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I am NOT a professional review writer so please take this with a grain of salt. The following are simply my opinions, albeit fairly well informed ones. Also I recommend understanding there will be SPOILERS below as I am going to explain exactly WHY I think what I do about this movie.


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Sometimes when going out to see a movie with a lot of promise that winds up falling flat on it's face it surprises me when that same movie winds up receiving so many positive reviews in the fandom community. I guess with so many fairly banal science fiction and fantasy movies out there, that any twitch of semi-life is seen as a big success to some, I however think we can expect more.

What District 9 basically is, is an unusually insipid politically correct rant hidden behind the veneer of very weak science fiction, which takes a back seat to the "statement". Oh yes and there is some decent eye candy here and there as well, but truthfully I feel that was there was kind of ruined by other factors within the movie.


The basic plot is "Alien Nation" as re-envisioned by a pack of retarded chimpanzees. Basically a space ship comes to earth, the aliens on board it are mostly low-caste "workers" with little in the way of skills and incapable of using a lot of their own tech effectively never mind getting their ship to work. Pretty much Alien Nation verbatim, except in this case we're dealing with lobster-like "Prawns" as opposed to fairly human looking aliens with bald heads and spots.

Where "Alien Nation" through both the movies and TV series was able to fill in a lot of the blanks, and cover most of the bases, providing a *fairly* realistic picture of first contact with and the intergration of another life form, District 9 pretty much decides to forsake any kind of logic for the sake of making a political statement.

Basically, we are treated to a morality tale in the holy land of racism: South Africa. The "wonderful" nation where we went from having a long term regime of whites oppressing blacks, only to be replaced by a regime where things were reversedto blacks oppressiong
whites after outside interferance. Things staying largely the same and the region remaining a quagmire.

Into this little slice 'o heaven we drop a group of aliens, who are of course oppressed by humans in an odd parallel to all of the racism and oppression in the region.

Had an alien ship arrived over the third world, first world nations would be all over it. Nobody would be saying "gee, why don't we let a corperate conglomerate of mercenaries and businessmen run everything". Even if one could not get the technology to work, you'd have people from all over the globe up in the space ship itself trying to reverse engineer it.

You'd also have the aliens themselves being brought all over the globe, as opposed to being dumped in some politically touching refugee hell hole. Studies on biology, linguistics, and everything else. Pretty much every academic on the planet would want to spend some time with these guys.

Yet a key point of this movie is basically that even after "cracking the hull" of the alien ship people just go "oh gee, there is no command circuit and we can't get anything to work" and give up.

What's more the "deep secret" of the corperate alliance running things is that they are trying to engineer gene tech to use alien hand weapons and such. Not really a bad thing until you realize that the entire operation is written by morons. See apparently these guys are vivisectioning aliens and such to figure out how they tick. You know, sort of like technology hasn't progressed any since Dr. Mengele in the 1940s and we don't have modern medical devices for analyzing bodies and such (CAT scans, etc...). Research I might add which would have every medical facility on earth doing back flips to get in on. If I was running the "secret" (but really just common sense) research on how to activate the DNA locks on alien tech (while of course other teams would be looking at the science itself in hopes of reverse engineering it) I'd simply be gathering the information collected by like.... oh Yale, rather than slicing up aliens with the cutting edge of nearly 70 year old science. Plus nature being what it is there are going to be corpses to examine without needing to intentionally create them. :)

I guess the point of this "review" though it's more of a warning and synopsis, is to say "wait for tape". It's not all it's cracked up to be. There are some decent ideas at play here, but honestly all of them are retreads of things that have been done better elsewhere. If you stop and think about this movie you'll be going "huh" quite a few times.

The movie is pretty good when you want to see a shallow metaphor for racism and the politics of a converversial nation. This is a movie where your going to have what seems to be private multinational corperations (a common bad guy) running an alien ghetto system that is undergoing a thinly veiled equivilent of the misunderstood "Trail Of Tears". There will be a protaganist who admittedly does develop as a character (going from truely reprehensible to almost tolerable), and plenty of gore, explosions, and even an alien mech.

In the end though if you try and analyze it to the point of say trying to write your own paper and pencil RPG setting/adventure about it, you'll find there are just so many problems and things that don't make any sense that it's ridiculous.

