Do you consider Lilith Aensland fans Lolicons?

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

But why they are there makes them completely different. Female fighters are hyper sexualized for the titillation of the male player. Male characters are again done to appeal to the male player. So a female player complaining about it is justified.

I never said it wasn't justified, I said it wasn't any more justified than a man complaining about his gender being hyper-sexualized as well.

The why is also not any different, at least not when you get down to the gist of things. Both genders are being made caricatures off, both are done so in the same way; by blowing up secundary sexual characteristics, and both are done so for the same reason; to appeal to the same audience so the game company sells more games.

I get where you are coming from now.

But why they are there makes them completely different. Female fighters are hyper sexualized for the titillation of the male player. Male characters are again done to appeal to the male player. So a female player complaining about it is justified.

No, a female complaining about it is like complaining about vibrators being built to pleasure a vagina and not some other orifice a man also has. Some games are made to appeal to males, its not a fucking issue.

I mean, shit. Why does EVERYTHING suddenly have to appeal to women? Whats so bad about making products for one specific gender?

So a woman isn't allowed to point out that she is being completely ignored by a dev? And that second part is something that I never came close to saying. I love the overreaction. Suddendly, when everything isn't being geared toward male gamers and female gamers are considered, PC has gone wild and girls are pushing for control of everything.

 

[LilithSlave]

EDIT: Wild Godwin appeared! Fighting games are actually neo-nazi indoctrination!

A wild misuse of the term "Godwin's Law" appeared! No one was ever able to compare sexism, racism, or homophobia to Social Darwinism ever again!

Hey, he just compared an antisemite white supremacist who wants the Jews out of their country to Aryanism! GODWIN'S LAW! GODWIN'S LAW!

Gee, I guess the fact that the Nazis were racist, sexist, heterosexist douchebags had NOTHING to do with the fact many people hate them. Clearly someone invoking Social Darwinist thought as an example of white male heterosexual privilege today must be trying to invoke the demonic image of Hitler. The Nazis had nothing to do with racism, sexism, homophobia, and Social Darwinism in general. RIGHT.

Those Nazis, such an isolated social vacuum. They don't resemble the Klu Klux Klan at all! Nope!

 

[Kurt Horsting]

Lilith is just easier to play then Morrigan since she has a normal dash. Her dashing mp pressure is so good when set up with her tick throws, her uppercut has a larger hit box and beats out crossups, and her tk fireball pressure is awesome. Although hit confirming into DI is more important then it is to learn with morrigan but she still has solid fundamentals. Oh aesthetics about whether or not liking her is akin to being a pedo... Do any of you guys even play Darkstalkers anymore? Seriously? Anyone?

W/e, I dont give two shits. I just play Talbain and spam es beast cannon, cr. mk command dash, and os hk throw. Top tier bullshit for life!

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I love the overreaction. Suddendly, when everything isn't being geared toward male gamers and female gamers are considered, PC has gone wild and girls are pushing for control of everything.

Yeah, because thats exactly what I said.

I would love to chat more but im busy reading this Nietzsche book. "Menschliches, Allzumenschliches".

I mean, shit. Why does EVERYTHING suddenly have to appeal to women? Whats so bad about making products for one specific gender?

It looks like you are saying that with the first sentence. And the second implies that an entire genre is just meant for guys.

 

[NikolaiK]

EDIT: Wild Godwin appeared! Fighting games are actually neo-nazi indoctrination!

A wild misuse of the term "Godwin's Law" appeared! No one was ever able to compare sexism, racism, or homophobia to Social Darwinism ever again!

Hey, he just compared an antisemite white supremacist who wants the Jews out of their country to Aryanism! GODWIN'S LAW! GODWIN'S LAW!

Gee, I guess the fact that the Nazis were racist, sexist, heterosexist douchebags had NOTHING to do with the fact many people hate them. Clearly someone invoking Social Darwinist thought as an example of white male heterosexual privilege today must be trying to invoke the demonic image of Hitler. The Nazis had nothing to do with racism, sexism, homophobia, and Social Darwinism in general. RIGHT.

Those Nazis, such an isolated social vacuum. They don't resemble the Klu Klux Klan at all! Nope!

