DnD Allignments - Nature vs. Nurture

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Chaotic Evil doesn't have to mean Kratos, it can also mean Edward D'eath, or Black Adder 2.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

Black Adder 2? No he's Lawful Neutral or something like it, now Black Adder 1, HE's chaotic evil, he just sucks at it.

 

[Fenixius]

Chaotic Evil doesn't have to mean Kratos.

Personally, I'd call Kratos Neutral Evil, rather than Chaotic Evil. He has drive behind his actions, it's not just for Chaos. He's motivated by revenge and will stop at nothing to get what he wants. That's not Chaotic. It's too structured. At least, that's true of the first game; I've not played the second.

Kratos, under the Magic system above, would likely be Red. He takes... issue... with people getting in the way of him defending (read: taking revenge for) what he loves. That's very very Red. Driven by emotion (love), and unrestrained by traditionally accepted values (Gods' immortality)? Bright shining Red.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Black Adder 2? No he's Lawful Neutral or something like it, now Black Adder 1, HE's chaotic evil, he just sucks at it.

I get mixed up with who is who, but you can just be a weaselly little backstabber and CE instead of Kratos.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

It's a PnP RPG, you can do whatever you want.

 

[Fenixius]

It's a PnP RPG, you can do whatever you want.

Sure, unless you WANT to be constricted by those rules things.

 

[Ultrajoe]

Ah, heres where we differ in philosophy, i think players should be able to play as they want, and the DM should be able to adapt...

That said, we had an AWESOME game where someone was following us, shanking, skinning, brutalizing and dismembering the NPC's around us... me and the DM had it all planned out... and eventually it dawned on everyone that Ultrajoe was Hannibal on steroids...

It was genuinely creepy towards the end, and the story was beautifully woven between dynamic events and static goals...

That and i got to skin wenches we had been speaking too only a few hours ago, and drape their innards across the walls...

Yeah, chaotic evil is so win it hurts.

But see that prioritizes your fun over the rest of the players, you and the DM are having your own little laugh in while screwing with everyone else. I wouldn't want to play in a game like that because you and said DM are more interested in playing a 2 Person game than integrating everyone else.

incorrect, the entire group agrees that was one of the greatest games we ever played, i was more the arm of the DM he mine, i was a tool for the story, and by that tool being a player, the plot could twist and turn with their actions.

Being kept in the dark and then eventually realizing, capturing me and stopping my rain of terror was half the fun!

Also, chaotic evil is about the character, i personally like the hannibal lector type... but black adder would work, hell, even swiper is technically chaotic evil... Do it well, play it right and have a bit of a flair for the dramatic... and you'll love stabs Mc-Kidskinner even more than Elven Lovesalot

 

[zen5887]

For the sake of making everything run smoother and people (not characters) fighting with each other I dont alow evil characters or pvp stuff

Luckly none of my players are dickheads so they are fine with that

 

[Ultrajoe]

For the sake of making everything run smoother and people (not characters) fighting with each other I dont alow evil characters or pvp stuff

Luckly none of my players are dickheads so they are fine with that

but surely as a DM its one of your jobs to accommodate the players wishes on occasion? a flat ban on evil and PVP can severely limit the scope of adventure you can explore.

And on the topic of Magic, i play a Black White deck for preference

Thats right, selfish through widespread equalization... And by equalization i mean i carpet bomb the entire world until only i remain, bleeding, broken and ultimately defeated... but there's no-one to oppose the last man standing, so i dont have to win comfortably... in fact, i plan not to.

That said, has anyone played a deck with 4 bad moon (tried putting together a playset of those? near impossible with trades alone) and murderous redcap? its red-black (the first i've ever played without white!, i've abstained from black before) but with enough persist creatures you can generate enough damage to fling at anything they play. Aggro-combo... yeah, its awesome

 

[LV Solace]

and in 4e, I'll by and far be ignoring the new alignment system. the 3grid I grew up on, and I loved it. the new one can go [insert long string of bannale explitives here] and do the same to itself.

