Do you dislike Microsoft?

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Waaghpowa

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I'm ok with windows, but not so much the Xbox's. I've had far too many failed consoles for me to care anymore, a large library means shit all if it breaks. Also the fact that I need an Xbox live subscription to watch my Netflix subscription is rather stupid.

Note: If I could switch to Ubuntu to run my games, I would in a heart beat.
 

Korolev

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They ARE a giant money-making conglomerate. All companies are (or wish to be). Sony is, Nintendo is, Microsoft is no different. They're in it to make money. You think Bill Gates started Microsoft up out of the goodness of his own heart and to make kiddies smile? He did it to amass a fortune, and he did.

As for the products that Microsoft release - they work. Windows works. Is it the safest system? Surely not. Is it the most affordable? Given that we can download a number of Linux OSs, again, no. Does it have the most features, and is it the most efficient OS? No. But it works reasonably well.

The Xbox 360 is a fine machine. It's different from the PS3, but there's nothing really wrong with it. Personally, I like the 360 controller better than the PS3 controller, since the PS3's shoulder buttons are all squishy and I don't like how they feel. But the PS3 has Blu-Ray and runs quieter.

Microsoft Office, and the rest of its software are all okay. As a company, they do make innovations and they are deeply involved in network development.

As for their BUSINESS practices, on the other hand, Microsoft have been somewhat unethical. Hey, all companies do unethical stuff, but Microsoft is no exception. Numerous courts have found that they have breached anti-competition laws. In the past, they used their wealth and power to crush competitors - much like how Wal-Mart can destroy a small grocery store, Microsoft could absolutely destroy a smaller company, and they frequently did.

Then again, I wouldn't say Bill Gates was "evil". Anti-competitive, sure, but all Business folks are. Sony have driven out their fair share of competitors and they too release inefficient products. In Japan, there's an Urban Legend of the "Sony Timer", supposedly built into every Sony product to make it malfunction when the next line of products comes out (the rumour was started because Sony products are, by Japanese standards, prone to failure and malfunction).

I don't love Microsoft. How could I? It's a giant company that's in the software business. I simply don't understand why so many people want to defend Microsoft of Sony or Nintendo or Apple or any other software/hardware company.

Let me ask you this: Do you "Love" or "Hate" Bosch, the washing-machine manufacturer? Do you get into passionate arguments over which is better: A Westinghouse fridge or a LG Fridge? Do you spark massive flame wars over what type of fax machine you buy? No? Then why do so over a video game console?

Your video game console is a consumer electronics item. It's a lump of moulded plastic with some circuits and a hard-drive in it. You are not your PS3, or your Xbox. Which console you buy means utterly NOTHING. To ANYONE. You can't infer someone's personality or intelligence based on which console they buy - but you CAN infer something about someone's mental state if they take to "teh internets" to defend a giant corporation that doesn't give one fig about you. You know it's true - neither Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo or Apple or HP or Honeywell or GE or LG or Dell or Lenovo care about you. They don't. Have you spent anytime around a business person? I have - I've met business people, and for all their corporate propaganda about "caring for the customer", the truth is they don't. They don't even see you as people - they see their customers as a bunch of numbers and walking wallets. That's the cold hard truth.

Why you would want to pretend they are your friend is beyond me. I don't hate Microsoft, but neither can I like Microsoft. It's as if I said "Do you hate clouds? Do you hate the Sun? Do you hate Rubidium?" How can I hate those things, or like them very much for that matter?
 

Smerf

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xp was good, but vista shot any chance of microsoft every holding a fond place in my heart out of the water. i use ubuntu and the only real problem with it is that glorious steam doesn't work that well. which should be one of the seven deadly sins
 

Korolev

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Just to re-iterate: Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are all controlled by their various boards and CEO's, most of whom are old, humourless men who would, if they could get away with it, sell their own children's organs for cash. The vast bulk of the management of these companies don't play games - they don't have the time nor the inclination. They don't "identify" with the "gamer" generation - that's why they hire hipster 20-somethings to front their PR.

And please, please, please learn this lesson: They don't care about you. No company does. They don't like you either. They like the disposable income in your pocket, but they don't like you. No company actually cares about its customers - no company can afford to! They wouldn't be responsible, successful businesses if they DID genuinely care about you!

You want to know how Business people see you? They see you as a demographic. As a slice of a pie-chart. As a statistic. The only thing they care about is if you buy their product.

WHY. WOULD. YOU. SPEND. A. SECOND. DEFENDING. THESE. PEOPLE? They don't need defending! They're rich! Successful! And they don't (and shouldn't, in fact) care about you! Your console isn't an emotional link to the Sony or Microsoft CEO! It's a product, like a Toaster, or an Alarm Clock or a digital Camera! It's a piece of hardware! And the companies that make it are just companies! Do you defend the Honour of the "Campbell Soup Company" over "Heinz"? No? Then please, please, PLEASE explain to me why so many people get all angry and hurt arguing over Software Companies or Electronic Goods Manufacturers!

