still feels like it's in a safe zone. Call me biased on this one because I'm still impatiently waiting for the day when I can play as a bearded female dwarf. On that note, the dwarves are still very much pretty to look at. Women from loadout on the other hand I will completely give that point to you.

"Why does the woman always have to play the victim? Why does it all fall down to the big strong man to come save her from the dragon?"

No. No no no no no. Are women not allowed to criticize how they're portrayed in video games without being victims who specifically want big strong men to save them? If that's the case, gamers as a whole play victims because complaining non-stop seems to be part of our hobby nowadays, except no one labels them all whiners because they usually fall into that group.

Most artists are guys, honestly, that's a vapor thin excuse. I'm a guy and a writer and I have a healthy cast of female characters that aren't all DDs because I want to GROW as a writer. Men are not slaves to their libidos! In fact, your argument there revolves on treating profession artists the same as a horny thirteen year old. If that's the case, I don't want anything to do with them because they're not gonna provide anything of value.

I don't care which one I'd rather see naked in bed because I care more about a good story than who is more fuckable.

It is? Gaming is diverse? Technically yes, but not in a "We don't need to worry about representation anymore forever!" way. Because I struggle to think of 5 canon homosexual or transexual main characters. And I don't count characters with unset personalities like Commander Shepard in the same way I don't consider blank paper to be an essay. I do count characters like The Boss from Saints Row 2 though, considering that he/she always does certain things and has the same attitude. Plus the female boss is canonically a transexual, which is awesome. Diversity in gaming has made some very impressive steps lately, but it's too soon for us to pat ourselves on the back just yet.

I will "*****" about whatever I damn well fucking please.

 

[Chemical123]

And if I held up a picture of Dante from Devil May Cry and the Heavy from TF2, which would YOU rather see naked? Yet both of these are video came characters. That's sort of the crux of the problem, which you seem to see but just don't want to admit is a problem. The only time women are protagonists of value in video games is when they are extremely physically attractive, barring one or two exceptions. Do you not see the distressing subtext, here? That all ugly women are evil or of no value? Seeking body diversity in games isn't about seeking "realism," it's about getting out of this stereotype that attractive woman = good and ugly woman = bad.

I am curious about the last statement you have made, there are so many super attactive female villains in video games that I do not even know where to start. In fact, I typed in female villains in video games into google and I immediately found a bunch top 10, 25 lists with such ugly characters like Harley Quinn, Selvaria(Valkyria Chronicles), Ada Wong(RE), Raven (Gravity Rush) and Kerrigan. If anything the ugly characters are an exception. In fact, I would say that male villains are the ones who are more likely to be physically abhorrent.

Now this brings me to a different issue are female characters more likely to be attractive? Yes, they are. Is it because there is discrimination? I do not think so and here is why:

Firstly, there is a higher proportion of attractive characters in video games in general. Find any list of protagonists and you will find average looking at worst, gorgeous people at bet.

Secondly, one does not dare make female characters that deviate from the rest. Make a female character weak and you quickly find people screaming at you that you are just making a weak character for a male character to save the day. Make her strong and people accuse you of creating a Mary sue.

Finally, there is a gender discrepancy between different genres of games. There are genres that are almost completely dominated by males (FPS), where it is roughly half and half (RPGs) and dominated by women (mobiles games). But for some reason we completely ignore the genres dominated by women which skews the data immensely. Is it so suprising that publishers do not want to risk their money making FPS franchise by making the protagonist female, and vice versa?
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/27/report-men-play-more-mmos-fpses-women-rule-mobile-rpg/
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/WaiYenTang/20140725/221936/Four_studies_on_videogame_genre_preferences.php

TLR
Discrimination in media is a chicken and an egg problem. Fix the discrimination in society and media portrayal will change.

 

[Erttheking]

Oh god, it's gonna be a bloodbath in several hours, before that I'll comment.

The problem with games today, or the entire western society actually, is entitlement. People believe that everything should be according to their world view because they are special little snowflakes and can't possibly be wrong, even if they don't actually play video games that much or even bother to pay for the game they want to be tailor made for them. Like it or not, gaming is only getting more popular despite adhering to "sexist" rules (which are just traditional hollywood/anime rules) because guess what? thet stuff sells really well.

