Do people dislike the Xbox One because of what it is or the functions it was supposed to have?

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Ihateregistering1 said:
-This is the one that is just inexcusable, but I don't care because I don't play online, but "XBox Gold", and having to pay to play multiplayer. Seriously Microsoft? Sony figured out this was a terrible idea back with the PS3, and you guys still haven't hopped on this train yet? If I played Games online I definitely would have bought a PS4 instead.
Actually, Sony has shifted their online policies with the PS4, so a PS+ subscription is required for online play. But ONLY for online play, you can do any other online stuff without the subscription. I think MS has altered their policies, but I do know you used to need Gold just to watch Netflix. I believe a year of PS+ is cheaper than a year of Gold though, but don't quote me on that.
 

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Never mind that Steam does the exact same thing.
They require you to check in once a year. Xbox required you to check in once a day.
You don't actually own any of the games you buy. Xbox game discs could be used twice and then the next person had to pay for it.
Steam reserves all rights to delete any of them, without notice, and ever give you a refund. Xbox, to my knowledge, wouldn't do this. This is just a Steam thing.

I can get why people don't like the XOne. "graphics" bs, doesn't have games I want to play, etc. (Games are the most important factor when deciding to buy a console)

But don't act like it was the first time this has happened. Steam has been doing this to people for years.

Just to be clear...

Steam reserves all rights to delete your "property" without warning, or refund.
This means that you do NOT own any of the games you bought. If someone can take a game away from you without your consent:
You do not own that game.


I haven't had a single issue with my XOne. The only real gripe I have is that I have to update it more often than not.
1. Microsoft wanted to take away the one advantage console games had over PC games - No CD keys, no installation, no restrictions of purchase or sale.

I do own every single console game I've ever purchased - Because no company has gotten away with implementing a system that could take them from me. I can put any disc (Or cartridge, where applicable) into my Xbox, Xbox 360, PS2, PS3, Vita, PSP or Sega Master System and play it right now.

2. Once a day is a lot more often than one a year and Steam can be made to work offline - Permanently (Although the feature is notoriously buggy as I understand).

Also, that thing about removing your games at any one time? Pretty sure that's standard in all EULAs. I suggest you read through the Xbox EULA to confirm that it's absent before making that claim.

2.5. What limitations apply to my access and use of Microsoft and third-party content? We may disable access to Microsoft and third-party content associated with your account for any reason. We may also remove or disable games, applications, content, or Services on your Authorized Device in order to protect the Services, application providers, network operators or any other affected or potentially affected parties. Some content and applications available on the Services may be unavailable from time to time or may only be offered for a limited time due to contractual or other limitations, such as the region of your Account. As such, you may not be able to re-download content or applications or re-stream certain content that you have purchased; for example, if you change your account to another region you may need to re-purchase content or applications that were available to you and paid for in your previous region. Except to the extent required by applicable law, we have no obligation to provide a re-download or replacement of any content or application previously purchased. If we receive information from the content owners indicating the dates their content will be unavailable, we will try to share this information with you.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/LiveTOU

3. Steam has less shitty prices and operates on a platform with competing markets. On Xbox, you got Xbox live or nothing. On PC you have:

Steam
Good Old Games
Origins
Uplay
Humble Bundle

And countless other retailers, selling codes or game downloads - Competition. And where or when Steam fails, there are ways to get around losing your game library on a non-closed system.

My point is - Microsoft took something as redundant as a console (In this day and age) and tried to remove the few good points left to them.

Which is buy a game, own the game, put it in and play.

Oh, what's that? Installation? Account tied license on retail discs? Daily DRM user verification? **** off Microsoft.

Furthermore, what do you think would have happened had they implemented those systems, after they shut them down? You get a brick is what, unable to do anything whatsoever. At least you can use a PC for other things and for other markets.

You can bark all you want about Steam being the same but they operate on a system that's non-monopolized and unrestricted in functionality and they sell their products for less than Microsoft, Sony or Nintendo because there's actually competing markets.

Additionally, if you hadn't noticed - Steam is getting a lot of critique for how they manage themselves too, in regards to their refund policies, poor customer support and ill advised attempts at monetizing content.

Do you think I idolize Valve just because I resent Microsoft?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/false_dichotomy

I tolerate Valve, because they are less crap, cheaper and I can get around them (potentially) screwing me over in many ways.

The bullshit that we buy a license needs to stop, because the only reason why it's been downgraded to one is to deceive us and get away with implementing systems that take away the products that we have paid for (So they can sell us more and force us to go along with it).

But there is an option for non-DRM digital purchases on PC - Good Old Games. If Steam fails, I'm certain that they will pick up the slack.

There are legitimate reasons to criticize Microsoft, specifically, for what they tried to do and how that would have changed the entire market for the worse.
 

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I'll admit that the early fiasco of the Xbox One really soured my opinion of it, and it never really recovered. However, it goes back further than that.