Contrary to what people say this is *NOT* a smart movie, it's just not totally lobotomized like a lot of other movies recently. I mean they actually HAVE a metaphor for some real world issues for example, despite the fact that it's a bad one. You also have a character who changes signifigantly over the course of the movie, which stands out largely in comparison to movies where there is none.

I sort of feel like Yahtzee did last year when he reviewed Grand Theft Auto IV positively and then later recanted it when better games came out, by simply pointing out that there was so much schlock that ANYTHING remotely decent looked better than it actually was in comparison to what else was out there.

Truthfully if you like the "District 9" premise I recommend going out and getting a boxed set of the "Alien Nation" TV series or something. Not the best thing out there, but it did these ideas better than District 9 did. Moviebob (Escapist reviewer) seemed to make the same connection I did, simply defining District 9 as being "Darker", but in this case I tend to feel it's the stupid kind of "darker" rather than something that logically followed as part of the premise. I mean sure, the idea of slicing up a sentinent creature for purposes of "souless corperate arms research" is pretty dark, but then when you consider there is no reason why anyone is likely to have to do that it simply serves to jar you away from the overall experience.


No idea if anyone will have read this far (many probably stopped early on). This is my opinion and the impressions I walked away from the movie with. Many (such as Moviebob who considers it a 10/10) are going to disagree, and I feel they are perfectly entitled to their disagreement (the world would be boring if we all agreed). However please do not flame me, or cut part of the post out and say "I didn't read beyond this, Lulz". I also have the right to express my opinion even when it conflicts with the fanboyism of others.
 

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More of a complaint than a review, but well written all the same. I do see your points, though strongly disagree with every one of them. I thought the movie was very good, the story was excellent and not shallow, and that it is a "see in theater" movie.

See, people nowadays get fed up with movies being "the same" and "not unique". The problem here is that everything has been done that could make a good movie (Don't give me some ridiculous idea. I'm talking Hollywood friendly).
 

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I watched the movie like it was...oh say, a MOVIE!? I don't go to a theater to be fed political statements. This movie was ENTERTAINING. Think of the later parts of the movie. Edge of your seat action. An excellent movie theater experience.
 

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Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I mean, it's a well-crafted film in the sense that it pulls you through each scene quickly enough you don't really have time to question all the strange things that are going on. But it doesn't hold up well to the post-watching analysis; it's the "fridge logic," where after you finish watching and go the fridge to grab a snack you go, "Hey wait, that actually doesn't make any sense..."
 

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Learchuz said:
I watched the movie like it was...oh say, a MOVIE!? I don't go to a theater to be fed political statements. This movie was ENTERTAINING. Think of the later parts of the movie. Edge of your seat action. An excellent movie theater experience.
He isn't recommending that it should have given political statements, only saying that it did. And very obvious ones at that.

But I will agree with you. I went into this movie expecting an explodey, boom boom, shooty, gory, happy time brain melting fun. And I got that.

I freakin' love that giant Prawn mech.
 

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Grampy_bone said:
Yeah you pretty much nailed it. I mean, it's a well-crafted film in the sense that it pulls you through each scene quickly enough you don't really have time to question all the strange things that are going on. But it doesn't hold up well to the post-watching analysis; it's the "fridge logic," where after you finish watching and go the fridge to grab a snack you go, "Hey wait, that actually doesn't make any sense..."
Oh hey. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Sorry for the double post. Internet being really slow and it'd be a pain to go back and edit this in.
 

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The political review it what I liked about the movie. It was actually what I liked best about the movie. The gun violence and action with that one corny scene seemed to ruin it.

As for the review, you didn't really talk much about the aspects of the film. You should really sell your view point but also show the diverse range of why it is also good or what it does achieve. The script was absolutely amazing and yet you talk nothing of it.

As for you saying it wasn't a smart movie, how come? I don't understand how it isn't. You gave me a lot of negative points but nothing backing up the fact that it wasn't smart. I found it incredibly intelligent and was surprised by that. The script, editing and directing was wonderful to lap up and just a joy to watch. As for the story, it was smart also. The aliens were great and the little details were enough to talk about for ages. I'm only realizing things about it today after watching it yesterday.