A horrible attempt at a rebuttal appeared! When you use the terms 'Aryan' and 'Ubermensch', that is where the Nazism reference comes from, and hence, Godwin's Law. Also, Godwin's Law only applies where the Nazi reference comes way the hell out of nowhere. One second, feminism and the portrayal of women in fighting games, the next, all fighting games show an Aryan Ubermensch 'heterosexist' philosophy.
Also, please stop using capitalisation to the degree where all your responses sound like this
'Quote'
Sentence explaining that you've explained this before
NAZIS! WHITE STRAIGHT MEN!
Attempt at irony!

 

[LilithSlave]

I mean, eerily resembling an Aryan twist on the übermensch philosophy. Wow. Thats a first. Never heard that one before.

Well, you should have. It's not crazy. Everyone treats the Nazis and the Klan as this isolated social vacuum. Those days are over, racism and sexism have ended. And if anything, non-whites and women get nothing but special treatment and white men are the minorities! The white supremacist thought ended, women's suffrage won. Stop whining.

When all of the horrible things about the Nazis and the Klan can still be seen today in modern society. Just like the Nazis, just like the Klan, heterosexual white Christian men are seen as the ideal. In the West at least. Where black people and homosexuals are seen as a bunch of AIDS bearing criminals. Where almost all video games characters are some shade of pale. And almost all video games are there to make men feel badass and surrounded by a harem of women they consider to be sexually appealing.

A lot of society claims to revile nazis, and the clan, and the crusaders, and all those creepy groups. But we still live in a heteronormative society, with white privilege, with male privilege, where Christianity is the dominant moral system.

Lilith is just easier to play then Morrigan since she has a normal dash. Her dashing mp pressure is so good when set up with her tick throws, her uppercut has a larger hit box and beats out crossups, and her tk fireball pressure is awesome. Although hit confirming into DI is more important then it is to learn with morrigan but she still has solid fundamentals. Oh aesthetics about whether or not liking her is akin to being a pedo... Do any of you guys even play Darkstalkers anymore? Seriously? Anyone?

W/e, I dont give two shits. I just play Talbain and spam es beast cannon, cr. mk command dash, and os hk throw. Top tier bullshit for life!

You're awesome.

 

[NikolaiK]

I mean, eerily resembling an Aryan twist on the übermensch philosophy. Wow. Thats a first. Never heard that one before.

Well, you should have. It's not crazy. Everyone treats the Nazis and the Klan as this isolated social vacuum. Those days are over, racism and sexism have ended. And if anything, non-whites and women get nothing but special treatment and white men are the minorities! The white supremacist thought ended, women's suffrage won. Stop whining.

When all of the horrible things about the Nazis and the Klan can still be seen today in modern society. Just like the Nazis, just like the Klan, heterosexual white Christian men are seen as the ideal. In the West at least. Where black people and homosexuals are seen as a bunch of AIDS bearing criminals. Where almost all video games characters are some shade of pale. And almost all video games are there to make men feel badass and surrounded by a harem of women they consider to be sexually appealing.

A lot of society claims to revile nazis, and the clan, and the crusaders, and all those creepy groups. But we still live in a heteronormative society, with white privilege, with male privilege, where Christianity is the dominant moral system.

... Projection much? Also, using long words does not make you more clever, or more correct. It sounds, in fact, like you are wildly spouting doctrine in an attempt to make your half formed arguments remotely plausible. Also, yeah, all of the horrible things about the Nazis and the KKK can still be seen in modern western society. The Racial Purity laws, the rampant anti-semitism, open public racism from all white people, totally have to agree with you there.

 

[LilithSlave]

NAZIS! WHITE STRAIGHT MEN!
Attempt at irony!'

White straight men who thought white straight men were the best and that everyone else was inferior to them. And often killed them for such. A value that is still somewhat held in society today, even if many harboring and have internalized it aren't even aware. Thus terms like "white privilege" and "male privilege" and "heteronormative" and the like.

Godwin's law is for things like comparing PETA to Nazis. Not for the continued survival of Social Darwinist thought. Loads of people love comparing PETA to nazis. But it's an example of Godwin's Law because PETA aren't anything like nazis. And it's nothing more than a way to demonize them with a genocidally racist, sexist, homophobic figure.

