So are you saying we should assume that everything whose existance can't be proved at the moment probably doesn't exist? What about Neutrons? They were believed to "probably exist" for decades before it was proved. They believed neutrons existed because it explained other phenomena on molecular level which they had observed. So if someone can give a good argument on how a soul would explain different phenomena, couldn't the existance of a soul be accepted as "probably true"?Blind Sight said:
Do people have souls???
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For some reason, this doesn't seem right to me. If you had said that you don't believe in an afterlife, thus you don't believe in a soul it would make sense, but what you are basically saying is that you don't believe in it because you don't want it to be true.DarthFennec said:
First, define "soul".
If you've done that we can continue with this discussion. See you in a couple of centuries.
If you've done that we can continue with this discussion. See you in a couple of centuries.
If you have a soul, you also have a body. How does the soul interact with the body? We know that the body is a bundle of chemicals that is only affected by natural forces that we understand. If the soul is to affect it, it must employ natural forces.
In such a case, there is no reason to think the soul to be anything supernatural.
That, or the soul simply resides inside the body and does nothing to affect its actions. In which case, what's the point?
In such a case, there is no reason to think the soul to be anything supernatural.
That, or the soul simply resides inside the body and does nothing to affect its actions. In which case, what's the point?
Hence the use of the word 'probably' and the term 'at this time' in my post rather then an absolutist stance. I'm open to the idea, but the evidence does not point towards it.WaderiAAA said:
To be honest the concept of a 'soul' just seems to be humans trying to define themselves as special in some way. It's far more egotistic then say, a neutron, thus I'm skeptical towards it.
I do believe we have one. I'm also religious. I can't explain why I believe there is a God, it's just a feeling I have. And if anyone tries to convert me using logic or patronizes my belief, I will punch them in the head.
I can't really explain what makes me think we have a soul, I guess I just see the world and think "This is way too beautiful and grand to be a fluke."
I can't really explain what makes me think we have a soul, I guess I just see the world and think "This is way too beautiful and grand to be a fluke."
The only approach that keeps me sane.Blind Sight said:
I don't personally believe in a 'soul' so to speak, but I have to admit we humans are an amazing species.
First off, I would like to point out that science has no place in trying to determine whether or not humans have souls. This is due to the fact that the test of whether or not something is scientific is the question "Can this be proven wrong?". So, for example, the statement "Water is made of hydrogen and flourine" is obviously scientific because it can be disproved. The statement "Humans have souls" is not scientific because no one can theoretically disprove it. So your first reason is opperating on somewhat shakey logic. However, your other two reasons are solid.DutchAssassin8 said:
OT: As someone who believes in both God and Science (figure that one out. I'm still trying to), I have to say that I believe souls exist, but I do not beleive that I can prove that statement to be true or false.
There is a good reason why Science and Religion are kept separate: Science relies on tangible, physical evidence to explain how and why things happen the way they do, while Religion relies purely on faith.
This is a easy one: there is no answer. Say believe what you want, have a soul or not that's all it is, a belief. Until you die, there is no true answer, and by then you probably won't give a shit.
Btw, I'm Catholic, but not practicing or even truly believing, yet I wouldn't go so far as to atheistic.
Btw, I'm Catholic, but not practicing or even truly believing, yet I wouldn't go so far as to atheistic.
Yep. You know the idea of "I think, therefore, I am"? It's like that. We all are aware of ourselves, that could be because we have souls.
Also, I'm a Christian, so...
Also, I'm a Christian, so...
That's actually not occam's razor per se. Quoted from wikipedia:Blind Sight said:
"The principle is popularly, but incorrectly, summarized as "the simplest explanation is more likely the correct one." The principle of Occam's Razor recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions (aka postulates, entities). It is also important that the two hypotheses be equal in other respects; for instance, they must both sufficiently explain available data in the first place. It is in this sense that Occam's razor is usually understood"
I agree with you that people underestimate the true miracle that their mind is and attribute it to something made up like a 'soul'
The subject of souls is a human concept, maybe we have them, maybe we don't. I like to think the people 'with souls' are the good people, the helpful ones with no real agenda. The ones who have a mutual understanding and respect for others, even if its not many.
Its the ones who are nasty, bitter towards others all the time and generally make others lives a misery in one way or another who lost them a good long time ago who don't.
And then there's lawyers. XD
Its the ones who are nasty, bitter towards others all the time and generally make others lives a misery in one way or another who lost them a good long time ago who don't.
And then there's lawyers. XD
I beleive that human beings are far more than the sum of thier parts and chemical reactions in the brain. I don't think free will can be explained by anything other than the existance of a soul. "you can't tell me, it all ends, in a slow ride in a hearse." Brooks and Dun song lyric.
