Do bronies challenge traditional masculine values?
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Actually the confusion about bronies is not so much that they don't belong to the targeted gender but also the fact they don't belong to the targeted age group. I mean watching something meant for the opposing gender is one thing but also the wrong age category is another. I mean if a 20y old man were to tell me he's a huge fan of a typical grandma series i'd also go "dafuq?".
And therefor i don't really think the backlash mainly comes from them "challenging masculinity". I mean if a 14y old dude came and told me he loved twilight i'd be like "why?". Now if a 30y old dude told me the same i'd be like "Wut?!". (<= much more confused response)
And therefor i don't really think the backlash mainly comes from them "challenging masculinity". I mean if a 14y old dude came and told me he loved twilight i'd be like "why?". Now if a 30y old dude told me the same i'd be like "Wut?!". (<= much more confused response)
At the same time social media wasn't in the same place it is today. There are more variables between the two than just their directed and actual fanbase.CriticKitten said:
I find the difference to be that PPG, while still inherently "girly" had a lot of not so girly qualities like a lot of fighty action scenes.Susan Arendt said:
I'm not sure of any PPG episode that didn't have at least 1 fight scene in them, even if it was relatively short compared to the rest of the episode.
MLP:FIM has a lot of episodes that aren't like that. Slice of life episodes where there really is no action and its about just little things. Suited for Success was an entire episode about Rarity gettin the fame she always wanted, then realizin it wasn't worth givin up her friends for. It was also considered to be one of the better episodes in the show.
Exactly I couldn't agree with you more small cute rolling puppy,I should be able to watch Kodomo no Jikan without being judged thank you very much!Susan Arendt said:
You know how some guys find fluffy bunnies and ducklings cute? Are they doing the whole "PHWOAARRRR I'M CHALLENGING TRADITIONAL MASCULINE VALUES!" thing? Not really. Bunnies and ducklings are just cute, fact of life, gender is irrelevant. Even the "manliest" of men have been known to have a soft-spot for something or the other.
Apply the same logic to bronies - except replace the bunnies/ducklings with cute colorful characters with detailed unique personalities, adorable expressions, light-hearted humor, a decent story, etc. It's that simple! Masculine/feminine values are irrelevant!
Apply the same logic to bronies - except replace the bunnies/ducklings with cute colorful characters with detailed unique personalities, adorable expressions, light-hearted humor, a decent story, etc. It's that simple! Masculine/feminine values are irrelevant!
Bronies aren't doing shit. The fact that the majority of them already belong to a fringe group (the nerd subculture) already means that they are far enough removed from the main stream that they aren't actually going to have much of an effect on the population at large. Couple that with the fact that a fair amount of them are absolutely insufferable in how far they take their fandom and you have a group that isn't doing anything except for making themselves more removed from what is socially accepted in a negative way.
Once, real men were the ones who were manly enough to wear pink.
Now, they real men ARE a little pink. Wait, that makes no sense.
I have great respect for the men who are open about watching the show, so I'd lean towards yes.
Now, they real men ARE a little pink. Wait, that makes no sense.
I have great respect for the men who are open about watching the show, so I'd lean towards yes.
I'm pretty sure EVERY cartoon has one if not several episodes about Be Careful What You Wish For. Is this really the show at its finest?shintakie10 said:
A reference to Monty Python's lumberjack song? 100 points for you!NightmareExpress said:
I'd say the better episodes are the ones that reveals the cast's fears and flaws. i.e the episode where it's revealed that the reason Pinkie is so friendly and cheerful towards everyone is because she's terrified of the idea that people (ponies?) might hate her.Johnny Novgorod said:
From the sounds of it, you've never seen the show?
He mixed up his Rarity episodes. Suited for Success was about the perils of an artist taking work on commission, particularly from friends. I'm sure others have done that too, but it's a less common topic. Probably not so many of them had musical numbers about sewing, either.Johnny Novgorod said:
See, again with the Generic Cartoon Episode. The extroverted comic relief is really insecure about itself? BRILLIANT.FireAza said:
Dude, that's hardly a common trope in cartoons. Most characters in cartoons are kinda (if you'll excuse the pun) two-dimensional, you don't really see any sides to them aside from whatever personality trait they've had from the start. Again, it sounds to me like you've never actually seen the show and are refusing to consider it might actually be better than you think. Which is what I thought before I actually sat down and made myself watch it.
"Bronies" have an affinity towards being as flamboyant as possible in an effort to gain attention. Other "bronies" give them extreme positive attention whereas more outspoken members on the internet will give them negative attention. Both feed the individual's desire for attention.
It's the reason people get annoyed at vegans and such. Their lifestyle is fine, but the vast majority shove it down your throat so often that they have earned themselves a negative reputation. "Bronies" have made a children's television show their lifestyle and make every effort to let the world know their obsession.
I, and many people, would admit to liking things that may be considered 'childish' or 'unmanly'. Many people like Pokemon, for example. Aside from the amusing occasion, you don't see these people plastering their entire lifestyle all over every form of social media. This is what "Bronies" do.
"Bronies" don't challenge traditional masculine values. They are just another phase in the ever-evolving desire to be chastised that socially-awkward attention-seekers have.
It's the reason people get annoyed at vegans and such. Their lifestyle is fine, but the vast majority shove it down your throat so often that they have earned themselves a negative reputation. "Bronies" have made a children's television show their lifestyle and make every effort to let the world know their obsession.
I, and many people, would admit to liking things that may be considered 'childish' or 'unmanly'. Many people like Pokemon, for example. Aside from the amusing occasion, you don't see these people plastering their entire lifestyle all over every form of social media. This is what "Bronies" do.
"Bronies" don't challenge traditional masculine values. They are just another phase in the ever-evolving desire to be chastised that socially-awkward attention-seekers have.
It pretty much did. The artist, Faust, that draws the series was found to be a 4channer herself and as a result gained a fan following. Later, 4chan-wannabes enjoyed the public chastising they recieved from forcing this meme on others while 4chan itself just moved on.TizzytheTormentor said:
I've allways found it quite curious how agressive some people get towards things that arent harmful, just different. Why waste time and energy to hate what isnt 'normal'. We are all not normal.
I think the usual gender constrictions are a harm to everybodies freedom.
Im not a brony (or pegasister, thats for girls) but I did enjoy watching MLP (more so the first two seasons).
Do we really need to allways stick to adult stuff if we are adults? I dont think so and MLP is not like watching a barbie movie...
I think the usual gender constrictions are a harm to everybodies freedom.
Im not a brony (or pegasister, thats for girls) but I did enjoy watching MLP (more so the first two seasons).
Do we really need to allways stick to adult stuff if we are adults? I dont think so and MLP is not like watching a barbie movie...