So basically, what I find wrong with your writing and review is basically how you don't explain yourself.
 

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I found the movie to be very, very good, well written, well paced, but most of all, it was entertaining. I thought that the social commentary was very well layered within one of the best Sci Fi films I've seen in a long time.
 

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PurpleRain said:
Pot calling the Kettle black.
the reason it wasnt a smart movie is because was badly written and most of the horrible things that MNU did to the Aliens was fucking Saturday morning cartoon villain evil.
 

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Mr. Doe said:
PurpleRain said:
Pot calling the Kettle black.
the reason it wasnt a smart movie is because was badly written and most of the horrible things that MNU did to the Aliens was fucking Saturday morning cartoon villain evil.
Woah! Oh ho! I'm thinking from that post you are making some bad joke. I have studied scripts and editing (my two favourite subjects) most intensively during Film College and watching this I have to say it was brilliant. The cartoon villain did feel out of place but someone had to fill the role of the antagonist. But the characters were brilliant. The pacing was fantastic and made the steady jumps throughout the film. Did I say the characters were amazing? Because protagonists like that are all too rare. You don't feel connected to the guy at all, but understand what he has to go through and understand his point of view.
The subplots and minor struggles during the film seem to make perfect arcs and conclusions. The subtle hints throughout the film as to what the shit is going on leaves the audience stuck to the story to want to know more.

Just everything of the script and editing go seamlessly together.
 

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PurpleRain said:
Mr. Doe said:
PurpleRain said:
Pot calling the Kettle black.
the reason it wasnt a smart movie is because was badly written and most of the horrible things that MNU did to the Aliens was fucking Saturday morning cartoon villain evil.
Woah! Oh ho! I'm thinking from that post you are making some bad joke. I have studied scripts and editing (my two favourite subjects) most intensively during Film College and watching this I have to say it was brilliant. The cartoon villain did feel out of place but someone had to fill the role of the antagonist. But the characters were brilliant. The pacing was fantastic and made the steady jumps throughout the film. Did I say the characters were amazing? Because protagonists like that are all too rare. You don't feel connected to the guy at all, but understand what he has to go through and understand his point of view.
The subplots and minor struggles during the film seem to make perfect arcs and conclusions. The subtle hints throughout the film as to what the shit is going on leaves the audience stuck to the story to want to know more.

Just everything of the script and editing go seamlessly together.
I dont know I just dont see why Wikas Decided that scince it might take a while to cure him of his horrible mutation might take a while he might as well club the only guy who knows how to fly the ship that has THE ONLY EQUIMENT IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN CURE HIM and Try to fly a ship with technology hes NEVER EVEN SEEN BEFORE you know because thats understandable. Also I think the only reason the Villian is so Fucking stupid is to really make him the villain because if he wasnt so cartoonishly evil Wikas would still seem like a dickbag.
 

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I dont know I just dont see why Wikas Decided that scince it might take a while to cure him of his horrible mutation might take a while he might as well club the only guy who knows how to fly the ship that has THE ONLY EQUIMENT IN THE UNIVERSE THAT CAN CURE HIM and Try to fly a ship with technology hes NEVER EVEN SEEN BEFORE you know because thats understandable. Also I think the only reason the Villian is so Fucking stupid is to really make him the villain because if he wasnt so cartoonishly evil Wikas would still seem like a dickbag.
Wikas was backed into a corner. It seemed the only thing he could do in that situation. It wasn't as if he could go home any time soon and the alien said that he was to return there and wait three years that he couldn't do. Time was running out and he was hesitant. He also didn't realize he had to pilot anything. He thought it would work straight away. He did however spend a lot of time using and collecting info on alien technology before the film began that he may know some schematics of how to work certain things.
The army officer was not the cartoon villain to out dim(?) Wikas' personal flaws because no matter, Wikas had such a bad attitude that a villain wouldn't be the one to show him as the goody. Wikas however had to learn from his suffering. He did become the avatar, it seemed, for the entire squad he was leading; the blind sheepdogs for the army. He was also the metaphor for the armies pure 'get the job done no matter the cost' attitude and the hate that humanity has for the aliens. They could have spent lot more time they didn't have to show how humans care little for the 'Prawns' or sum it up into a character and build plot and struggle off him. He had that interwoven story with Wikas so that to kill him so early would have been very un-climatic and audiences wouldn't have taken to it.