And it's not out of nowhere. The idea of making men these strong figures to look up to and want to be or whatever, but women these objects to find sexy, has roots in Social Darwinist thought. A lot of the male privilege and sexism in society comes from the thought that women are weak and inferior, emotional beings, good for being sexy but not to be respected. While men are these glorious things of physical prowess, logical, and sexy because they are strong. If anything.

That is, the entire power fantasy itself, as it is largely in video games today, is incredibly reminiscent of Social Darwinism. A variety that still remains to put white heterosexual males above all other humans.

 

[NikolaiK]

NAZIS! WHITE STRAIGHT MEN!
Attempt at irony!'

White straight men who thought white straight men were the best and that everyone else was inferior to them. And often killed them for such. A value that is still somewhat held in society today, even if many harboring and have internalized it aren't even aware. Thus terms like "white privilege" and "male privilege" and "heteronormative" and the like.

Godwin's law is for things like comparing PETA to Nazis. Not for the continued survival of Social Darwinist thought. Loads of people love comparing PETA to nazis. But it's an example of Godwin's Law because PETA aren't anything like nazis. And it's nothing more than a way to demonize them with a genocidally racist, sexist, homophobic figure.

And comparing fighting games to Nazism isn't an attempt to demonize them. Actually no, not them, but the 'white heteronormative male privileged' gamers that play them. No. I will not stand for reverse discrimination. When you say that every white male has it easier than everyone else on the planet, that is when you have stopped thinking altogether.

 

[godofallu]

I don't know what who Lilith is, and I don't know what a loli is.

You and others saying this, you haven't been into video games very long, have you? Also, I hope you consider yourself a "hardcore gamer" with a gaming education like that.

It's no Street Fighter or Tekken. But Darkstalkers is a pretty major fighting game franchise.

Pretty sure it's mentioned in like the first episode.

Wait what where?

How did I miss this? I don't remember seeing that. Somebody screenshot me.

Never heard of Darkstalkers either.

Has anyone? I'd be willing to bet 90% or more of the people in the world wouldn't know at least 1 of those 3 terms (Loli, Darksiders, lilith).

Lilith to me would be the Lilith from Borderlands. But I guess you can randomly claim that name belongs to some obscure fighting game alone.

 

[NikolaiK]

Hey seriously stop ignoring me.

Who exactly is ignoring you?

 

[Cowabungaa]

Not for the continued survival of Social Darwinist thought.

Really, this has nothing to do with Social Darwinism. You're really thinking it through way too much. It's simply hundreds of thousands of years of having a fixed order in gender roles not being erased from the public consciousness in a couple of decades.

Look, we're talking about a young medium that's still being predominantly aimed at teenage boys. Teenage boys like hot babes thanks to hormones and shit, and want to be the alpha male also thanks to hormones and shit. I mean for heaven's sake the games we're talking about here aren't even Western, and are filled with all kinds of weird characters.

So giving them those caricatures caters to their needs and that gets gaming companies lots of money. There's really no need to bring übermensch philosophies into this. It's just not that complicated, Occam's Razor, stuff like that.

 

[LilithSlave]

And comparing fighting games to Nazism isn't an attempt to demonize them.

No, I'm pointing out consistent social constructs in the macrocosm of Western society that has existed since the era of Nazis and the prominence of the klan and other similar Social Darwinist groups. How their thought has not been eradicated. And how the video game industry has symptoms of that way of thinking.

Video games are not remarkably like the nazis in most ways. They're not particularly anywhere close to pushing genocide on any group of people. But they do show some similar things and do they minor things to subhumanize groups from time to time. For instance, a lot of video games show signs of possibly helping to dehumanize Arab people today. Arabs being a group of people today that are heavily abused and ill thought of much like the Jewish people were then.

That is to say, video games can still be a part of something negative on a smaller scale. Something that resembles the negative things that the Nazis, the klan, and other groups believed.

I will not stand for reverse discrimination.

So you decline that male privilege and white privilege exists, even though it plainly obvious that games more than anything cater to the desire of the typical white heterosexual male. And that the desires of homosexuals, women, and non-whites are treated as fairly unimportant?

That is blind.

Lilithslave

First calling me racist a few months ago and now not even answering to me.

I didn't realize you had any posts directed at me here.

What were they?