Do some gamers want to exclude others from gaming?

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Genocidicles

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It's not about people wanting there to be no casual games at all.

It's about people being upset that their favourite franchises are being changed to draw in casuals.
Nowadays everything has to have multiplayer , everything needs some stupid facebook component, everything needs to be easy to pick up and play. Instead of making a new series for casuals though, devs are just changing old ones with established fanbases.

It'd be like if they added a new character into Lord of the Rings who was an average American from the real world sent back in time, just to give people unfamiliar with Lord of the Rings someone to relate to.
 

Something Amyss

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Fappy said:
Many gamers want video games to be "their thing". If they see the popular cheer leader at school playing Angry Birds on their phone they may feel enraged because they feel she is encroaching on their hallowed ground and the take that anger out on the casual game she was playing. It's human nature unfortunately.
Thank God I'm not human, I guess.
 

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of course i do, why? because these are the kind of people that give big publishers money for giving us a shovel to the face, fuck them all.
 

Lilani

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Yes I do.
But it's such a tough call, I simply think games SHOULDN'T be catered to everyone. Of course the people I'm targeting are kids. 15 and under specifically, most above that age are mature enough not to be a twat.
Furthurmore I bet you've all seen parents complaining about their kids and videogames being blamed for it instead of bad parenting. I'm just sick of it.

A lot of people would probably disagree and that's fine, I just think the current generation of kids are extremely immature and giving them the option to go online with anonymity on a virtual environment probably isn't the best idea.
But isn't this an issue of developers and producers not adequately splitting up their demographics? I mean, target audiences changing with any sort of entertainment is inevitable. You only have to study film or literary history to see that. It cannot be avoided, so acting like it "shouldn't" happen to games is like saying books for young adults and teenagers "shouldn't" be written just because that demographic didn't appear until very recently.

So is it really the casual gamer's fault for coming on the scene and developers dealing with them by dumbing everything down rather than only casual titles? Hell, these people probably don't know what developers and producers are. They don't know Pop Cap from Bethesda. How is any of this their fault?
 

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Well there are less Jrpgs this generation . Whoever is responsible , i hope they get hit by a truck . Seriously , iv'e been relying on my ps2 for my jrpg fix
What? There are just as many JRPG's this gen as there were last gen. Most of them are just on Handhelds like the 3DS, DS, PSP, and Vita. If you are talking about Consoles, then yes, there are fewer, but that is because they have different Venues that make them more money (unless your name is Atlus).
Yeah they are all on handhelds . I was talking about consoles . I'm not saying they are non-existant , but they are considerably less than in previous generation . Their popularity have dwindled a lot . Which means that my prefered genre is becoming niche , while dozens of shooters are gettig made . What i said might be mean , and i understand publishers are making A LOT more money on genre i am not interested in . I am just bitter that's all . And i admit i'm very bitter about that . The problem lies with me not the industry , but i'll man up and admit it .

As for handhelds , yes there are tons of them , but these are low budget games ( that doesn't mean it's bad ) i would just love some more AAA Jrpgs . But the cost to make them is huge , and the profit from them are tiny . I guess i just haven't moved on with the times .
 

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yes, some people discriminate (I call these people dicks) Imhowever want as many people to game as possible. Spread the fun!
Everyone discriminates. Yes, even you.

To answer the OP's question: No, that would be a very dumb reason. It's just frustrating to see more and more developers focusing on pulling everyone aboard by making the difficulty so incredibly low that there's hardly any challenge left. Maybe this is just a phase, like bronies and dubstep. Or at least that's what I hope.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Fappy said:
Many gamers want video games to be "their thing". If they see the popular cheer leader at school playing Angry Birds on their phone they may feel enraged because they feel she is encroaching on their hallowed ground and the take that anger out on the casual game she was playing. It's human nature unfortunately.
Thank God I'm not human, I guess.
Humans are weak, fleshy things. Robots are superior.
 

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I'd like diversity in both audience and delivered content.

"What's wrong with the industry" is that it largely becomes a dull copy-paste mess that doesn't dare trying new things or appealing to various niche (but still profitable) audiences.

Everyone wants the biggest slice of the cake when they could have several small ones instead.
 

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Yes, some people do.

"Fucking casuals."
"Stupid noobs."

There are a lot of players who dislike other players for being newer to a game,less dedicated to the hobby, or simply less skilled.

That's a completely different point to being annoyed at easy games, or being annoyed at homogenisation, etc. Some people mix the two, conflating the audience with the problem. It isn't. If publishers aren't financing, or devs aren't making, the games that you want, that's on them. Not the audience who wants to buy something different. It's not the casuals and new players(Which we all were once), who are to blame. It's the people making the games. They're to blame. Genocidicles: If there was a time-warped American put into LOTR? You'd blame TOLKEIN. Not the audience. The audience is the reason he did it, but the audience simply admires his work. They're FANS. L0dest0ne: Really? Because if I'm not mistaken, we've had some pretty damn awesome games of late, and they're not getting worse off. They're certainly aiming towards a less hardcore market, sure. That's not the casuals fault, and indeed, since their aim is to consume the media you enjoy and become *gasp* like us, we should be criticising those who would simplify games to appeal to the wider audience, many of whom were interested with it as it was, not the audience. These people are designing by comittee and focus group testing. They're bad for all of us.