I own a PS3 and a 360. I actually bought the 360 first because of the Orange Box and Halo 3. And I hung on to it for a long time because it kept getting good games. It wasn't until the PS3 said it was no long going to be backward compatible that I grabbed one, because I liked that function. And then, I slowly started to drift over to the PS3 side. One, online was free. I could play and chat with my friends without spending any money, which I loved. HUGE point in the PS3's favor. Next, the vast majority of my friends were on the PS3, while only two were on the 360 (and one of them also had a PS3), so I had a bigger pool of company on the PS3. Finally, there were the trophies. At first I didn't care about them, but then two of my work friends started egging me on, sucking me into their little trophy race. It wasn't long before I was hooked, looking for games that I could enjoy and get a lot of trophies on. That sense of competition was lacking on the 360, because no one was there.

And so, when the new generation came around, my friends all upgraded to PS4, while none of them picked up an Xbox One. Throw in the fact that console exclusives are becoming rarer and rarer, and there just is no desire in me to spend that much money on something I won't touch that often. I'll probably pick one up eventually because I want to give Halo 5 a shot, but the system is going to need a lot more than just that one game before it can make me consider grabbing it.
 

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I think the real reason is simply that they put Kinect on it and ended up with a machine that was more expensive than the PS4 while also being less powerful. Steam proves that most customers accept less rights, but a weaker, more expensive console without a good library is doomed.
 

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I felt cheated enough after the 360. The moment I realised that they expected me to pay a subscription so that I could simply play a game online with a friend was the moment I realised that I was done with Microsoft consoles. I paid for the console and I paid for the game. I deserve to be able to play the damn thing. Plus, Microsoft would do so much more if people let them get away with it, and people will let them get away with it sooner or later.
 

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Their was a general consensus among everyone I've talked to that Xbone was a console tailored toward media rather than gaming, which to be totally honest isn't a big turn off for me, but a LOT of that media stuff which their advertising campaign was based around seemed to be U.S specific and was thusly a massive middle finger to me.
So yeah, I basically resolved not to buy an XBONE ,although tbf I haven't bought a Playstation yet but probably will eventally.
 
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i guess a lot of bad blood. its not just back peddling, these "features" were meant to be irreversible... then got reversed.
for me, its it being touted as a console second and a multimedia device first that bothers me
 

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I guess, I dont know anything about the Bone. Some say the difference between the two is negligible, some say otherwise. Others think that the RAM or something of the Bone is faster, others say its slower.
The Xbone is quite a lot slower than the PS4, which is best demonstrated by the number of games that run at 720p on the Xbone but 900p or 1080p on the PS4.

The reason is mostly a slower GPU, but also the use of cheaper RAM* and a cheaper memory controller, so even if it had the more expensive GDDR5 it wouldn't be able to make as efficient use of it. The eSRAM chip in the Xbone is meaningless, at 32MB it's not big enough to do anything useful and it's only there so Microsoft can say the Xbone's memory can be faster than the PS4 under very specific circumstances. Exclusive titles might make use of it but multi-platform games mostly don't bother.

*Technically both systems use DDR3, the Xbone uses normal unbuffered DDR3 RAM like you get in a home computer, whilst the PS4 uses GDDR5, which is a derivative of the DDR3 standard intended specifically for use in graphics cards. GDDR5 can write and re-write much faster than normal DDR3, which is ideal for constantly updating rendering, the PS4 has the better RAM as far as games are concerned.
 

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Because it's not that good.

It's home layout is pretty shitty, it's slow to do anything, and if I have to log in like 8 times again to buy something off the marketplace, or play a game, i'm done.
 

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I have just about every major system with the exception of the Xbox 360.

PS3
PS4
Wii
WiiU
PS2
Xbox
Xbox One
Gamecube

You name it, I probably have it (with the exception of older, harder to find consoles with small libraries)

That being said, out of all of them, I use my Xbox One the absolute least. I even use my WiiU more than it, and I only have like...4 games I'd consider playing on it.
It's not that necessarily I find the Xbox One bad, but when I have a gaming PC and a console with arguably better exclusives and better ports (PS4) there's hardly a reason to get the One except for brand loyalty.
 

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People hated MS choices for the XB1 and fine thats great. People raged. An MS changed and made their console what the raging fans wanted. An what happened? People moaned that they changed? I dont know. Seems that this gen has been the most boring. Nearly two years in and zero games and loads of reboot. This year will be different I feel. This christmas will have loads of good games that cant be played on previous gen consoles.
 