 

[zen5887]

For the sake of making everything run smoother and people (not characters) fighting with each other I dont alow evil characters or pvp stuff

Luckly none of my players are dickheads so they are fine with that

But that is just it, a good unpredictable character can make the game WAY more fun than everyone just going along because they have no choice... Imagine if there is a character with a hidden agenda, say he needs the group to get past the temple of doom, but once he has the sacred Idol he has to get away with it solely because if he doesn't turn it over to the evil God-King they will kill his entire family? No one will expect the betrayal, and they then have a choice of going after him or not. Whereas if everyone knows they DON'T get to keep the Idol at the end, who is going to want to go?

Wait wait wait...Wait.... Wait

Wait..

I dont force my players on a railroad and I hardly ever say no to a character concept (one of my players played one of the bad guys.. a CN halfling who filled the dungeon with traps) so im not sure what your on about...

I dont allow evil character because they tend to do evil things.. Somthing which upsets the clerics and palis that we have..

 

[ReepNeep]

Indeed. Inter-party strife is so much more fun than clonking orks on the head. If you think that a pack of hardened killers (which almost all PCs are, especially the ones with divine mandate) shouldn't be arguing or occasionally taking swings at each other, theres something seriously wrong. If PCs get along because players don't want to rock the boat, they aren't role-playing.

Alliances of necessity bring all sorts of different kinds of people together. It's their different personalities bouncing off of each other that makes the game fun for me.

 

[zen5887]

A character doesn't have to be EVIL to be unpredictable... The first time my ex-wife and I ever played Star Wars RPG she was a Bothan Soldier and dove under her table and hid there for the first two (would have been three if our DM hadn't jumped in her shit about it) turns... A cowardly soldier! How unpredictable... A darker character adds flavor, and as Joe said, can take an otherwise standard mission and add a nice twist to it...

And as for upsetting your precious Paladins and Clerics, well, life is all about strife and conflict, and if your characters never have any, they suck... And it definitely reduces the tension in the game...

Uhh.. Im not saying that characters cant be unpredictable =\

 

[Ultrajoe]

Indeed. Inter-party strife is so much more fun than clonking orks on the head. If you think that a pack of hardened killers (which almost all PCs are, especially the ones with divine mandate) shouldn't be arguing or occasionally taking swings at each other, theres something seriously wrong. If PCs get along because players don't want to rock the boat, they aren't role-playing.

Alliances of necessity bring all sorts of different kinds of people together. It's their different personalities bouncing off of each other that makes the game fun for me.

Its the bloodstains that do it for me

admittedly everyone expects me to betray them nowadays, so i've become a little convoluted in my outlook on the game...

I tried playing along once, everyone was disappointed.

And Zen, i'm still a little confused as to why you don't allow evils... Everyone wants the same outcome, thats why they are questing together, having different reasons is what evil is for... For example:

Elfy Goodlepants: Hooray! now we have the dust of time! we can save the kingdom
Splodey Mcsplode: Or form it into an gas-expanding compound with a yield greater than anyhting seem before!
Ultrajoe: Or kill you all while you sleep!
Elfy + Splodey: How does that use the Dust?
Ultrajoe: Ill sell it to the highest bidder for blowjobs and pie
Slodey: Screw explosives, this man is right!

Everyone is after the reward... but they dont have to play nice about it

And thanks Mobius... for a thread idea that will prove almost as popular as one entitled "Im a DD bra size but i have a scratch above my right nipple, can anyone diagnose me with these 30 pictures? sorry about the baby oil i spilled on them... and my redhead friend licking it off"

On second thought, ill think ill make both! (oh how many views would that generate in the first minute!!)

 

[StrangeButNoStranger]

I'm gonna have to agree there -- if a character is a "bad person" and another character take issue with that -- thats one thing. But if a Paladin or Cleric can't see the bigger picture and work together as a team with this bad person then they're a little too far gone to help.