I can bet some people here will start screaming that the topic is trying to "ignore them and shut their mouths" despite it just being an opinion of a single dude/dudette.

Also about body types, almost everyone is pretty in games, and villains will be ugly only for "beauty equal goodness" trope, the build of most action heroines will be athletic build because that's the most obvious build for them.

I'be never heard of right wind media on hate for gamings usually it's "those damn liberals".

People believe everything should be their worldview and they're a special snowflake that can't be wrong? Yeah pretty much. Problem is that goes both ways. If you think, for a second, that the OP is any less stubbornly sticking to his viewpoint than I am to mine, well, that simply isn't the case. Yeah it is selling well, but so is call of duty and we don't stop criticizing that for five seconds. I fail to see how selling well acts as a shield against criticism. Also, you can buy something and like it and still criticize it. If I buy, say for example, Persona 5 and I think the story is awesome, the female characters are cool but I find that they didn't handle one that well, I'm going to criticize it and that criticism is still relevant. Heck, Persona 4 was awesome but I don't feel the game handled Naoto's gender identity sub-plot very well. The fact that "you're fine just the way you are" was the comment you could say to her she liked the most but if you wanted to romance her you couldn't say that and had to say "I'm glad you're a girl" still leaves a bad taste in my mouth despite the fact that I LOVE Naoto as a character.

It goes beyond being simply an opinion when it tells me to stop bitching.

Yes they are, and it's annoying. Put some ugly main characters in already, I'm sick of playing pretty people.

 

[Phasmal]

What's with the flare-up of the `shut up about diversity` threads?
They come back like nasty rashes.

Seriously though, this thread is just a complain-train about how you don't want other people to complain about things.
It's not going to happen, dude. Games are huge, and gamers are diverse people, they're gonna want things. Telling them to shut up about the things they want or throwing them an example or two isn't going to change anything.

 

[Zontar]

Oh dis goin be good

OT: The problem with gaming, as has been stated above, isn't discrimination, it's that some people take issue with there being games which they don't like being made, and some of these people actively try and have those games no longer made through failed boycotts and shaming tactics.

I don't like most horror games because they reply on jump scares and I'm into existencial horror, I don't like most modern FPS' because they're too individual based and I prefer co-op if I'm playing online, I don't like walking simulators because they aren't really much of a game and I get a better experience reading a book when it comes to telling the same story through medium.

Does that mean I think none of these type of games shouldn't be made? Hell no, someone out there likes them (that's why they keep getting made after all) and so long as it doesn't interfere with me playing the games I like what do I care what floats their boat?

But the problem is: there are people who do think that the games they don't like should not be made, and that's a problem (especially when a lot of it is coming from people who either don't even play games, or don't pay for them).

 

[Erttheking]

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If you're gonna be complaining about what people are doing, can you at the very least complain about things they're actually doing? No one is trying to get all sexy characters ever made banned. If they were there would've been more backlash against Bayonetta.

And once again, the classic "people who complain about these things don't actually play games" something that is true in only a handful of cases. Most of the time it's a completely baseless statement with no evidence to back it up and really seems more like something you WANT to be true than is actually true. Reminds me of the time Zayra came out and people said "The people who complained about body types in Overwatch weren't actually going to play it!" Even though I complained about it but still wanted to play it. I STILL want to play it.

 

[CritialGaming]

I do apologize if anyone thought I was trying to start a war or tell people to shut up. I don't want people to shut up, I want them to scream and cry from the rooftops. But I want them to aim their cries in a direction that matters. Cry for better stories in games, cry for better characters from a personality and motivational stand point.

Stop crying about the size of waist lines, tits, and type of junk dangling between legs or lack thereof.

If games make a step up to tell good stories and provide good gameplay, then the diversity issue should solve itself. At least in a sense. However people need to be aware that physical appearance is always going to be highly regarded in media. Movies, games, books, all have what seems to be a "You must be this pretty to star" line.