However, this is only minor plot points or character traits you don't agree with. You can't say that this makes a bad script. Having even a scene that is stupid doesn't make a bad script either. Just makes a bad scene. I have personal problems with few plot points and parts of movies that are considered amazing films and yet I can understand why.

The script works with many other parts of the movie which you made no mention to. You just pointed out simple thing wrong with one and declared it all bad. How did the camera work change how you felt about the characters, the intensity of the film or certain parts thereof, and create a scene for the script's characters to play out and act within? What about the editing? The way it worked to match up the story like an artist canvas so that the entire movie flows perfectly through the world that the writers invented. The way how it cut at points, the way it was utilized to form a sort of documentary of the events that passed. How did you feel that made the script bad? What did the editing do to the horrid script to make it so bad for you? What about the directing and acting and how it interwove with the writing. It is the script that carries the characters and the emotions and that has to be brought through the acting and directing.
You want me to continue into the sound? Lighting works the same as the camera work does.

You can't say that one aspect of the movie is bad because you don't like a single character. So so much of the film industry is knitted together so tightly to talk of one is to talk of the other. If you don't like parts of the story itself, say you don't like parts of the story as you would reading a book. However, reading a book you still can appreciate the writing. If it IS the script or how you put it, 'the writing' then you need to follow it up with reasons why. How was the writing bad.

This is the same reason I did not find this review informative because it does not give any reasons to why they mentioned things. Why was it unintelligent. The way things worked together to create the emotions I felt, the way it added such rich political drama, the way the characters were either unlikable or not present in the action was just sheer brilliance and very intelligent.

I must congratulate the movie because for a long time I have not felt this way on release.

Also, I would very much love a reply. I don't mean any of thins in an agressive tone and I do want your opinion on all of this Mr Doe.
 

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PurpleRain said:
Mr. Doe said:
Wikas was backed into a corner. It seemed the only thing he could do in that situation. It wasn't as if he could go home any time soon and the alien said that he was to return there and wait three years that he couldn't do. Time was running out and he was hesitant. He also didn't realize he had to pilot anything. He thought it would work straight away. He did however spend a lot of time using and collecting info on alien technology before the film began that he may know some schematics of how to work certain things.
The army officer was not the cartoon villain to out dim(?) Wikas' personal flaws because no matter, Wikas had such a bad attitude that a villain wouldn't be the one to show him as the goody. Wikas however had to learn from his suffering. He did become the avatar, it seemed, for the entire squad he was leading; the blind sheepdogs for the army. He was also the metaphor for the armies pure 'get the job done no matter the cost' attitude and the hate that humanity has for the aliens. They could have spent lot more time they didn't have to show how humans care little for the 'Prawns' or sum it up into a character and build plot and struggle off him. He had that interwoven story with Wikas so that to kill him so early would have been very un-climatic and audiences wouldn't have taken to it.

However, this is only minor plot points or character traits you don't agree with. You can't say that this makes a bad script. Having even a scene that is stupid doesn't make a bad script either. Just makes a bad scene. I have personal problems with few plot points and parts of movies that are considered amazing films and yet I can understand why.

The script works with many other parts of the movie which you made no mention to. You just pointed out simple thing wrong with one and declared it all bad. How did the camera work change how you felt about the characters, the intensity of the film or certain parts thereof, and create a scene for the script's characters to play out and act within? What about the editing? The way it worked to match up the story like an artist canvas so that the entire movie flows perfectly through the world that the writers invented. The way how it cut at points, the way it was utilized to form a sort of documentary of the events that passed. How did you feel that made the script bad? What did the editing do to the horrid script to make it so bad for you? What about the directing and acting and how it interwove with the writing. It is the script that carries the characters and the emotions and that has to be brought through the acting and directing.
You want me to continue into the sound? Lighting works the same as the camera work does.

