There's some debate as whether Nintendo's games are behind the times compared to game like Skyrim, Mass Effect, GTA, etc. So in terms of gameplay, graphics, content, and story, do you think Nintendo games are outdated?
Do you consider Nintendo games "outdated"?
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Hell no, they continue to make games which are consistently fun, engaging and entertaining, and at the end of the day that's all that matters. Your gameplay can be out of date (though with the indie scene how a form becomes "out of date" is beyond me), your graphics don't matter a salts worth (unless you lie about how good it is before release) and the story can be as clichéd as you want. But what matters is weather or not you want to play it.
And at the end of the day, Nintendo is probably ahead of everyone else right now when it comes to that.
And at the end of the day, Nintendo is probably ahead of everyone else right now when it comes to that.
Nintendo games, for the most part, are still the only modern games that, capture the feeling of gaming from the 80's arcade scene (Galaga/Pac-Man era) through the NES.
No they aren't outdated, it can be argued that some of them are formulaic, but why should Nintendo try to be like Skyrim, Mass Effect and GTA?
Aren't games trying to be other games something that people on game sites regularly take issue with?
I'm playing Zelda because it's a Zelda game, not because it's GTA in Hyrule (and if they want to do that, they're smart enough to make it a spin-off rather than flipping the whole series on it's head).
Aren't games trying to be other games something that people on game sites regularly take issue with?
I'm playing Zelda because it's a Zelda game, not because it's GTA in Hyrule (and if they want to do that, they're smart enough to make it a spin-off rather than flipping the whole series on it's head).
Do I consider "Fun, Well made games" to be outdated? No, no I don't.
Is Nintendo "Behind the times"? No more so then they've always been. They've always done thing there way, and yeah sometimes they do need the fanbase to give them a kick in the right direction. But they tend to listen, more so then other big companies.
I really wish people would stop jumping on the "Nintendo Hate" bandwagon. They still make fun interesting games for fun and interesting consoles. They have peaks and valleys just like every other game dev/publisher, but at the end of they still make stuff that's fun.
Is Nintendo "Behind the times"? No more so then they've always been. They've always done thing there way, and yeah sometimes they do need the fanbase to give them a kick in the right direction. But they tend to listen, more so then other big companies.
I really wish people would stop jumping on the "Nintendo Hate" bandwagon. They still make fun interesting games for fun and interesting consoles. They have peaks and valleys just like every other game dev/publisher, but at the end of they still make stuff that's fun.
A lot of their games are timeless they almost always focus on gameplay and they tend to nail it well although when its less than stellar it shows more in their games than in a lot of others due to their not being much else to save them which is probably why I dont think to highly of Mario Kart 8 and a few of their other titles.
The graphics of Nintendo games tends not to be that amazing their art direction however is consistently decent as for story lol yeah story Nintendo no they dont usually go together, content wise their titles are a mixed bag some have loads and some not so much. But for actual gameplay I would say a lot of Nintendo titles are well ahead of games like the GTA series, Mass Effect and Skyrim.
The graphics of Nintendo games tends not to be that amazing their art direction however is consistently decent as for story lol yeah story Nintendo no they dont usually go together, content wise their titles are a mixed bag some have loads and some not so much. But for actual gameplay I would say a lot of Nintendo titles are well ahead of games like the GTA series, Mass Effect and Skyrim.
A game with a great asthetic will look better than a game selling purley on graphics pushing as time flies. Why do tou think Ökami still looks good to this day compared to how dated Halo 1 looks.Maximum Bert said:
That would mean other similar games have come along that have made Nintendo's versions completely obsolete. And there haven't. No, not even Okami.
When I think about it, very few games are really outdated. I recently played the Abe's Oddysee remake, and while a pretty terrific update, it still can't touch certain aspects of the original. The only time you can say a game is truly outdated is if you stop caring about it. So I guess it depends from person to person.
When I think about it, very few games are really outdated. I recently played the Abe's Oddysee remake, and while a pretty terrific update, it still can't touch certain aspects of the original. The only time you can say a game is truly outdated is if you stop caring about it. So I guess it depends from person to person.
Yup I agree entirely good art direction has always been much more important to me than good graphics although if it has both then thats even better. Okami is amazing one of my favourite games ever as for Halo lets just say I never found the graphics that amazing anyway back in the day everything looked like it was wallpapered on probably because it was. It was actually a major criticism of mine about a large proportion of PC games back in the day as well even and including Half life 2 but pertained especially a lot of the older shooters.TheMisterManGuy said:
To some extent, yes. It's not so much that games based purely on mechanics are somehow bad or unplayable in this day and age, it's just that gaming as a medium overall has moved beyond that. Various games have proved that you can have good, solid, well playing experiences that also have stories, themes, characters, etc. that players care about on a deeper level. Games aren't just limited to mechanical exercises these days.