While we all cry out to give us average or even fugly main characters. But play a 100 hour RPG in which the main character is build like the Stay-Puff Marshmallow man and sounds like nails on a chalk board every time he/she speaks. No matter how deep that character might be, or how well written it is, I feel like that kind of thing wouldn't really work.

One thing I do find amusing is that games made from all kinds of cultures and countries, still have this attractiveness thing as an issue. The Russian-made Metro games have strip clubs with perfect looking women, Japanese games have main character men that look like attractive women.

Come to think of it. You think people in Japan ***** that Capcom isn't letting make ugly Monster Hunters?

 

[Phasmal]

I do apologize if anyone thought I was trying to start a war or tell people to shut up. I don't want people to shut up, I want them to scream and cry from the rooftops. But I want them to aim their cries in a direction that matters. Cry for better stories in games, cry for better characters from a personality and motivational stand point.

Stop crying about the size of waist lines, tits, and type of junk dangling between legs or lack thereof.

So people can only complain about things you think are important? Nah.

I want more lady characters in games, and I'm not about to apologise for that. I'm not burning down game studios, or ruining gaming, and I've been playing games for over twenty years- why can't I complain about these things?
Because some game developers might change something? So what?

Also you're talking about people demanding ugly characters, which I haven't really seen- at all.

 

[CritialGaming]

So people can only complain about things you think are important? Nah.

I want more lady characters in games, and I'm not about to apologise for that. I'm not burning down game studios, or ruining gaming, and I've been playing games for over twenty years- why can't I complain about these things?
Because some game developers might change something? So what?

Also you're talking about people demanding ugly characters, which I haven't really seen- at all.

The question is...if the story is good and the gameplay is good, why does the appearance of the characters matter? All that should matter is whether or not the characters were good and fit well within an overarching story that was also good.

When I was a kid we had anti-bullying rallies. We were taught that people are people and sex, age, beliefs, skin color, weight, height, all didn't matter. People are people.

In this case, shouldn't characters simply be characters? If the character is written well what does it matter if they are a boy or girl or tentacle monster?

 

[Erttheking]

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So you say that you apologize if I thought you were telling me to shut up...then you tell me to "stop crying" Yeah...first of all, I'm not gonna stop crying, second of all, I find it hilarious that people constantly say SJWs are pro-censorship, and then I turn around and find a thread telling me to shut up about complaining about how gaming could be doing a lot better in the diversity department.

It's always going to be highly regarded? Says who? Thousands of years ago being fat was considered attractive because it meant you had plenty of food and was considered a sign of status, just like having long fingernails was a sign that you didn't have to work. Our sense and importance of beauty is not written in stone and I am not satisfied with just saying there's no getting around it.

Uh, maybe you do, personally I can't remember ever playing a game like that.

Yeah? And? Because a lot of people are doing it that automatically invalidates all complaints about it? First of all, Metro was made in the Ukraine, not Russia. Second of all, that entire scene made me roll my eyes because it was a game with a downright brilliant story that came up with a contrived reason to go to a strip club, which always strikes me as games trying to prove how mature they are and comes off as a little desperate.

I don't care what people in Japan are doing. Because frankly Japan's culture is more than a little fucked up. American culture is too, but at least there are people here addressing it. Women in Japan are raised to be submissive and people in Japan in general are taught to be obedient to authority, so addressing the problems is something that isn't really happening.

 

[Phasmal]

The question is...if the story is good and the gameplay is good, why does the appearance of the characters matter? All that should matter is whether or not the characters were good and fit well within an overarching story that was also good.

When I was a kid we had anti-bullying rallies. We were taught that people are people and sex, age, beliefs, skin color, weight, height, all didn't matter. People are people.

In this case, shouldn't characters simply be characters? If the character is written well what does it matter if they are a boy or girl or tentacle monster?

Okay, so if it doesn't matter- then it's fine for me to request more female characters.
After all- it doesn't matter!