You can't say that one aspect of the movie is bad because you don't like a single character. So so much of the film industry is knitted together so tightly to talk of one is to talk of the other. If you don't like parts of the story itself, say you don't like parts of the story as you would reading a book. However, reading a book you still can appreciate the writing. If it IS the script or how you put it, 'the writing' then you need to follow it up with reasons why. How was the writing bad.

This is the same reason I did not find this review informative because it does not give any reasons to why they mentioned things. Why was it unintelligent. The way things worked together to create the emotions I felt, the way it added such rich political drama, the way the characters were either unlikable or not present in the action was just sheer brilliance and very intelligent.

I must congratulate the movie because for a long time I have not felt this way on release.

Also, I would very much love a reply. I don't mean any of thins in an agressive tone and I do want your opinion on all of this Mr Doe.
Well to answer all of your questions about the other aspects of the movie they were nice but they didnt help the characters or story sure they were nice and all but that has nothing to do with the characters and story. Also I made a post in the Moviebob review that I didnt like ANY of the Characters but Christopher who I feel is the only one that didnt act like a cardboard cut-out/complete asshat. In addition to having shitty characters and some BIG plot holes and the fact that the movie had Excellent CGI and camerawork kinda makes it more of a letdown. I also wish the end made more sense, you know when Captain Genocide is about to blow Wikas' brains and horrible accent all over the dirt but then the Aliens come out of nowhere and use their on again off again super strength to tear him a new one, why did they do that if theyre all just workers with no motivation as explained earlier?

P.S. Ive also said repeatedly in the other forum that I dont think the guys payed to keep district nine in check would let some random african gang just chill out there and snack on the aliens and I dont think that we'd start butchering aliens because we cant use their guns. also I think humanity would be a little more awe-struck having finally answered an age old question.
 
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Well to answer all of your questions about the other aspects of the movie they were nice but they didnt help the characters or story sure they were nice and all but that has nothing to do with the characters and story. Also I made a post in the Moviebob review that I didnt like ANY of the Characters but Christopher who I feel is the only one that didnt act like a cardboard cut-out/complete asshat. In addition to having shitty characters and some BIG plot holes and the fact that the movie had Excellent CGI and camerawork kinda makes it more of a letdown. I also wish the end made more sense, you know when Captain Genocide is about to blow Wikas' brains and horrible accent all over the dirt but then the Aliens come out of nowhere and use their on again off again super strength to tear him a new one, why did they do that if theyre all just workers with no motivation as explained earlier?

P.S. Ive also said repeatedly in the other forum that I dont think the guys payed to keep district nine in check would let some random african gang just chill out there and snack on the aliens and I dont think that we'd start butchering aliens because we cant use their guns. also I think humanity would be a little more awe-struck having finally answered an age old question.

Mr.Doe, its nice to see you again. Anyway its time for me to point out flaws in your argument, just because you don't like a character doesn't make them cardboard cut-out especially if its the main character (you should also note how he goes from prejudice prick to a somewhat likeable guy). Also on the subject of the off again on again strength the aliens were a remnant of there former selfs so stricken with despair that they had no hope, and super strength doesn't stop bullets. And finally you seem to underestimate humanities stupidity which you should never do for the consequences are dire.
 

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Mr. Doe said:
Well to answer all of your questions about the other aspects of the movie they were nice but they didnt help the characters or story sure they were nice and all but that has nothing to do with the characters and story. Also I made a post in the Moviebob review that I didnt like ANY of the Characters but Christopher who I feel is the only one that didnt act like a cardboard cut-out/complete asshat. In addition to having shitty characters and some BIG plot holes and the fact that the movie had Excellent CGI and camerawork kinda makes it more of a letdown. I also wish the end made more sense, you know when Captain Genocide is about to blow Wikas' brains and horrible accent all over the dirt but then the Aliens come out of nowhere and use their on again off again super strength to tear him a new one, why did they do that if theyre all just workers with no motivation as explained earlier?

P.S. Ive also said repeatedly in the other forum that I dont think the guys payed to keep district nine in check would let some random african gang just chill out there and snack on the aliens and I dont think that we'd start butchering aliens because we cant use their guns. also I think humanity would be a little more awe-struck having finally answered an age old question.