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When it was first revealed, all of the features seemed to suggest that I MUST play Xbox games THEIR way or not at all. If I want to buy physical discs, I can piss off. If I want to play offline, I can piss off. If I want to borrow or rent or buy used games, I can fuck off. Yeah, Microsoft backtracked on a lot of that since then, even going so far as to kill Kinect (finally) but now that all of that is out of the way, the Xbone doesn't have any games that I want to play. I'm not saying it doesn't have any games at all, I'm just saying that I've already played Halo 1 - 4, I don't care about Forza, Titanfall isn't worth the price of admission and, Killer Instict is of a genre that I don't really like. Then there are games like Wolfenstein: The New One, Thief, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Dark Souls 2, GTA5, Ass Creed 4, Shadow Warrior, Metro Redux, Shadow of Mordor, Far Cry 4, Thief and, Watch_Dogs...the ones that I can't already play now on the PS3 look/perform better on the PS4 (apparently).
 

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I dislike the way Microsoft went back on everything it promised was an integral part of the Xbone: Kinect, DRM, all that jazz.
Never trust a company that can't even trust itself.
 

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It's a console. As a PC gamer that's enough reason for me. Oh, you wanted more? *shrugs*

They might have rolled back all the stupid shit everyone lost their shit over but the fact that they tried to force it anyway and call them features rather than chains is downright insulting. Also i really don't see much in their library that cannot be found in a different platform. It was barely able to outperform the shitbox of a 6 year old computer I had before I replaced it last year. Shitty launch was shitty. Shitty product is shitty.
 

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I hate on it because of what happened with its last console more than anything.

I came in late to the last console generation cause there were no games that made me want to play, in the end i bought a discounted 360, cause i thought it would be cheaper than getting a PC to play Fallout. (Mistake Number 1)

Then I started playing ME, since 2 had already come out, and all its DLC was already available and ME3 was 2 years away I thought i could get a good run out of those games (Mistake Number 2)

ME3 Shitstorm came and went and I only ever kept the console because had already bought a year of Gold and was going to let it run out before just pawning the thing (Mistake Number 3)

here I am now with a console no one wants to buy, and frankly the most ironic thing is that I only ever use it to watch youtube on the Big Screen TV, since I dont even watch cable TV anymore, so hey MS, you finally got me to use your Home Media Center for TV with the Cloud. Kudos to you.
 

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i dislike it simply because it has very few games that i'm interested in, though i'd say the same about the ps4 if the xbox wasn't there to show how lackluster it's game library could be. though i don't like the main genres. i like rpgs and strategy games. to an average gamer, i think they like the xbox for the most part.
 

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I don't like if for the same reason that I don't like the PS4. Nothing (exclusive) worth buying it for yet and no backwards compatibility with the previous gen to make the transition a little more justifiable. Don't care about the launch drama. MS changed it so whatever.

I have a PC and a WiiU, both of which satisfy my gaming needs for the time being. I wouldn't mind getting one of PS4/XB at some point though.

From the very little I've read it seems the PS4 supports better graphics/higher resolutions than the Xbox, but it also seems both newer gen consoles have fairly inconsistent frame-rate performance anyway which I take as reason to wait until devs figure out the new architecture. Currently the XBONE w/o Kinnect is retailing for $100 less than the PS4 in my country, so if for some reason I wanted to buy one of them now, I'd probably take the $100 over performance?
 

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I don't find any reason to hate on it anymore simply because I have no reason to care about it at all since the only thing it has that interests me is Killer Instinct.
 

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COMaestro said:
Ihateregistering1 said:
-This is the one that is just inexcusable, but I don't care because I don't play online, but "XBox Gold", and having to pay to play multiplayer. Seriously Microsoft? Sony figured out this was a terrible idea back with the PS3, and you guys still haven't hopped on this train yet? If I played Games online I definitely would have bought a PS4 instead.
Actually, Sony has shifted their online policies with the PS4, so a PS+ subscription is required for online play. But ONLY for online play, you can do any other online stuff without the subscription. I think MS has altered their policies, but I do know you used to need Gold just to watch Netflix. I believe a year of PS+ is cheaper than a year of Gold though, but don't quote me on that.
Did they really? Ok didn't know that, so now I guess I am glad I got an Xbone :) But no, actually Microsoft did change the policy on Netflix about a year ago and you no longer need gold membership to access Netflix (I don't know about Hulu or any of those other things).

Nowadays, with smart TVs though, a lot of that stuff is sort of moot. My TV isn't even a top of the line Smart TV and I can access Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, Amazon Prime, and the internet from it. Isn't technology great?
 

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Microsoft tried to fuck us over. Just because they backed down does not change that fact for me. It also helps that they have fuck all exclusives that are in any way interesting to me.
So basically what you're saying with this is that if a company does something stupid they should not change because those of us who lose trust won't trust them again regardless? Yeah, that's a good attitude that will give companies the right idea of what to do.

OT: I like what the Xbox was supposed to be (minus the online bullshit, that can go burn), a media device that would work well for both games and passive forms of media. From what I can see, it's a device that doesn't do either better than the consoles I already own and not even close to what my PC can do. So I dislike it simply for what it is. A console without games that I have any interest in that doesn't offer me any advantages.