So, oudated and behind the times? Sure (especially if you include Nintendo as a company and aren't just looking at their games). But bad? No.
So, oudated and behind the times? Sure (especially if you include Nintendo as a company and aren't just looking at their games). But bad? No.
No. Yeah, they may not have the technology of other games, and most of their games still lack any real voice acting, but I would hardly call them outdated.
To me, being outdated implies that their games actually feel like they were made back in the 90s, at least in a bad way. That's certainly not the case, though. They've been constantly updating and improving on their mechanics to make them feel like they actually have been coming out recently, and there are very few games that offer experiences like their's do and even fewer that actually top their games. They've also at least been trying to give us a little more story in their games, which sort of goes along with the modern-day drive to add more story to games. However, unlike some games, they actually recognize that gameplay is itself a way to tell a story and that we don't always want hours of exposition breaking up the otherwise fun game.
To me, being outdated implies that their games actually feel like they were made back in the 90s, at least in a bad way. That's certainly not the case, though. They've been constantly updating and improving on their mechanics to make them feel like they actually have been coming out recently, and there are very few games that offer experiences like their's do and even fewer that actually top their games. They've also at least been trying to give us a little more story in their games, which sort of goes along with the modern-day drive to add more story to games. However, unlike some games, they actually recognize that gameplay is itself a way to tell a story and that we don't always want hours of exposition breaking up the otherwise fun game.
I actually think Combat Evolved still looks decent. Its aesthetics remind me of some older Zelda games like Ocarina of Time, and the graphics still do their job of giving off a sense that Halo is a vibrant and living yet unnatural world. Sure, it definitely looks like an older game when compared to modern-day shooters, including its own HD remake, but I'd say it has aged more similarly to games like DOOM and Ocarina of Time. We can tell it came out a long time ago, but it still has its own appeal due to how good the aesthetic choices were at the time.TheMisterManGuy said:
Yup, they are outdated. And the sad part is, these outdated games are more fun and original than the curret stuff. Let's face it nintendo isn't doing anything new, however , are the new stuff the cool kids are raving about are all carbon copies of each other.
I guess it would depend on what people consider outdated. For me, outdated is something that no longer works and people only appreciate it because they grew up with it. In my case, I would say no. Now they stick more with what they know, but they can still make great games to play, and even their older games are still loved. Look at Majora's Mask, Mario 64, Super Metroid, and others. Looking at the excitement that people have for some of the upcoming games for their system, it seems others don't think so either. It seems to be, if you like Nintendo games, you probably won't think so. As for those who want Nintendo to move forward to add more story telling in their games, I think they are better off not doing that.
Nintendo itself is out-dated. They continue making dedicated games consoles whereas Microsoft and, Sony have opted for entertainment hubs/mini-PCs. This is part of why I love Nintendo though; they still make game-games. I'm not saying Grand Theft Auto, Mass Effect and, Skyrim aren't games but Nintendo seems to still be in it for the fun. A lot of other games seem a lot more serious in tone but Nintendo keeps things upbeat and colorful for the most part. I think this is part of why everyone wants a Majora's Mask remake now that I think about it.
In terms of graphics, story and content...I feel Nintendo lags behind.
It's sad that we got a great Punch Out game at full price on the WiiU that essentially had the same amount of content as the original NES game. The Mario Kart series is the same way.
In terms of gameplay...I feel that Nintendo is easily a generation ahead of the pack.
Nintendo consistently offers fantastic experiences that are beautifully polished. Meanwhile you have Ps4 and Xbone offering a repackaged experience with prettier visuals. Nintendo is in a league of their own. It's truly sad how much people value graphics over gameplay because the WiiU doesn't deserve to be a forgotten system by the hardcore gaming community.
Bottomline: To me Gameplay >>>>> all else. As long as Nintendo continues to dominate in that department then I can't see them as an outdated company.
It's sad that we got a great Punch Out game at full price on the WiiU that essentially had the same amount of content as the original NES game. The Mario Kart series is the same way.
In terms of gameplay...I feel that Nintendo is easily a generation ahead of the pack.
Nintendo consistently offers fantastic experiences that are beautifully polished. Meanwhile you have Ps4 and Xbone offering a repackaged experience with prettier visuals. Nintendo is in a league of their own. It's truly sad how much people value graphics over gameplay because the WiiU doesn't deserve to be a forgotten system by the hardcore gaming community.
