Do bronies challenge traditional masculine values?
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From what he says in the video, I can see what he means, but right now I'd say no.
Mainly because as he points out, what is considered normal is considered natural. At the moment bronies are not considered "normal" by the general public. Hell, I'd say the average person who doesn't spend a lot of time on the net, probably doesn't even know that it exists.
Although I guess that depends on what you mean by "challenge". If you simply mean, the fact that it is so popular with many guys is a challenge in itself, then yes, I suppose it is. But I'd only really consider it worth noting if it was accepted by the majority. As long as it's the minority, it will be seen as abnormal.
Mainly because as he points out, what is considered normal is considered natural. At the moment bronies are not considered "normal" by the general public. Hell, I'd say the average person who doesn't spend a lot of time on the net, probably doesn't even know that it exists.
Although I guess that depends on what you mean by "challenge". If you simply mean, the fact that it is so popular with many guys is a challenge in itself, then yes, I suppose it is. But I'd only really consider it worth noting if it was accepted by the majority. As long as it's the minority, it will be seen as abnormal.
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OT: I'm not sure about "Changing the definition of masculinity", I just think it's a well-written show with great characters and aesthetics.
Of course, the fact that I'm still confident in my sexuality while enjoying this show probably says something I guess.
Not really. Bronies are passed off as a fringe group. Perhaps an embarrassingly "unmanly" group or whatever people say about them, but they get laughed off.
Alternatively, if you say MLP is a show like any other, then bronies don't even get that.
Alternatively, if you say MLP is a show like any other, then bronies don't even get that.
Depends what you mean by challenge.
They're "challenging traditional masculine values" in the same way that me walking the streets in a miniskirt would be challenging traditional masculine values.
That is to say, they're doing something that adult men are generally not expected to do.
However, I'm not sure which particular Traditional Masculine Value we're talking about here. Is it written somewhere? Thou Shalt Not Watch TV Programs Made For Prepubescent Females or something?
They're "challenging traditional masculine values" in the same way that me walking the streets in a miniskirt would be challenging traditional masculine values.
That is to say, they're doing something that adult men are generally not expected to do.
However, I'm not sure which particular Traditional Masculine Value we're talking about here. Is it written somewhere? Thou Shalt Not Watch TV Programs Made For Prepubescent Females or something?
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As for challenging anything, my answer would be no. Bronies just enjoy what they enjoy. If liking cartoons designed for children is immature, then anyone who enjoys Batman:The Animated Series is also immature, and I'd bet there are a lot more people who enjoy that than MLP.
What? I guess so. I mean sure, why not?
Not really high on my list of things that I am/am not doing though, I'm just watching a show and listening to music, really nothing different. Oh, and I'm also talking to people on a daily basis who also enjoy the show and consider them to be good friends, but birds of a feather and that thing about flocking together.
Not really high on my list of things that I am/am not doing though, I'm just watching a show and listening to music, really nothing different. Oh, and I'm also talking to people on a daily basis who also enjoy the show and consider them to be good friends, but birds of a feather and that thing about flocking together.
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As a brony, I agree.SecretNegative said:
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OT: I wouldn't say we're actively challenging traditional views (that's a bit of a narcissistic thought when all we're doing is watching a kids show). Instead, we just stopped giving a crap. That's about it.
I was always under the impression that the main issue with enjoying MLP wasn't that it's a show for girls but rather because it's a show for children. Also, to "challenge" something requires there to be resistance. No one really gives a crap about bronies. I imagine most of the irritation comes from an okay but not exemplary show is being touted as the best thing since sliced bread.
Ugh...yes, it's written in the Mandatory Manly Manhood Manner and Mannerism Manifesto - page 13, paragraph 1 it's there, in subsection 14, right after BACON! and before EXPLOSIONS!Zhukov said:
Anyway, here is the video for easier reference.
Well to be honest, I think yes.
Traditional, men were either burly, guys covered in crap from a hard day of "graft" had no emotion, took no crap and expected tea to be on the table at 6(think lumberjack) or they had greasy hair, demanded respect and smoked while sipping whiskey (think around the time prohibition was a thing or greece, the musical).
Now can you imagine the Fonz or a lumberjack watching MLP?
Here is an idea for those that have seen fight club. Edward Norton is the modern man, buys all IKEA furniture, grooms himself and cares what people think about him. Tyler Durden is the "traditional" man, hard and blunt.
Not saying one is right and the wrong or one is the real man and one isn't. If you like MLP, fine, run with it but a question was asked and I answered it.
Traditional, men were either burly, guys covered in crap from a hard day of "graft" had no emotion, took no crap and expected tea to be on the table at 6(think lumberjack) or they had greasy hair, demanded respect and smoked while sipping whiskey (think around the time prohibition was a thing or greece, the musical).
Now can you imagine the Fonz or a lumberjack watching MLP?
Here is an idea for those that have seen fight club. Edward Norton is the modern man, buys all IKEA furniture, grooms himself and cares what people think about him. Tyler Durden is the "traditional" man, hard and blunt.
Not saying one is right and the wrong or one is the real man and one isn't. If you like MLP, fine, run with it but a question was asked and I answered it.
Fuck off with your sofa units and strine green stripe patterns
Traditionally, women were prohibited from leaving the house without a chaperone and were considered property of the menfolk.omega 616 said:
Ok but what does that have to do with what I said or the topic at hand?Loop Stricken said:
I am not saying traditional things are good, in fact I think the word "traditional" is another way of saying "how stupid were we back then" or "'cos we used to be one way, lets keep it that way".
I guess it is in as much as the whole "it's for girls!" thing goes but it was more the weird use of stuff like "everypony" that was creepy and borderline psychotic. But that's the nature fandom's, there are always some people that take it way to far.
Way, way to far.
Way, way to far.
I suppose I'm a brony. There's a charm to the show that maturely touches on the importance of honesty, friendship and other moral values, something we're starting to see less and less of in the real world today. Those moral values are something something I know I'm craving to find, so might as well watch shows about it. MLP just happens to be one of them, and it happens to be a show for children.
Also, has anyone seen the top video on Newgrounds, The Reward?
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/614511
It's a epicly fantastic story about bromance and friendship. The lesson in The Reward can easily fit into the MLP theme.
Also, has anyone seen the top video on Newgrounds, The Reward?
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/614511
It's a epicly fantastic story about bromance and friendship. The lesson in The Reward can easily fit into the MLP theme.
I think it probably does, but not in any useful way. Bronies don't have the social clout or self-awareness to really channel that anywhere. And plenty will still try and argue that the show isn't actually girly, which could not be more ridiculous, rather than just accept that girly is not a bad thing.
Maybe give it a few more years. I certainly thought Pokemon was weird when it first became a thing, it's a franchise with all the same "problems" as MLP (minus the gender issues), but it has thoroughly seeped into geek culture now.
Maybe give it a few more years. I certainly thought Pokemon was weird when it first became a thing, it's a franchise with all the same "problems" as MLP (minus the gender issues), but it has thoroughly seeped into geek culture now.