Do we enjoy hating things?

[Scarim Coral]

I guess but fair dues, for the whole "Stupid teachers"" and "stupid classmate" they were merely stating when they had a stupid teachers or classmates (stating is not hate). I mean it was somewhat of a rant well explaining for the reasons why they were stupid so it wasn't exactly getting glee for exlaining why they hate that teacher or classmate (judging sure it still isn't hate).

 

[someonehairy-ish]

I enjoy hating things. In fact I hate you! Graaaah

...

Anyway, hating on things is great fun if lots of people agree with you. It makes your fuzzy monkey brain go 'oooh, I'm a smart cookie, everyone agrees!' If no-one agrees with you then it's less fun, unless you were trying to troll those people.

 

[Chased]

I generally find that someone who openly engages in long, hateful conversations do so in order to feel better about them self through elitism. I find this is especially common with music, people often compare bands to make themselves feel superior to others in some way, (for example: your band sucks and mine is awesome so therefore I am a better person then you are because you can't comprehend why this music is so great.")

 

[ElPatron]

Yes, we do. I dislike and hate a lot of things. And simply put I enjoy not having to be forced to like those things.

No, we do not love arguments and hating on things. Not REALLY. Or rather, not people.

Yes we do. It's like puppies playing "fight". Somehow we engage in discussions about FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS because somehow we think it's some sort of practice for real world situations.

Or sometimes, people have associated themselves so much with certain things their personality takes an attack on things they lose as an attack on their identity.

It's not a matter of knowledge. It's a matter of superiority. For some reason I had to study Philosophy for two years, and the Greeks developed Sophism - the art of using rhetoric to deceive people. It's used by politicians worldwide. Raising taxes has been killing the economies instead of stimulating them, but the general population was lead to believe it was a good idea. No matter how stupid your ideas are, you can always use arguments to convince a few people.

 

[In Search of Username]

We enjoy having strong opinions on things, I think. Love or hate, just either way it's more interesting than just thinking 'meh' or having no interest whatsoever in something.

 

[FalloutJack]

-Snip-

FYI: Puppies play-fighting isn't really fighting OR hating. It's playing.

Aside from that, I didn't want to hear this kind of argument either. I have NO idea where this logic comes from. The mere fact that I don't enjoy this discussion with you nullifies the whole premise you're trying to establish, and the OP's. People do not enjoy hating things. They HATE hating things and want them dealt with. Relief FROM such things is not enjoyment. It's release from pain.

Study more philosophy. You're not done yet. And no, I do not find this amusing.

 

[rosac]

I find it hard to hate things. I tend to be optimistic about a lot of things, taking the best from a bad situation or person. However, if someone or something does something I completely disagree with (i.e. cheating with my coursemate who wasn't aware the guy in question had a girlfriend, causing her to feel terrible.) then I will dislike them. If they do more things that pisses me off (using my stuff without asking and expecting me to clean it) then I may eventually hate them.

This was over the course of a whole year by my flatmate by the way. He cheated on his girlfriend, who genuinely seemed to love him, roughly once a week. My whole flat hated him, especially as he kept trying to one up all the other guys in the flat (including me)

CAPTCHA: Be my friend? (with a heart above the "i" in friend.) LOLOLOLOL, given my last thread about friendzoning, this is hilarious.

 

[ElPatron]

-Snip-

FYI: Puppies play-fighting isn't really fighting OR hating. It's playing.

Which is exactly my point. Read my post again.

Aside from that, I didn't want to hear this kind of argument either. I have NO idea whhere this logic comes from. The mere fact that I don't enjoy this discussion with you nullifies the whole premise you're trying to establish

>I don't like X so therefore everyone dislikes it too

Not really a way to prove a point.

Study more philosophy. You're not done yet.

How has philosophy got anything to do with anything? I just mentioned one of the cornerstones of philosophy, the Sophism. Created in Ancient Greece and shit, so it has to be philosophy.

Anyway, I got you to not only use an irrelevant argument but also throw a low-blow on my person rather than my argument. I think you might enjoy hating more than you realize. You're a natural at this.

 

[FalloutJack]

-Ugh-

No, you're leaving me alone now. What you say doesn't make any sense and is designed to irritate me. Your very actions are proving what I said about El Trolls in my original post. You're asking me about philosophy, or rather not getting it when you brought it up, and you're doing it on a Sunday, my most-hated day of the week? Forget it. Insulting me and not understanding your own subjects does not an argument make.

 

[ElPatron]

What you say doesn't make any sense and is designed to irritate me.

It was not. I explained them carefully and told you to read them again in case you missed my point.

Your very actions are proving what I said about El Trolls in my original post.

Ad Hominem.

You're asking me about philosophy, or rather not getting it when you brought it up,

I mentioned Philosophy to introduce the subject of Sophism (or alternatively "why people feel superior even thought they know they are not being honest"). You're the one that used Philosophy as an Ad Hominem.

Insulting me and not understanding your own subjects does not an argument make.

Thing is, you insulted me and my intentions twice trough the use of Ad Hominem fallacies.

 

[FalloutJack]

-More Ugh-

*Searches for the off switch*

They never give you a manual to these things... And they just keep on digging if you let them go. Honestly, how could anyone mistake love from hate? Unless of course, the point was to keep baiting in some vain hope of trying to deflect the problem from himself, the root cause. I hate it when they do that.

