Do gamers have the balls to force a crash???
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More than 60$ is where I draw the line, 100$ is way over that line, On disc or day 1 DLC is a dealbreaker for me, microtransactions I can deal with if they are handled properly and are not forced and completely optional as well as make sense (i.e. an MMO with no sub fee or a F2P game), which these days seems increasingly rare...
so yeah if this shit gets any worse instead of better, I am sticking with current gen thank you very much, or I will take my buisness to whoever isn't pulling this BS
No need to force a crash, since as soon as more and more people stop buying next gen games, the crash will just come automatically, hell a crash is inevitable at this point for at least some companies, even if they did do a complete 180 and suddenly became every consumers dream-company
so yeah if this shit gets any worse instead of better, I am sticking with current gen thank you very much, or I will take my buisness to whoever isn't pulling this BS
No need to force a crash, since as soon as more and more people stop buying next gen games, the crash will just come automatically, hell a crash is inevitable at this point for at least some companies, even if they did do a complete 180 and suddenly became every consumers dream-company
I haven't spent $100 on a game in ever.
I haven't spent $30+ on a game in YEARS.
Gamers don't have the self-control to cause a crash, because:
A: you need some pretty freaking massive self-control to dive head-first into the Grand Canyon, and
B: they don't have the self-control to wait for sales.
I haven't spent $30+ on a game in YEARS.
Gamers don't have the self-control to cause a crash, because:
A: you need some pretty freaking massive self-control to dive head-first into the Grand Canyon, and
B: they don't have the self-control to wait for sales.
If not buying every last thing they want us to buy is the same as a crash, then who's fault is that?
I've got 2900 hours in Team Fortress 2 and I've spent less than 15 dollars on the free portion and it was all on Mann-up tickets which are a relatively small expense. The people that pay heavily into micro transactions are the ones making those games cheap for the rest of us. I played Guild Wars 2 heavily for hundreds of hours and never spent a dime on their real-money gimmicks.
People choose to buy into those micro transactions and they obviously think it's worth paying for them. Forcing a "crash" just to save these people from their own stupidity wouldn't solve a damn thing and it would cause some would-be-decent games to fail pointlessly.
And any ideas of price-gouging will become irrelevant in the face of Steam sales. Once people wise up and start following the PC gaming master race, Exclusive titles will be a thing of the past and $60+ dollar games will be the exception to the rule when everyone who cares about their dollars can wait for one of the many sales. Developers will be at the mercy of the gamer's dollar rather than the gamer's dollar at the mercy of the console.
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People choose to buy into those micro transactions and they obviously think it's worth paying for them. Forcing a "crash" just to save these people from their own stupidity wouldn't solve a damn thing and it would cause some would-be-decent games to fail pointlessly.
And any ideas of price-gouging will become irrelevant in the face of Steam sales. Once people wise up and start following the PC gaming master race, Exclusive titles will be a thing of the past and $60+ dollar games will be the exception to the rule when everyone who cares about their dollars can wait for one of the many sales. Developers will be at the mercy of the gamer's dollar rather than the gamer's dollar at the mercy of the console.
Rejoice! Pay reverence unto GabeN and he shall provide thine Steam-sales divine!
Hell no we don't. We can't even get off our arses to stand against our differing government's spy programs, much less other much needed changes.
So, if someone does something I don't like, I'd be happy to singlehandedely trigger the loss of jobs, education, and enjoyable living of hundreds of thousands of people? I'm an asshole, but not that much of an asshole.
I have 70 pounds of neglected wood, beads, paint, and a garden. I'm well prepared for a crash in the video game market. Fortunately I don't feel games are bad enough to instigate a crash in the market, yet, they're getting there but that time will most likely come when most of use only retain a passing interest in games.
Christ not this shit again...
Why are there people who WANT a crash?? There are other ways to improve this industry without hoping for the loss of god know how many jobs.
Vote with your wallet. If you don't support a certain dev or business practice then DON'T support it. Complain if you have to. Hell, as crazy as the whole ME3 ending thing was, the outcry was enough to make Bioware make an extended cut. So that's something.
Honestly, this whole wanting a crash thing is ridiculous. Yes, the previous crash did lead to the rise of Nintendo as a gaming company, but that doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen twice.
Why are there people who WANT a crash?? There are other ways to improve this industry without hoping for the loss of god know how many jobs.
Vote with your wallet. If you don't support a certain dev or business practice then DON'T support it. Complain if you have to. Hell, as crazy as the whole ME3 ending thing was, the outcry was enough to make Bioware make an extended cut. So that's something.
Honestly, this whole wanting a crash thing is ridiculous. Yes, the previous crash did lead to the rise of Nintendo as a gaming company, but that doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen twice.