Bottomline: To me Gameplay >>>>> all else. As long as Nintendo continues to dominate in that department then I can't see them as an outdated company.
...I still play Sonic 3 when I get bored, I am clearly the wrong person to ask.
...Yeah the answer is hell no. Games are an experience, Nintendos are a slightly different feel from what the majority imagine 'cutting edge' to be. Style is a multi faceted resource, and nintendo exercises it to the max.
They make games as Toys. Not on the same level as movies or music as some are trying to take it.
And frankly, I'd never want that part of gaming to go away, the broader the horizons the better. Nintendo better stick around.
...Yeah the answer is hell no. Games are an experience, Nintendos are a slightly different feel from what the majority imagine 'cutting edge' to be. Style is a multi faceted resource, and nintendo exercises it to the max.
They make games as Toys. Not on the same level as movies or music as some are trying to take it.
And frankly, I'd never want that part of gaming to go away, the broader the horizons the better. Nintendo better stick around.
I don't really think there is really an outdated when it comes to video games. Most great Nintendo games for the 80's still hold up pretty well today, given the whole retro crowd and all. If you look at the sales for Mario games, for instance, you can see that the games that stuck closest to form are the best sellers.
Transversely the games that strayed far away from the core tend to under perform in the market. Those games aren't bad mind you but it shows that Nintendo knows it audience fairly well. Now I'm a PC gamer so I guess my opinion on consoles might be a bit less important but its my two cents I suppose.
Transversely the games that strayed far away from the core tend to under perform in the market. Those games aren't bad mind you but it shows that Nintendo knows it audience fairly well. Now I'm a PC gamer so I guess my opinion on consoles might be a bit less important but its my two cents I suppose.
This is why when arguing about things being outdated, one should also consider the things that "not outdated" companies are doing. Yes Nintendo doesn't have a big dedicated online service for buying games or multiplayer, which is not a problem for me. However, they don't include a lot of the DRM other companies might include, and while they are getting into DLC now, it's either free, or from what I've gathered, it's DLC that people don't mind costing extra.Shoggoth2588 said:
I like Nintendo a lot, despite it's flaws. I think one of the big problems with people calling Nintendo "outdated" is that it's part of the ongoing debate among fans of each company about why the other's are worse, when in the end all of them have their good and bad.
If you consider fully functional, aesthetically pleasing, and fun outdated then yes, otherwise no.
outdated to me is when a mechanic or object becomes obsolete. so far nintendo has proven time and again that it's games can withstand the test of time. playing LoZ MM is still fun to this day. I can barely bring myself to pick up CoD or Halo once I've finished the campaign and played a bit of multiplayer. They probably have the best track record for replayability.
I think most of the people that gripe about nintendo are turned off by it's general position as a kid friendly system. in a bid to look mature people often score these games but C.S. lewis said it best -
?Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.?
I play games because they're fun to play, something nintendo pays attention to when they make their games. they don't rush them out the door. they take time and care to craft a memorable experience. I've already forgotten a good portion of Darksiders lore. I can't tell you much of my time playing GTA 1-4, but what I can remember is the sum total of hours I've spent playing red version, the story behind MM, the levels of super mario galaxy, and my time getting gold bananas in DK 64. if nintendo is outdated (and we're talking about games alone) then I pray they never catch up to a world of unfinished, muddy, grey, blood ridden (subbing substance for cheap effects), buggy, cash grabbing, dlc riddled, cookie cut, unfinished, over hyped, samey(the bad kind), lying (A:CM) games.
outdated to me is when a mechanic or object becomes obsolete. so far nintendo has proven time and again that it's games can withstand the test of time. playing LoZ MM is still fun to this day. I can barely bring myself to pick up CoD or Halo once I've finished the campaign and played a bit of multiplayer. They probably have the best track record for replayability.
I think most of the people that gripe about nintendo are turned off by it's general position as a kid friendly system. in a bid to look mature people often score these games but C.S. lewis said it best -
?Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.?
I play games because they're fun to play, something nintendo pays attention to when they make their games. they don't rush them out the door. they take time and care to craft a memorable experience. I've already forgotten a good portion of Darksiders lore. I can't tell you much of my time playing GTA 1-4, but what I can remember is the sum total of hours I've spent playing red version, the story behind MM, the levels of super mario galaxy, and my time getting gold bananas in DK 64. if nintendo is outdated (and we're talking about games alone) then I pray they never catch up to a world of unfinished, muddy, grey, blood ridden (subbing substance for cheap effects), buggy, cash grabbing, dlc riddled, cookie cut, unfinished, over hyped, samey(the bad kind), lying (A:CM) games.