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novixz

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"Lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross?"

-Bill Hicks.

Do you think this quote is true, and maybe some of you people with crosses around you'r necks might want to reconsider that. Don't get me wrong I'm not pushing my religion on you and I think you have every right to believe the things you do, this is purely for discussion reasons. I think it's interesting. So Escapists, what do you think?

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Not G. Ivingname

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That has to be a very good point, although he may understand our worship of the event that opened the gates of Heaven back to us fleshy humans.
 

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Well, for me, I think he might see it as a way of us not forgetting what he did.

So, in short, no.
 

BonsaiK

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Although Bill Hicks certainly has a point, I'd like to think that if I was the son of God, I wouldn't let a little detail like that get to me. I think I could rise above something like that even if it did bother me a little.
 

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I think its a funny little joke, but there isn't any discussion value in it...

If Jesus put himself on the cross to die for all man's sins, then people wearing the cross would be their way of acknowledging his sacrifice. The cross is a symbol.

Or something like that. Basically, you're over-thinking it.
 

Vern5

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I think its true. Just reading through Jesus' life exploits, one could assume that his very nature would put him at odds with the Church and its heavy dependence on symbols.

Think about it like this: If Christianity is supposed to be the religion of guiding hope to the blighted mass that is humanity, then why do Christians venerate the image of one of the most painful and inhumane execution devices ever constructed from a few pieces of wood and rope?
 

AlwaystheUnlucky

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Vern5 said:
Think about it like this: If Christianity is supposed to be the religion of guiding hope to the blighted mass that is humanity, then why do Christians venerate the image of one of the most painful and inhumane execution devices ever constructed from a few pieces of wood and rope?
That's a good point, but the way I was taught, that's only the surface. It is a symbol of victory. The moment that Christ died for the world was the moment when the world had a chance for salvation. It represents one of the purest forms of christian love, dying for the sake of one's friend. It also represents the cross of the individual. Just like how Jesus was ready to die on the cross for his friends, a christian must be ready to die on the cross for his faith.

OT:I'm sure that while Jesus would be a little shaken from being reminded of the pain (especially if he's anything like his depiction in Saint Young Men, but then Buddha would be there to comfort him), he would appreciate the fact that people can express the faith without persecution. However, he might not be so glad when its being used for more... decorative reasons.
 

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I don't intend to get into a debate on religion, because that is what this will eventually boil down to. All I know is my own opinion and frankly don't give two-shits about anyone else's unless I'm sitting in the same room as them so that they can tell me directly.

As for what my opinion is on this subject...who cares? He's not going to come back?

Or if he is, then he's definitely not coming back as himself. I think that when Jesus comes back is the time when humanity actually deserves to be saved. And right now, it doesn't. Not one itsy-bitsy bit.

...well, unless by "saved", it can be understood as "culling the herd".

And besides...who's to say he hasn't already?
 

LobsterFeng

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Well seeing as how he's supposed to be an omnipotent being who knows the thoughts and intentions of all people, and knows that Christains mean it as a symbol of hope when they wear a cross. No.
 

Daselthechaz

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I'll throw my overthought into this one as well.

Were one to consider the words and teachings of Jesus rather than just the last crappy, quiet day of His life, a few points on the crucifixion would become apparent that are fairly important. The most important of these is that the whole event was just he last, crappy, quiet day of Jesus' life, which lasted 30 years; was chock full of lessons on how to live instead of how to die; and was already a twinkly thought in God's head before the world (that is to say the laws of physics and everything that has occurred since they started acting on the universe's supply of matter/energy, regardless of the time frame you buy into) was created. Were I Jesus--despite having the perspective one gets from being around effectively forever--I'd be extremely upset that the part of my message everybody latched onto was not any of the paragraphs coming out of my mouth, but the big wooden exclamation point at the end.

Aside from that, the scripture is FILLED to the brim with invectives against wearing your faith "on your sleeve." Christians are to be recognizable by their actions and motives. Even in the old testament, the law included explicit remarks about the kind of punishment people would receive if they put up altars to God (hint: fast moving rocks were involved) composed of metal or wood, worked with man-made tools. Every time God commanded someone to make him an altar, they just stacked up a bunch of rocks that were around at the time, because the very Earth itself is to be recognized by true believers as being a testament to God's power, generosity and artistry. The exception to this was the temple and ark of the covenant, which were ordered to see that God's people have an ever-present focal point for their religious efforts TOGETHER. Hence the dramatic efforts to quell the building of substitute temples in "the high places" throughout the history of Israel. The other, non-commissioned temples separated Israel from itself and from its eldest, most studied theologians.

But I digress. The cross was not something that Jesus died on alone by a long shot. Hell, there were two other dudes being executed NEXT TO HIM at the time of his death. It was an instrument of torture and destruction, and as long as Christians associate it as the focal point for the most important event in history, then we will also extol torture and destruction, which is what has turned so many sensible people against us. I don't know what symbol I'd use to show it, but a greater emphasis must be placed upon the idea that before Jesus died for us (which is significant, but not the sum of his actions) Jesus LIVED for us, stepping away from the right hand of God to spend a life time amongst everything that is wrong with this world...us. That was the real sacrifice, and the time spent in it contained nothing but gifts both miraculous and philosophical. Perhaps we should all just carry around books....
 

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Presumably, that's the reason he hasn't showed up again.

Ho ho ho, I am so amusing in a not-at-all amusing way.
 

LawlessSquirrel

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It is an incredibly morbid symbol, but it's just a symbol. I wear one all the time, not because it's about Jesus' death, but as an artifact of what is a part of my personal identity.

A full sized crucifix with a "Jesus Goes Here" stamp with surely cross the line, but the cross as an artifact is just a symbol representative of the ideals, and nothing more.
 

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Well, if I was Jesus (Which I am not) I would kind of hate having millions of people following me and asking for food, healing and blessings. I'm pretty sure at one point or another in the bible someone kissed his feet. That was a long time ago and the childrens bible though so maybe I'm wrong.
 

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Trippy Turtle said:
Well, if I was Jesus (Which I am not) I would kind of hate having millions of people following me and asking for food, healing and blessings. I'm pretty sure at one point or another in the bible someone kissed his feet. That was a long time ago and the childrens bible though so maybe I'm wrong.
You're right. And it was a prostitute.

If any one wants to know I can explain in personal messages.

OT: He died on the cross to save mankind and now it is a symbol of that sacrifice so he'd probably like that most of us care.
 

WolfThomas

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I wear a crucifix (not a cross). What I can't stand is the blinged out crosses I see on some people. It's meant to be a sombre icon of respect and faith not a fashion symbol.