I'm not yet convinced that microtransactions will be the standard. Killer Instinct has a payment model I wish more games would adopt. I don't play multiplayer in games so if I could pay for only the singe player, I could get games for much cheaper. I haven't actually played any non-free to play games that have microtransactions so I don't think it's as big a problem as you make it out to be. Not yet anyway. I'm not against making sacrifices for something to which I object. I loved meat but I became a vegetarian because I couldn't support factory farming. I could give up video games for a while if the policies got that bad. We aren't there yet though
A crash? No. A stern refusal to pay extra to have already complete content placed on a disc and then locked up? A withholding of purchase or pre-purchase to make the point that we will not tolerate being seen as the reason that their far too expensive to create games are not drawing a profit? A play to return the power to the customer and take it out of the hands of a publisher that demands microtransactions in a single player game that I have already paid 80 dollars for the collector's edition of?
Yes, to all of that.
What it all comes down to, is that Video Games are good for nothing. That's not a dig, that's just a fact. Nobody has ever died from lack of Videogames. The ten commandments do not include "Thou shalt Dig Dug." We don't need them. When a company's practices piss me off too much, my reaction is "Fuck 'em, I don't need the next in that series." When a console wants to point a video camera at me 24 hours a day and listen to my conversations, I say, "Fuck it, I'll just use my PC." When a developer ignores a community's well thought out list of grievances and says "You just don't get it, we have an artistic vision," I reply, "Alright then. Like VanGogh, who was an incredible artist, you can live without ever selling your art and die in poverty, because whatever your art is, it isn't what I would like to purchase. Take care!"
Do I want the Videogames industry to CRASH? No. No, it's in a Cultural Crash right now, and that's bad enough as it is. I mean, "Refrigerator with a Shotgun saves Tits with a Thong" might as well be the name of 80% of the shit that's cranked out these days. But a crash wouldn't stop those games from existing; too many 12 year old shitheads who haven't figured out that you can just google the word "porn" are buying that crap. A crash would only hurt the Project Eternities, the Bioshock Infinites, the Souls both Dark and Demonic. The stuff that tries to take risks and make you sweat/think/feel would die out, and we'd be left with nothing but COD Goats Multiplayer.
Yes, to all of that.
What it all comes down to, is that Video Games are good for nothing. That's not a dig, that's just a fact. Nobody has ever died from lack of Videogames. The ten commandments do not include "Thou shalt Dig Dug." We don't need them. When a company's practices piss me off too much, my reaction is "Fuck 'em, I don't need the next in that series." When a console wants to point a video camera at me 24 hours a day and listen to my conversations, I say, "Fuck it, I'll just use my PC." When a developer ignores a community's well thought out list of grievances and says "You just don't get it, we have an artistic vision," I reply, "Alright then. Like VanGogh, who was an incredible artist, you can live without ever selling your art and die in poverty, because whatever your art is, it isn't what I would like to purchase. Take care!"
Do I want the Videogames industry to CRASH? No. No, it's in a Cultural Crash right now, and that's bad enough as it is. I mean, "Refrigerator with a Shotgun saves Tits with a Thong" might as well be the name of 80% of the shit that's cranked out these days. But a crash wouldn't stop those games from existing; too many 12 year old shitheads who haven't figured out that you can just google the word "porn" are buying that crap. A crash would only hurt the Project Eternities, the Bioshock Infinites, the Souls both Dark and Demonic. The stuff that tries to take risks and make you sweat/think/feel would die out, and we'd be left with nothing but COD Goats Multiplayer.
Yeah no offense, this kinda sounds like slicing your nose off to spite your face. You don't like microtransactions and DLC? Then don't buy them and refuse to stop complaining about it. Don't actively try to destroy an entire industry, put god knows how many people out of business and take a part in destroying a massive part of the hobby that we all enjoy.
Also, there seems to be a lot of elitism in this thread.
Also, there seems to be a lot of elitism in this thread.
Um... am I the only one who likes modern games? I don't particularly want an industry crash. EA and the other AAA companies are garbage, but that's why I don't buy from them. That said, the industry has gotten a lot better. In the past, for every Chrono Trigger there were fifty terrible titles being made. Games have gotten better. The writing used to be terrible in games, now they're actually pretty well written. People talk about boycotting EA, but honestly, if they made a good game then I'd probably buy it. Not because I'm sheeple, but because I would want to show them that well made games can make money. That said, I haven't bought an EA title in years, and that's probably not going to change any time soon.
What you said is pretty appropriate considering where your avatar is from.Elias Islas Rodriguez said:The only way to build a new world is over the ashes of the old one.... Also people never changes until they are at the border of abyss... So lets set the world in fire!!!
Regardless, I still disagree that we need the industry to crash in order for things to get better.
I just buy the games I wanna play really. That's were my involvement in this industry ends.
But I guess that just isn't enough anymore, right?
But I guess that just isn't enough anymore, right?
I'm not stupid enough to attempt to ruin the hobby that I spend the majority of my free time on.