NimbleJack3 said:
puppydogvaan said:
My other favorite hero, Hiroaki Protagonist from Snow Crash, has no flaws.
Holy crap. I'm reading that book AT THIS VERY MOMENT. I thought it was little known. It makes pizza delivery sound like life-or-death.
And skateboard mail delivery.
But no, it's not all that unknown, at least among sci-fi readers. Ask such people to list cyberpunk novels off the top of their head and it'd be second, after Neuromancer.
Vrex360 said:
Like for instance one example is Rorschach from Watchmen. He has firm ethics and is frankly very awesome in his monolouges but his extreme right wing attitude is one of the things I find distasteful about him... killing people is fine and so is being a sociopath just try to be more left wing about it.
Also once again Ashley Williams from Mass Effect, I was charmed by her wit and chemistry with Shepard combined with her emotional weakness. But she had clealry been raised by her racist family and was having trouble changing her values (even though it's clear throughout the game that she is trying).
First, I have to ask whether you're joking about the "be more left wing" thing. You actually don't mind murderers and sociopaths so long as they're more liberal about it?
These are my absolute favourite types of characters in all fictiondom. Ashley Williams, Rorschach, Walt Kowalski (Gran Torino). Intolerant bastards who are still human and still have a hard moral core to them. Perhaps if Hollywood/novelists/comic writers/games writers were more willing to write such characters I wouldn't love them so much - their relative rarity being part of their beauty - but as political thought is among the intelligentsia, they're rare and I love them. Apparently it's alright to portray murderers and other violent criminals as human (no particular example comes to mind but I'm certain there are many) but
racists? Inhuman bastards, the whole lot of 'em. There's something truly messed up in that line of thinking - that to dislike/hate people in the abstract (but not necessarily do anything about it) is beyond contempt but murder is forgivable.
Anyway, I'll stop there.
But in all honesty, Rorschach (and Walt Kowalski) was who I was gonna talk about. The fact that a comic book could conceivably allow readers to sympathise with a far-right nutjob like Rorschach says something about Alan Moore as a thinker and a writer (and a person). Rorschach gradually becomes more and more morally repugnant until you
get him. He simply sees the worst side of humanity and refuses to give in to it. And in his final choice to oppose *SPOILER* Ozymandias' scheme, even unto death, *END SPOILER* you see that he is morally stronger than any of the rest of them. His morals might not be right in the reader's view, but they were his from beginning to end.
Walt Kowalski is basically the same so I won't repeat myself, though he softens in the movie, becomes more acceptable to our sensibilities and still follows his moral code all the way through the movie.