I see Sony and Microsoft in the same light as I see the people who make Spam (the meat product) or Nike Shoes - they're just companies. If they make a good product at a reasonable price, good, I'll buy it. But they're not my friend, not by any means. If they make a bad product that's too expensive, then I won't buy it, but I won't think that they are demons from beyond the veil.

They're just companies. Soulless, money-making companies that want your cash. That's the proper way to see them - dispassionately, and with a cold heart. Love and Hate should be reserved for people, not companies.
 

Charli

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I have no reason to hate them, Apple Committed the sin of being an inoperable piece of poo crap in the 90's and Window's had Vista. They have both sinned and are on equal grounds with me and I will use what shit I feel like from either.
 

FalloutJack

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We at home here affectionately call them the Evil Empire. That said, there's much more than one of those out there, but the point is that we're affectionate about this.

Microsoft is a super-giant cerial bowl full of money. Bill Gates has more money than Scrooge McDuck, even. However, they deliver a useful product, so some of that money is earned. I'm not gonna say all of it, since my geeky older brother could go on for hours on what in technology Microsoft has done WRONG (and he'd be preaching to the choir, I'm sure). There are elements of Microsoft I don't like, products that I won't be using for either commitment of money elsewhere or just a general dislike of something they're responsible for.

To understand my position of the X-Box, I am a PS3 owner and I'm fine with my decision there. I will not buy this other system and commit even more cashola to it, though I acknowledge that there are some good games in there I wanna try. For the record, I recently tried to win an X-Box at a convention. If given an X-Box this way, I would've accepted it and found some games to put on it, largely due to the fact that I didn't have to commit so much cash to it. But otherwise...nah.

It's just things ABOUT Microsoft, like if they ran better or didn't have certain things in it that had no point.
 

sheic99

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MercurySteam said:
The obvious things that Microsoft use the money for its server maintenance (and yes, security updates can be paid for too) plus the addition of Netflix and other media streaming stuff that very few people use (still, it's there). One thing may of us LIVE users noticed with the new dashboard update (apart from it looking a bit stupid) was that downloads were fiercely faster, perhaps to keep up to speed with N protocol wireless or just to improve the experience for all of us. My point is that in the long term, it makes LIVE a better experience for us which I am more than happy to pay around $80AU every 12 months
Go Microsoft, charging people to use services that uses another companies bandwidth.
 

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sheic99 said:
MercurySteam said:
The obvious things that Microsoft use the money for its server maintenance (and yes, security updates can be paid for too) plus the addition of Netflix and other media streaming stuff that very few people use (still, it's there). One thing may of us LIVE users noticed with the new dashboard update (apart from it looking a bit stupid) was that downloads were fiercely faster, perhaps to keep up to speed with N protocol wireless or just to improve the experience for all of us. My point is that in the long term, it makes LIVE a better experience for us which I am more than happy to pay around $80AU every 12 months
Go Microsoft, charging people to use services that uses another companies bandwidth.
Then by that logic, you should be able to complain about every company that that charges money to use services that eat their bandwidth. Like downloading games from Steam. Still the same concept.
 

RicoADF

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MolotoK said:
king_katchit said:
Kinect? Always seemed a big risk for me, and some good stuff is coming from the tech.
The thing is, that Microsoft would have never ever done Kinect, if Nintendo hadn't started the whole motion control thing.
The thing is the Kinect is a copy of the eye toy from the PS2, and also on PS3, so there was no innovation there other than marketing lies about it being new :p
 

Smooth Operator

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Hate them as any big corporation, they are a corporate behemoth and will stomp on anyone who doesn't have the money to go against them(very few do).

Their engineers do good work but the image of that is overshadowed by the money/power hunger, just like with any big corporation.
 

icyneesan

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They make more money then me and their OS is shitty, but its less shitty then all the other OSs. So yes I obviously hate them! Damn them for being better then me!
 

devotedsniper

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Nope i'm gonna have to say i love Microsoft....i get everything free from them except Office, gotta love msdn academy alliance, they save me so much on OS's (xp, vista, 7, the server editions, etc.) and all my programming software which i need (visual studio 05, 08, 10, thats including multiple version of the same ones), 100% discount rules! :p. Even though i had 2 360's fail i never had a problem (1 was straight swapped, the other repaired), i'd much rather be with Microsoft then Apple anyway.
 