 

[ElPatron]

-More Ugh-

*Searches for the off switch*

They never give you a manual to these things... And they just keep on digging if you let them go. Honestly, how could anyone mistake love from hate? Unless of course, the point was to keep baiting in some vain hope of trying to deflect the problem from himself, the root cause. I hate it when they do that.

See, you're only helping me prove the OPs point. Your analogy only leads me to believe you're trying to hide behind some kind of sense of superiority so that you can dismiss everything anyone says.

 

[Brendan Stepladder]

Well, talking about what we do like does not have as much discussion value as what we don't. When people both like something, they are of exactly equal mind, and no member of the conversation can say something to add depth to that. However, people can hate something for a wide variety of reasons, which churns up conversation.

 

[FalloutJack]

-More Ugh-

*Searches for the off switch*

They never give you a manual to these things... And they just keep on digging if you let them go. Honestly, how could anyone mistake love from hate? Unless of course, the point was to keep baiting in some vain hope of trying to deflect the problem from himself, the root cause. I hate it when they do that.

See, you're only helping me prove the OPs point. Your analogy only leads me to believe you're trying to hide behind some kind of sense of superiority so that you can dismiss everything anyone says.

No, it's just you. Suspicion doesn't make it true, and you have a very clear confusion between what one loves to do, hates to do, and doggedly has to deal with because of times like this. Hate to love and love to hate? These are backwards principles, incorrect attitudes. Even if you say you DO, you don't, unless there's something wrong with you. Warping the logic with anything: Dubious discussion, political debate, manipulation of opinion, etc. - none of that changes this simple premise. It only confuses people into thinking so because stuffs been done to make it wrong. But that's a hallucination. That's a fantasy.

Now, you probably won't agree with any of this. I expect not because you couldn't accept it to begin with and that doth make this entirely your fault. Furthermore, I just want to go on record that my comment about spreading sand in the ocean is entirely accurate. I KNOW you are going to just sit there and try to piece apart what I've said with your arguments. But I am denying you the leg to stand on in the first place. It was just bad, like trying to prove that violence in video games leads directly to real violence. It does not make the connection, so it is just a hopeful contradiction to the premise it is juxtaposed against. It is not true and you can't make it true.

 

[ElPatron]

incorrect attitudes

The problem is, this live is mine and I live it the way I want. The fact that you think you have the moral superiority to make that kind of claims only helps the foundation of the OPs point.

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The main issue isn't whether I agree with you or not. That's simply not the issue, there are 7 billion of us in this planet and it would be impossible to have all of us agree on anything.

The problem is that I justified my personal opinions while you are making use of logical fallacies (such as Ad Hominem) and just blatantly claiming superiority over people who dare to disagree with you.

You're exactly the same thing you mentioned on the first post. Except you made your mind and decided to call that thing a "troll" every time someone else that is not you behaves like that.

 

[FalloutJack]

-Snip again-

Now you're being rude, AND mistaken. You haven't justified ANYTHING to me. You just simply and automatically call what I say wrong after I do the same and give me nothing to build actual discussion value. Well, I'll tell you something you can take to the bank. (Okay, take it to the bank AGAIN, not that you see any value in what I say.) There are some things beyond opinion, especially things which are already human defined and made all a part of our understanding of life itself. I am stating what is, the simple and easiest heart of the matter, and you are going out of your way to disprove it. You claim fallacy because you wish to distort things. You insult me because you wish to discredit me, not because you want to SEE. Does the truth always have to be ugly? Do I have to always be a cynic? The fact that I am one and do not say hate is enjoyable defines that I exercise cynicism for the sake of what is realistic, which may many times be rather grim. This is not one of those times.

Seven billion people aren't hating all the time. If they loved it, there'd be more of it. But you will not listen. You will not change the truth. I do not dismiss out of bravado or arrogance. I do it because the evidence does not add up to the sums you've made in your head. Enjoy hatred? Don't be silly. People don't love war. Wars are fought until one side can no longer stand the sight of blood, boddies, and ruin. People do not love to hate, as in racism. They fear. I hate stupid people with a passion. There are too many DUH moments in the world. There are too many greedy fuckwits who don't know shit about economics and that it screws up the finances of the world. There are too many people who say or do the wrong thing and invite disaster, disaster enough for a collective facepalm. I am not loving this, and neither is anyone else.

 

[ElPatron]

Now you're being rude, AND mistaken.

Thing is, I am being as respectful as I have been trough the whole time.

You haven't justified ANYTHING to me

I justified my opinions on the subject right from the start. I don't feel like I have to repeat them.

If you do not wish to read them, you're free to ignore it. But don't even bother telling me I am trying to deceive anyone.

You claim fallacy because you wish to distort things.

No, I did it because you were insulting both me and my intentions as a way of discrediting my posts.

You insult me because you wish to discredit me

And so far I have only commented on your words. Unlike you, I am not discrediting your opinion by calling you names.

Seven billion people aren't hating all the time. If they loved it, there'd be more of it.

That is both a Strawman and an Appeal to Popularity.

 

[FalloutJack]

-BZZZT-

You're not contributing to this discussion. You are merely being disagreeable without merit or proper explanation. I don't know WHY you're going on like this. I'm here talking up a storm and most of what you've done is shake your head as though that were a retort. Well, that's just too bad, isn't it? You can go on shaking your head. You ARE mistaken and now this talk is over so's I don't derail the thread more than it might have by this bicker-fest which, as stated, is your fault. If this disappoints you, live with it. Everyone ELSE does, myself included.