Do schools need to make changes to understand the gaming culture?

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Ouroboros0977

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I think for my all boys school (in England). I was expected to write a short descriptive story about an assassination. The teachers were somewhat shocked when I wrote about the target getting his throat cut, but even so I still got an A due to the detail I went into about the scenery and such.
 

Jacob Haggarty

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personally, i agree somewhat about the anti-violent writing. OK, it shouldnt be punished the way it is, after all when your twelve it is just interesting to write about things like this. But i dont think it should be encouraged in any way.

Also, i think what she says about videogaming being a "symptom" and not a "problem" was a bit strange. Not in the sense that there is nothing worng with gaming, but i think its more like a cycle: a repressed culture lead to a child going to videogames, which in turn captivate the child into thinking MORE about that which they are told not to. They go to school and are told this is bad, and go back onto their games who say its good, go to school, go to games, school games etc. They're both as bad as each other in some respects.

I think the easiest way to overcome a problem with boys is in parenting. Parents play a HUGE role in shaping their child, if some people are to be believed. It might not be BAD parenting though, because who can say what bad parenting actually IS? But stimulating a child into an equal amount of exercise and other leisure activities (early on, like 4-5 years old) i think would almost entirely eradicate some of these problems.

But i do like what she says about the lack of male classroom role models, that makes sense.

However, the numbers ARE from america, and america does have some strange rules about this sort of thing. Here in england these problems arent so prevelant, and violent writing isnt punished. It is by no means encouraged, but (at least the teachers i've had) teachers have recognised that violence can be done creatively. For instance, a story where someone goes into a house a butchers a familly, with as much obscene detail as possible isnt accepted as much as one that follows the same story with more of an emphasis on the thoughts and feelings of the characters. Conflicting emotions is like a 1up mushroom.
 

zarix2311

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I agree with her 100% schools do need to at least better understand the new popular culture. people need to stop expecting so much from their kids. Example: I could read and write about complex topics when I was quite young and often did, so could my cousin, but the difference is that his mom forced him to, mine didn't. Now he's really smart, but doesn't enjoy hanging out with his mom, I'm really smart and I love hanging out with my parents.

see the difference :)
 

Plurralbles

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... This is why people are still going to be laerning algebra in remedial college classes and the reading ACT score will still be going down.
 

Darktan2112

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I live in Iowa in the US. When I was 18 three years ago, I wrote a detailed account on my facebook wall about performing an assassination, and purposely left out that it was as a rogue in WoW until the end of the post for humor. The next day, I was told by teachers that I could go to jail if I did that again.

WTF, right? They might as well send you to jail if you play video games. That's basically the point that schools are trying to assert.
 

Owyn_Merrilin

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She's right, of course. Schools in America have a lot of problems, with the zero tolerance policies and standardized testing being two big ones, possibly the two biggest. I hope after watching this, the people on this forum like @Simulord, who always advocate fighting back when a person is being bullied, will understand a little bit more where those of us who say it's a bad idea are coming from. Zero tolerance policies are terrible, and, in my experience, lead to more bullying, since the administration really has no say on the punishemnt; regardless of who started it, or what the circumstances are, both parties get in trouble. The bullies are generally smart enough to keep any physical violence low key enough that they won't get caught, but if the poor kid who's getting bullied on a day to day basis finally decides to fight back, lord help him, because the administration won't.
 

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Ugh. This sort of stuff depresses me. See, the major problem with Elementary schools and High Schools is that they are compulsory, and thus there is a very large segment of the attendees who are not invested in being there.

This wave of uncaring (and often unwilling) participants, combined with the attitude of their teachers that 'everyone is a special little flower' (I won't say it's a liberal attitude, because I know plenty of liberals who don't think that way) creates a paradox: the teachers want to treat each student as an individual, but they literally don't have the time, so they apply a template-- one that is usually rife with their own biases and beliefs... and since they didn't grow up gaming, it's very hard for them to understand that aspect of their students' psyches. It becomes even more difficult because the students are resistant to the process.

Another aspect, both humorous and chilling, is the application of both the 'Peter Principle' and 'You Get What You Pay For'. The salaries we pay our teachers in the USA are laughable, realistically only attracting those who do not have great talents at education, and then promoting them to the point where they are incompetent.

TL;DR- I encourage what is espoused in this video, at a minimum because it presents forward thinking and a break from the established (but antiquated) processes in place. However, given the obstacles we face, I doubt that it will be very effective, simply because I doubt it will be widely adopted... at least until we get the current regime to retire.
 

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Jazzyjazz2323 said:
Pararaptor said:
In a lot of classrooms today, you're not allowed to write about anything that's violent
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What the fuck kind of fucked-up thought-control school does this?
Yes I was given an F junior year of high-school solely because my short story was about a serial killer...It's sadly highly prevalent throughout most high-schools at least in Texas.
Wow. Is that only in elementary schools or... Edit: Sorry, I see you were in high school. It's just that the lady was talking about elementary for the most part.
I've been writing texts about suicide, and others that at least included combat (though the main character was running from it)

Does the same go for sex?
Just last week, in class, my teacher was talking about how a short story about christmas eve can't be very interesting. There's no room for an interesting turn of events. Then I suggested that "what if it ended up turning into an orgy?", and then we went on to discuss for a moment, euphemisms for an orgy (Since short-stories are the art of suggestion, after all).
"And then the christmas decorations found a new and unorthodox use" for example.