sheic99

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MercurySteam said:
sheic99 said:
MercurySteam said:
The obvious things that Microsoft use the money for its server maintenance (and yes, security updates can be paid for too) plus the addition of Netflix and other media streaming stuff that very few people use (still, it's there). One thing may of us LIVE users noticed with the new dashboard update (apart from it looking a bit stupid) was that downloads were fiercely faster, perhaps to keep up to speed with N protocol wireless or just to improve the experience for all of us. My point is that in the long term, it makes LIVE a better experience for us which I am more than happy to pay around $80AU every 12 months
Go Microsoft, charging people to use services that uses another companies bandwidth.
Then by that logic, you should be able to complain about every company that that charges money to use services that eat their bandwidth. Like downloading games from Steam. Still the same concept.
No it isn't. When I buy and subsequently download a game from Steam I'm using Steam's bandwidth to do so. For it to be the same thing, I would have to pay Microsoft $60 per year to download from Steam. The only things that cost Microsoft money on Xbox live, are servers in first party games, e.g. Halo, Gears, and the store.
 

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I own a Windows PC (no consoles). I'm also a software developer (recently turned web developer). I like to think of myself as reasonably objective when it comes to MS software.

Windows is fine. Microsoft seem to have no problem stealing other people's good ideas, and that's great for me as a consumer because they tend to only take the best ones. Home versions of Windows have gotten progressively better over the years, evolving from the steaming pile of horse manure that was Windows 95/98 into the really quite usable, stable, and secure Windows 7. I'm very happy with Windows 7.

Speaking as a web developer, I can't see what the big problem is with IE. At least not with IE9. I see a lot of this sort of thing on the web:
"Feature X is supported by all the major browsers except IE, therefore IE is crap."
Fair enough, but then I also see this:
"Feature X is only supported by IE, therefore IE is crap."
Umm, come again?
Personally I find that some things work better in IE and other things don't. Overall, Google Chrome is my favourite browser (speaking both as a developer and as a user) but IE9 comes second, and Firefox is waaaaay down the list.

MS Office has been variable over the years, but never great. It amazes me how MS Word manages to turn the simplest task (writing a letter) into an exercise in smashing one's head against the keyboard. Excel, on the other hand, is excellent. You can (and many small businesses do) use Excel sheets for all kinds of things that would normally require a bespoke development, which I think says a lot for Excel. It's powerful, versatile, and reliable. And these days it's pretty quick too.

In summary, I think Microsoft do pretty decent work. And I should hope so, because if they really are rubbish then their dominance is proof that a free market economy isn't so great as most Americans seem to think.
 

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gabe12301 said:
Vibhor said:
gabe12301 said:
MolotoK said:
king_katchit said:
Kinect? Always seemed a big risk for me, and some good stuff is coming from the tech.
The thing is, that Microsoft would have never ever done Kinect, if Nintendo hadn't started the whole motion control thing.
Kinect was being called project natal before the wii was announced.
Project natal was announced in 2009 whereas Wii has been available on retail since 2006
Get your facts right.
I edited my post earlier.
Earlier but later than my post.
Even though your post still doesn't makes sense.
 

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Well, I don't hate Microsoft. I just dislike the Xbox for personal reasons. Now, I'm not very internet savvy so if anything, I would say I hate IE with a burning passion but, hey, I don't even know if this falls directly into the Microsoft category.

But I will try to list why I don't like the Xbox and, again, these are personal reasons. They're not meant to be overwhelmingly convincing reasons or meant to start a riot:

-Paying for online gaming. Say whatever you want about PSN and the hackers, you can still play for free. That is, assuming the servers go back up one of these days. No, I'm not that worried about my personal info being compromised; I got that part under control. I'm just waiting for Sony to fix his boo boo.
-Exclusive games. Xbox has a couple of exclusive games I'd like to play at least once: Left 4 Dead, Fable, Gears of War and Halo. Other than that, I can't think of any other good or interesting games. Sorry but I'm not buying a Xbox just for a handful of 'good' games. heck, I think the Wii has better exclusive games to offer.
-The controller. I don't know, it just feels weird. And I guess the controllers/button configuration/arrangement also feels iffy to me.
-Overwhelming user interface. Again, I don't know if its just me not being used to it but I've seen my games play with their Xbox. They go through so many screens, buttons, commands, button smashing and whatnot just to play a couple of songs or a game...sorry, my attention span is not that good.
-Too much green everywhere! We get it, Xbox! Green is your thing!
-That perfect circle you get on the disk if you move the Xbox 1 inch in any direction.
-Kinect. I don't know; if I'm gonna make a fool of myself, I would prefer to be holding a controller of some kind to have an alibi in case someone walks in and sees me.

Again, personal reasons.
 

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inb4 mods hit certain posts in this thread.

OT: Microsoft is a good company. Not the best company, but a good company, and where would we be without them?