The bottom line is- some people think it matters.
If you're one of those who think it doesn't, that's grand! You'll get a bunch of different type of characters or the same characters and you'll be one happy camper.
If you think it does matter- getting more variety is better, so you'll be happy with different types of characters.

So either way, more diversity is better if you truly believe it does not matter.

 

[Erttheking]

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You know, business analysts are the reasons for a lot of shit we have to deal with in the gaming industry. The over-saturation of free to play games, publishers saying that Remember Me couldn't have a female character, the people who said Ellie couldn't be on the cover of Last of Us. I'm not sure they should have the kind of influence they do. And is that actually a thing? Is a female character going to drastically reduce sales to any level? We're not talking about small studios are we? In fact, small studios very rarely come up in these discussions.

Pretty much. It's why I don't take "This is popular" as a reason to stop complaining.

Well then, if it's his opinion that I should "stop bitching" then people "screaming that the topic is trying to "ignore them and shut their mouths"" is a perfectly legitimate response. Really that's just their opinion if we're going by these standards.

 

[Zontar]

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If you're gonna be complaining about what people are doing, can you at the very least complain about things they're actually doing? No one is trying to get all sexy characters ever made banned. If they were there would've been more backlash against Bayonetta.

Did I say there was a large group of people trying to get sexy characters banned? No? Then why did you bring that up?

All I stated was the fact that there is a small but very vocal group trying to have games they don't like removed or changed.

And once again, the classic "people who complain about these things don't actually play games" something that is true in only a handful of cases. Most of the time it's a completely baseless statement with no evidence to back it up and really seems more like something you WANT to be true than is actually true. Reminds me of the time Zayra came out and people said "The people who complained about body types in Overwatch weren't actually going to play it!" Even though I complained about it but still wanted to play it. I STILL want to play it.

If you want to play it then play it, it's not as if in that specific case a character having a specific skin will change anything in a 100% gameplay oriented game. The people complaining on that specific topic where going out of their way to complain about something, and given how many people even play that game it's a very safe bet to make the assumption most who where complaining did neither had, nor had the intent of, playing it.

It certainly is the case with a lot of people making these complaints that they either don't play the games they complain about, or play games at all. I don't have to bring up the infamous "I'm not a gamer, I don't play games" video for an outspoken anti-games critic (who despite all logic is taken seriously by some people).

I'm not saying all the people who complain about these issues don't play games or don't play the ones they complain about, but it is a factual statement to say the most well known ones do not.

 

[Erttheking]

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If you're gonna be complaining about what people are doing, can you at the very least complain about things they're actually doing? No one is trying to get all sexy characters ever made banned. If they were there would've been more backlash against Bayonetta.

Did I say there was a large group of people trying to get sexy characters banned? No? Then why did you bring that up?

All I stated was the fact that there is a small but very vocal group trying to have games they don't like removed or changed.

And once again, the classic "people who complain about these things don't actually play games" something that is true in only a handful of cases. Most of the time it's a completely baseless statement with no evidence to back it up and really seems more like something you WANT to be true than is actually true. Reminds me of the time Zayra came out and people said "The people who complained about body types in Overwatch weren't actually going to play it!" Even though I complained about it but still wanted to play it. I STILL want to play it.

If you want to play it then play it, it's not as if in that specific case a character having a specific skin will change anything in a 100% gameplay oriented game. The people complaining on that specific topic where going out of their way to complain about something, and given how many people even play that game it's a very safe bet to make the assumption most who where complaining did neither had, nor had the intent of, playing it.

It certainly is the case with a lot of people making these complaints that they either don't play the games they complain about, or play games at all. I don't have to bring up the infamous "I'm not a gamer, I don't play games" video for an outspoken anti-games critic (who despite all logic is taken seriously by some people).

I'm not saying all the people who complain about these issues don't play games or don't play the ones they complain about, but it is a factual statement to say the most well known ones do not.

Well we're talking about sexy characters and you talk about how people were trying to get games they didn't like removed. I admit to making a bit of a leap but frankly looking at your post it still comes off that way. Just the combination of what you said and the fact that it was in response to an OP complaining about people complaining about female characters. Really it just looks that way.