Mr.Doe, its nice to see you again. Anyway its time for me to point out flaws in your argument, just because you don't like a character doesn't make them cardboard cut-out especially if its the main character (you should also note how he goes from prejudice prick to a somewhat likeable guy). Also on the subject of the off again on again strength the aliens were a remnant of there former selfs so stricken with despair that they had no hope, and super strength doesn't stop bullets. And finally you seem to underestimate humanities stupidity which you should never do for the consequences are dire.
Well Wikas wasnt the character I was speaking of when I said cardboard cut-out he was the ass-hat Captain Cockbag and the CEO of what I can only assume is a front for Cobra were the characters that felt bland and uneeded I also didnt see any likable traits in Wikas because even though he half assedly sacrificed himself so that Christopher and his people could live but he was still an asshole for all the other Horrible things he did earlier ie:killing babies with. (to clarify it wasnt an abortion the Prawn babies were already formed) Its akin to the end of some movies when the bad guy has a change of heart and helps the hero only to die (Darth Vader) it doesnt make all the bad stuff he did go away because he still killed babies.
 
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Well Wikas wasnt the character I was speaking of when I said cardboard cut-out he was the ass-hat Captain Cockbag and the CEO of what I can only assume is a front for Cobra were the characters that felt bland and uneeded I also didnt see any likable traits in Wikas because even though he half assedly sacrificed himself so that Christopher and his people could live but he was still an asshole for all the other Horrible things he did earlier ie:killing babies with. (to clarify it wasnt an abortion the Prawn babies were already formed) Its akin to the end of some movies when the bad guy has a change of heart and helps the hero only to die (Darth Vader) it doesnt make all the bad stuff he did go away because he still killed babies.
Well your supposed to hate the villian, and sometimes jerks like that exist in real life. The best example of this would be Hitler, I'm pretty sure if ww2 didn't happen and you were shown a movie of it you'd probably have the same reaction. And I still think of it as an extremely brutal abortion rather than killing babies, and it was basically keeping the population under control like they would do with animals in a controlled habitat.
 

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Mr. Doe said:
Well Wikas wasnt the character I was speaking of when I said cardboard cut-out he was the ass-hat Captain Cockbag and the CEO of what I can only assume is a front for Cobra were the characters that felt bland and uneeded I also didnt see any likable traits in Wikas because even though he half assedly sacrificed himself so that Christopher and his people could live but he was still an asshole for all the other Horrible things he did earlier ie:killing babies with. (to clarify it wasnt an abortion the Prawn babies were already formed) Its akin to the end of some movies when the bad guy has a change of heart and helps the hero only to die (Darth Vader) it doesnt make all the bad stuff he did go away because he still killed babies.
Well your supposed to hate the villian, and sometimes jerks like that exist in real life. The best example of this would be Hitler, I'm pretty sure if ww2 didn't happen and you were shown a movie of it you'd probably have the same reaction. And I still think of it as an extremely brutal abortion rather than killing babies, and it was basically keeping the population under control like they would do with animals in a controlled habitat.
Except for the fact that Abortions dont happen after the thrid trimester While Wikas just started killing without checking if the Alien babies were still Developing or not and in the fight with Seargent Slaughterfest I was rooting for the bad guy because Wikas was so unlikable and at points not even understandable and now this Forum needs to die because of Godwins law.
 
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Mr. Doe said:
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Except for the fact that Abortions dont happen after the thrid trimester While Wikas just started killing without checking if the Alien babies were still Developing or not and in the fight with Seargent Slaughterfest I was rooting for the bad guy because Wikas was so unlikable and at points not even understandable and now this Forum needs to die because of Godwins law.
How do you know the amount of trimesters there are for an alien egg or even if they have trimesters, and the main character was portrayed as human so obviously he had flaws and how many other people aren't understandable when they panic.
 

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I agree with your statements pretty closely.

Not to mention the gaping huge WTF plot moments. So all it takes is a few computer commands from an alien kid and motherships moves and grav lifts the command module up? And it took them 20 years to do this?! Don't even get me started on the PMC crap I mean everything about them was unrealistic. Don't get me wrong I loved the movie but its really one you have to shut your brain down to watch.

Only thing i really thought was intriguing was how the aliens give legitimacy to the authority over them even though the prawn are technically superior. Kind of a commentary on how people are easily subjected.