Do nice guys really finish last?

[Jedoro]

They do, but only because women kinda have to go through guys they don't actually want before they know what they do want. It's like losing something and finding it "in the last place I looked." No shit, Sherlock, why keep looking if you found it?

 

[Matt-the-twat]

Girls like interesting men, not necessarily arseholes. All arseholes are interesting because they're going to be challenging in their own way. A nice guy that's under the thumb is never going to be as interesting as an arsehole who could do anything. Unpredictable > predictable.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

No, slow guys finish last. If you haven't grown out of calling your girl princess every day by the time you're 14 then you're finishing last. I was that guy on more than one occasion, I was slow, I finished last, it sucked.

Being a nice guy doesn't mean putting the pussy on the pedestal, it means being a nice guy. You don't need to be a dick to woo women and if you think it does then you're still slow and you're still finishing last. Ever tried talking to your girlfriend like a person instead of some all powerful queen? You probably should.

 

[teebeeohh]

because the vast majority of "nice guys" are just acting nice because they think whatever else they may be able to bring to the table will not make them appear attractive to women.
personally i am OK with being a spiteful cynic most of the time (but i am still surprisingly fun at parties) and have never been a nice guy or a total asshole. On the other hand i have never been looking for a relationship (except during my teen years when a girlfriend was kind of a status symbol) so maybe something is just wrong in my head or will not kick in until i am 30 or something.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Yes, and that's why I stopped bothering, caring and thinking about women. My mind has better things to think about... like the words and actions of dead men.

 

[999realthings]

To a certain extent, nice guys do finish last.
If you're the push-over do anything they want nice with no spine, I believe women don't find that attractive. But you can be the confident, assestive but nice cause you're a decent human being and still get chicks.
It's not the nice guy or jackass but confindence or spineless

 

[SH4DOWSL4Y3R]

True that.

Also, in my experience, a lot of guys who moan about, "Oh my goodness, I treated her so well, I am so nice, but she moved on to an asshole..." (et cetera, et cetera) are usually going overboard. To take the OP's example, if someone constantly called me "princess," I wouldn't be flattered, I'd feel objectified. In my experience, a lot of guys who claim the nice guy title and then bemoan the loss of their significant other are less "nice," and more "clingy, insecure, and prone to putting their girlfriend on a rather confining and awkward pedestal." This is just in my experience, as I've clarified multiple times, but... still, I daresay it's a valid point.

And this article [http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml] puts a lot of my points in a blunter, better way.

thanks for that link, i found it very informative and interesting. i think i may take some of the points in that article for future reference, so i remember them for whenever i actually feel bothered enough to want a relationship.

 

[Grant Hobba]

Women are assholes too.

Just in different ways.

Edit: Very different hard to understand ways.

Amen brother.

 

[OniYouji]

This is not a simple yes or no question, as it all depends on the individuals involved. Some girls prefer more confident men, some girls really like the nice guy, some girls like being subservient (hey, the world is full of weirdos), some girls like other girls (in which the same question repeats itself, but with a different word), and in the end, you can't really label 50% of the world's population on their dating preferences. If you are insecure, then odds are, there's still someone out there for you. If you are the kind to pamper, then there's still someone out there for you. So inevitably, they'll finish last for some, but definitely not for all. Hang in there.

 

[AlexLoxate]

Yes they (we) do. Because we put ourselves behind everyone else.

 

[Nieroshai]

I finish last because I'm a nice guy, and my girl is pretty grateful.
Giggidy.

Seriously though, the best things in my life came to me because I'm an honorable and kind person.

 

[Azriel Nightshade]

Yes.
In fact, some might suggest nice guys finish after the lady has finished a couple times.

Beat me to it :3

 

[Vault101]

*sigh*..this crap again?

"nice guy" "bad boy" what does all this actually mean? and to be honest highschool romances arnt real relationships

Nice guys finish last. Generally sucking up to a woman and buying her presents in the early stages of a relationship is unattractive. It's smacks of poor self-confidence and comes across as being insincere and manipulative. You can be a GOOD guy and be successful with women. Jackasses aren't successful with women BECAUSE they are jackasses, it's that they possess traits which are attractive i.e. confidence.

In short, don't put women on a pedestal like "nice" guys do and you'll likely have more success.

my ex always got me presents and I hated it, I know his intentions were good and he was really sweet, but to me..it was like him giving me more and more "debt", plus I was broke so couldnt really give anything back

he was cool about it though and never aksed for anything back (which I would have prefered to do)

 

[quantumsoul]

No it's just that most men don't know how to treat a woman. Woman are attracted to kind men that treat them well. Nice guys just take it to such a level that they turn the woman off.

Women are not prizes or princesses; they're people. I treat women like friends plus flirting. I find that works wonders.

 

[not_you]

I'm a nice guy...
have proof of it...

managed to cover my entire life so far being locked into "friends" with the people I liked...

So, yes, we do finish last...

 

[Hunter Grin]

Well my opinion is that the body isn't as important as the mind or personality. That being said I'm not going to date a hot dumb ass and not and ugly genius. My gf is like me in alot of ways so in my opinion if your a good guy you have the biggest chance to get the girl that is right for you

 

[RaikuFA]

Here's the problem: ALL WOMEN ARE SHALLOW!!! GET OVER IT!!!

Until they stop being dickteases, they are not worth your time.

 

[zombiesinc]

I find the whole "nice guys finish last" thing to be incredibly stupid. It implies that relationships are basic enough that if a guy fits a certain "mould" they'll either be liked, chosen, ignored, etc.

Relationships are far more complex than what kind of jeans a guy wears, or how patient he is when it comes to sex. Implying otherwise is quite naive. Hell, even implying that it somehow has mainly to do with the guy involved is just stupid. There are two people in any relationship [small](maybe more?)[/small], and those two people are incredibly complex. Why does it seem like so many people are interested in simplifying something so intricate, anyway? Or rather, why does it seem The Escapist userbase is so obsessed over saying it has to do with a woman's choice regarding the man? Well, I guess the majority of the userbase is men, right?

And yes, I realize that not everyone thinks from this perspective, but it's the ones that do that bother me so much.