Also, our hobby in online spaces does tend to have an unfortunate attitude of misogyny (Along with other things). I typically play online multiplayer a lot, my most played games recently have probably been Killing Floor and Counter Strike: GO, and most players go crazy as soon as they hear a female on mike. It's really disturbing, and more than a little aggravating to me. I'm a straight guy. I like girls, and you know what? I'd like it if girls were interested in the video games (Yes. I just made my argument from an entirely selfish voice. And there's a good reason for that. These people are jerks, and jerks act in self interest. You're not going to convince them to "Treat others as you'd like to be treated"). And I really don't like it when stupid jackasses who spend their spare time calling each other virgins over the results of an FPS decide to attack women simply for their gender, and driving them out of the servers. I've got female friends who enjoy games, some from real life, some from gaming clans. And they're definitely in the minority of some areas. For instance, the gaming clan membership is predominantly male (No exclusion, we just have less women interested, I'm not sure if it's the context, or the recruiting pool), and less women communicating on microphone in game. Now, whether women are playing and are silent, or are simply avoiding public servers, it's irrelevant. Jackasses are making a varied community impossible, and excluding half the gender over their preschool hangups on cooties. I find it impossibly moronic that these people would like girls to like them, making sexual activity a status symbol, and yet would actively work against women being interested in them long term.

I think we need to work on who we exclude. We should be excluding the xBox live kids with their inane obscenities. We should exclude the racists, misogynists, and homophobes. We should clean house, and make them the minority in our communities. Because while we let them do it, they become more and more the prominent feature of those spaces.

Phew. That became a massive tangential rant.
 

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snekadid said:
As I see it, we as gamers are not looking to exclude casuals from gaming, however there is a definite negative to the induction of casual as an official and "popular" genre. Again, this isn't so much their fault due to action but because of their existence the greedy corporations see the opportunity for easy money and the "gamers"<not a specific bias, I just hate the term hardcore and I've already classified the other party as casuals> are suffering for it.
That's certainly the way you see it and a lot of the time that's how it is.
But I'm not going to pretend I haven't met several people with a seething hatred for `casuals` and anyone they see as casual. It's not a rare thing, and should someone go looking for these people in gaming communities they are not hard to find (mostly cause they tend to ***** loudly).

So, yeah, that also happens, but there are loads of people who do want gaming to be `their thing` and their safe little treehouse and get annoyed when they feel it is threatened.
 

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There's a market for everything, and PC games are on the rise again, even or especially the 'complex' ones.
 

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I gotta admit, I kinda want to exclude all the stupid people I get on my team in EVERY SINGLE MULTIPLAYER GAME IN THE WORLD....(breathe).

I wouldn't mind if they weren't around much at all. 90% of the reason I avoid any form of multiplayer is "stupid team" syndrome, the other 10% are cheaters.
 

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I think what gamers want is not to exclude people but for the new people who come in to gaming to not just complain that things are too hard for them and for it to be changed instead of trying to rise to the challenge and get good at games.
 

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Yes, I think they do.

I don't, but I do want games to stop trying to cater to everyone. Make some games of some people, others for others. I don't mind Genre's mixing every now and again, but trying to make a game that is perfect for everyone won't work, and just makes it shit for everyone, average at best, and who remembers the average games?

But I don't have a problem with anyone really playing games. It's not something I own exclusively, so I don't see how I have the right to demand exclusion.
 

Canadamus Prime

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I think it's more the fact that they don't want gaming to change in order to accommodate new people, and yeah I guess I can understand that.
 

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I don't want to exclude people. I do want companies to stop going after the CoD audience. It's happened with franchises from Mass Effect to Resident Evil, and it needs to stop. The majority of CoD players buy one game a year and it's CoD. They aren't interested in Mass Effect 3 and Resident Evil 6, so stop turning RPGs and survival horror into shooters.
 

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I'm sorta torn on this issue. I'd like to have more people play games. It's much better alternative than to have gaming being seen as something evil or something only psychopaths do like people like Jack Thompson would want you to believe.

At the same time, I feel there is a line to be drawn. If a game developer tries to appeal to too many different kinds of audiences, the overall product suffers. Mass Effect 3 and Resident Evil 6 seem to be good examples of this.

As for games being too easy? I assume that most of the people on here have been gaming for several years, so perhaps you guys are just having an easier time due to experience? Not saying that this is always the case. Just something I've been thinking about.