Can you prove this? Because I know plenty of people who were still going to play Overwatch who complained about it. In fact, I know some people who said that Zayra made them want to play the game even more. I think I even caught one person who said that Zayra alone would make her play it. People going out of their way to complain about something hardly indicates that they had no interest in the game prior. Heck, a majority of the complaints I saw about the body types were in threads showing off the trailers and gameplay.

I still consider that to be circumstantial evidence at best, especially considering it becomes more irrelevant with every passing year. If you went back five years and pulled up posts that I wrote, odds are it wouldn't reflect my current mindset at all. Heck, I barely cared about story in games at all when I first joined up here and I thought Gears of War was a good story. Christ, when I was in middle school I said marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and now I want to travel back in time to smack my past self. People change.

Yeah, "factual" is beyond a stretch. It means provable beyond a doubt. I need more than a five year old comment to be convinced beyond a doubt.

 

[Zontar]

I still consider that to be circumstantial evidence at best, especially considering it becomes more irrelevant with every passing year. If you went back five years and pulled up posts that I wrote, odds are it wouldn't reflect my current mindset at all. Heck, I barely cared about story in games at all when I first joined up here and I thought Gears of War was a good story. Christ, when I was in middle school I said marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and now I want to travel back in time to smack my past self. People change.

I'm sorry, but there's no way one goes from "I know literally nothing about games" to "I'm a life-long gamer who has a high level of familiarity with them" in the span of 3 years. People do change over time, that is true, but they don't change in a way that retroactively makes half or more of their past different. I've been playing video games since I was 6 and following many of the major gaming sites, publication and (while they where still around) magazines since my early teens, and I don't pretend there aren't large swaths of the industry I know nothing about or that a massive part of the history of gaming before my time is unknown to me.

To say someone can get all that knowledge and more in three years is ludicrous, and that idea is only made more so once one looks at the product of that 3 years change which only reinforces the "outsider looking in" idea instead of "outsider who changed, became an insider, then went on to claim they where never an outsider to begin with".

 

[Erttheking]

I still consider that to be circumstantial evidence at best, especially considering it becomes more irrelevant with every passing year. If you went back five years and pulled up posts that I wrote, odds are it wouldn't reflect my current mindset at all. Heck, I barely cared about story in games at all when I first joined up here and I thought Gears of War was a good story. Christ, when I was in middle school I said marriage should only be between a man and a woman, and now I want to travel back in time to smack my past self. People change.

I'm sorry, but there's no way one goes from "I know literally nothing about games" to "I'm a life-long gamer who has a high level of familiarity with them" in the span of 3 years. People do change over time, that is true, but they don't change in a way that retroactively makes half or more of their past different. I've been playing video games since I was 6 and following many of the major gaming sites, publication and (while they where still around) magazines since my early teens, and I don't pretend there aren't large swaths of the industry I know nothing about or that a massive part of the history of gaming before my time is unknown to me.

To say someone can get all that knowledge and more in three years is ludicrous, and that idea is only made more so once one looks at the product of that 3 years change which only reinforces the "outsider looking in" idea instead of "outsider who changed, became an insider, then went on to claim they where never an outsider to begin with".

Even back when she made that video she said that she had done research about them. So not exactly "I know literally nothing about games" And she didn't even say that, she said "I'm not a gamer" which doesn't necessarily equal knowing nothing about games. I don't think my little cousin identifies as a gamer, even though I've seen him do things in minecraft that puts me to shame.

Well she's not pretending to be an expert on all things videogame, she's focusing on a specific area. And to be frank, I don't get why we need to go for this shaky claim for Anita when there are so many legitimate claims to have about her. Her videos are poorly researched, unengaging, veer a little into captain obvious territory at times and are overall painfully average. I don't get why we need to start reaching into the realm of uncertainties. It happens a lot with video games, people having to reach and make outrageous complaints when there are perfectly grounded ones just dotting the ground.

Then again we've gotten derailed from your original post of "people don't want video games they don't want made" which is irrelevant to this topic if you're not talking about sexy female characters and untrue if you are.