Edit: Come to think of it... In eight grade English class, we were assigned to write a short story that incorporated the word 'peckish' among others. So I wrote a story about our teacher, being peckish, eating all us students.

Edit: And another one about an assasin killing a person and putting his head in his wife's tent (I was pretty hyped up about assasin's creed at the time)
 

Drummie666

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Truly strange that this is texas banning violence, considering that they are, like, the most violent people in the US.

But then again, this is texas, the guys who are so stupid that they had the wrong flag on their voting papers for years without anyone noticing.
 

SilkySkyKitten

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I must agree with this woman, not only since she has many good points to share but also because I had an experience back in Kindergarten that fits along with what she was talking about. Back then, I was an extremely rowdy young boy, and my teacher literally hated me for it. She was an absolute ***** to me in numerous ways, going as far as to try and have me diagnosed with a learning disorder and ADHD. That plan totally backfired in her face, however, as after taking a series of special tests I was found to have a reading and comprehension level akin to that of a 4th grader. Thankfully, the rest of my elementary school career was a lot smoother, as I had some absolutely awesome teachers during 1st, 2nd, and 4th grade. Thanks to my experience in Kindergarten, though, I can totally see where this woman is coming from and I totally agree with her as well.

I also must say that I'm happy my schools haven't been too overly crazy with their zero-tolerance policies as some I've heard of. Granted, my former high school stirred up controversy by trying to expel a student who had a box cutter in his car for his job. Other than that, however, I've written rather violent short stories, drawn detailed and realistic guns in class, and I even have a real yet non-fireable .357 Magnum bullet attached to my keychain, yet none of my schools have tried to expel me or suspend me for such things. Perhaps I simply am lucky and go unnoticed due to my deceivingly docile appearance, but I am thankful no less considering the stories I've heard.
 

Tanis

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Yep, Americans are retards.
It's nothing new, we're a nation based on hypocritical notions.

'Land of the Free' - with slaves galore.
'Land of Opportunity' - as we destroy the poor.


I'm still amazed that Shakespeare is still read in schools...some nasty stuff going on in there.
 

Wolfenbarg

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With the exception of Texas apparently, lack of violence as part of writing material is more of the problem in younger environments, and that's the prime point she's making. In high school I could write shorts about serial killers or blood curses if I wanted, but if I tried to write about something destructive at a young age, my parents would be suggested to get me medicated. It's at the young age that schools aren't fostering maturity in males through a lack of understanding, and that's part of why we lose them at an older age. By the time the classroom becomes a setting fitting for all walks of teenage life, many of us already despise the setting.

Now as for the title... I don't know. I think that might be a backward step. Having schools build around the current gaming culture could do a lot of harm I think. Accepting current standards means embracing things that may not belong in elementary or middle schools. I think her idea of approaching the games industry on the other hand is the right idea. Gaming building a sector around schools can do an incredible amount of good, especially if they can approach education in a way that doesn't have mechanics that bore kids to tears. I think Extra Credits did an episode on this, did they not? I'll have to look that up.

Also, kudos on a good discussion topic. I'm glad people in the thread didn't just jump at the title without watching the video first.
 

Jabberwock xeno

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Jazzyjazz2323 said:
Pararaptor said:
In a lot of classrooms today, you're not allowed to write about anything that's violent
[HEADING=2]WHAT.[/HEADING]
What the fuck kind of fucked-up thought-control school does this?
Yes I was given an F junior year of high-school solely because my short story was about a serial killer...It's sadly highly prevalent throughout most high-schools at least in Texas.
Not here, that wouldn't be an issue.

Here, the teachers and staff are great, the county's polices are very stupid.
 

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Darktan2112 said:
I live in Iowa in the US. When I was 18 three years ago, I wrote a detailed account on my facebook wall about performing an assassination, and purposely left out that it was as a rogue in WoW until the end of the post for humor. The next day, I was told by teachers that I could go to jail if I did that again.

WTF, right? They might as well send you to jail if you play video games. That's basically the point that schools are trying to assert.
How about that. I didn't realise teachers were the facebook police.
 

BlueGlowstick

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I graduated May '10. (almost said '01... OOPS!)

Yes, the schools don't like us writing about violence. After what happened last Saturday & on 9/11, I'm not surprised! But when I was a junior, they asked me in my topic what I thought about teenagers & violence & shit. I told the truth about what I thought (from personal experience.)

I've always made excellent grades in English, and the only time I've ever wrote about violence was when I read about it.
 

Spoon E11

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I think everyone should try and understand all cultures on a basic level. If you think about it video games have only become a culture within the last 25 years or so. Before then it was more of a pastime. Video games has come a longway, possibly too quickly. If it had been slower then perhaps it would be more recognisable as a culture.

In the UK it's frowned upon talking about bloody violence in primary school (5-11) but not banned. And in secondary school (11-16) you can generally wright about what you like. But recomended you don't swear and use specialist language in exams, as the examiner may not approve.
 

Sexy Street

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This video is almost exactly right. The entire school system is xenophobic about video games, and even the teachers that are gamers are heavily looked down upon by their peers. There does need to be a revamping of this entire school system.