Do you find incest wrong?

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Yes, it is wrong.

Ever so wrong.

And why do these incest threads keep coming back?
Is this the new ''in'' thing?

Can we go back to zombie situations please.

Or even JRPGs and Halo/CoD threads at least those are video game related.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

So long as it does not create a child (gotta keep up that genetic diversity after all) i don't particularly mind.

And what about astigmatism? If you say that relatives making a child are destroying the genetic diversity, you could also say that people wearing glasses shouldn´t procreate either. Because this reinforces astigmatism in the gene pool.
Both statements are true, but going in this direction is not desirable, since this is a big step in the direction of how the nazis used to argue.

The fuck. Really? Are you serious?

Genetic diversity, the level of biodiversity, refers to the total number of genetic characteristics in the genetic makeup of a species. It is distinguished from genetic variability, which describes the tendency of genetic characteristics to vary.

So how does one group of people with a certain genetic trait breeding not INCREASE Genetic diversity? As this is what normally happens. With incest if a child is formed they are formed from more or less the exact same gene pool so there are little to no new genes added that is a big difference. This is nothing like Hitler.

Yes, it's wrong and I'm not going further into the topic. Sometimes I wonder the kind of people who actually visit this site, and I shudder.

I presume you're also against homosexuality, then.

How does one person being against incest have anything to do with homosexuality? Are you the left wing variant of Fox news or something?

 

[Boba Frag]

Yeah, cos the people who engage in that are such balanced and well rounded individuals....
(Oh, the sarcasm!)
Fictional case in point: Cersei and Jaime Lannister. Collossal paranoid ***** meets unhinged, vain psychotic.

There have been numerous cases where it's very much horrible abuse by an older relative- nothing consensual whatsoever.
Christ, have we all forgotten Josef Fritzel??

 

[Iggy Rufflebar]

a lot of my mates are islamic and I was horrified to find out the other day that it's fairly common practice, one of them has actually flown back to his home country to marry his cousin

 

[Zeitgeist1983]

So long as it does not create a child (gotta keep up that genetic diversity after all) i don't particularly mind.

And what about astigmatism? If you say that relatives making a child are destroying the genetic diversity, you could also say that people wearing glasses shouldn´t procreate either. Because this reinforces astigmatism in the gene pool.
Both statements are true, but going in this direction is not desirable, since this is a big step in the direction of how the nazis used to argue.

I disagree with it, so let's compare it to the Nazis!

Are you freaking serious? Forbidding incest is a big step towards this:

Spoiler: Disturbing Imagery

Really?

That´s not what i wrote. I just said that controlling who can reproduce and who can not to keep the gene pool clean is stuff the nazis were also up to (Just google racial hygiene). And that someones sex life is his or hers concern alone, as long as it´s consensual with the persons involved.

 

[Hagi]

That´s not what i wrote. I just said that controlling who can reproduce and who can not to keep the gene pool clean is stuff the nazis were also up to (Just google racial hygiene). And that someones sex life is his or hers concern alone, as long as it´s consensual with the persons involved.

We gamers are up to many, many things school shooters are also up to.

A lot of us have long hair, just like famous school shooters.
A lot of us listen to metal, just like famous school shooters.
A lot of us play shooters, just like famous school shooters.
A lot of us are loners, just like famous school shooters.
etc. etc. etc.

What matters is that we gamers aren't up to the one thing school shooters are best known for, shooting up schools. So don't compare us to school shooters.

What matters is that forbidding incest isn't up to the one thing Nazis are best known for, death camps. So don't compare it to Nazis.

 

[Vivi22]

I see it less about the parents coping with caring for the child and more for raising a child in a world where it will always be pitied and even looked down from at birth. Maybe it's just me, but when I hear about parents who say their condition is hell then choose to inflict it on a child it bugs me. If I had something wrong with me, last thing I'd want to do is pass it on to my loved ones. If parents want a child so badly, adopt a child who was throw away due to circumstance and neglect and give people already here and in terrible circumstances a fighting chance.

Again, this is all my view and I in no way think it is the one true way, but the problem I see with many parents - disabled or otherwise - is that they treat their child like a pet baby and not a person with a whole life ahead of them.

I certainly agree with you in the sense that parents who know they carry a genetic illness (keep in mind though the being a carrier does not mean they necessarily have it, nor are all genetic illnesses something that is painful or all that difficult to live with. Some can be as simple as hereditary deafness or blindness) shouldn't be simply having a child on a whim, but that doesn't mean it's irresponsible to have a child. Similar things can happen to the children of any parents, regardless of relations. It's only an issue in the case of incest if both parents carry something that could be passed on. They just as easily might not. But really, this is just making the argument that couples engaging in incest should get genetic testing done so they're fully aware of the risks before having a child. Something which probably isn't a bad idea for most people who have the opportunity to do it.

Lets say that a brother ans sister have a child, and whoops his jaw has a massive overbite and he has a lazy eye. Even if those parents care for that child like he was a prince, that child will still have a hard life. Especially while young. Children will tease even the slightest deviation from societies norms until the child cries. Think about how bad that child wil be discriminated aginst if he has a huge overbite and no-one is quite sure where hes looking.

This can, and does, happen with children all of the time, regardless of whether their parents passed on some genetic ailment. And there's no guarantee that two people who are closely related will even have a child with some sort of physical or mental disability. Sorry, but I'm not buying it as an argument for incest being wrong. You act as though kids who don't look like some perceived ideal of beauty are the sole domain of incestuous relationships.

This is the only board in all the world that I have seen people defend bestiality , incest and pedophilia seriously and earnestly. Sometimes I wonder about you guys.

If it makes you feel any better, there is no rational argument I know of that makes either bestiality or pedophilia ok. But there's also no rational argument I know of for incest between consenting adults not being ok. The best anyone seems able to do is that a potential child may get teased if they look funny or have some sort of disability, but if that makes it wrong then we better stop the ugly people of the world from having kids too.

 

[Hagi]

I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say/ask. All I see is, "I do not understand this, so instead of asking you to explain yourself, I'm going to throw an insult your way in a compensatory fashion! Look, I'm even referencing politics! So smart!"

It's simple. Homosexuality and incest share the same core principles, as I elucidated earlier.

When I get into this debate, asking people whether they support homosexuality is a good indicator. 9 times out of 10, someone who claims to be against incest supports homosexuality.

Me: So, you believe love is love, no matter the form?
Other: Yes, generally I do.
Me: And you believe that two, consenting, autonomous adults should have the freedom to do what they please?
Other: Yes.
Me: Well, in the absence of children, couldn't the same ideas be applied to incest? So what makes incest so wrong, then?

I don't think I can make it simpler than that.

Homosexuality concerns an entire gender, there's no alternative for them. Most cases of homosexuality do not end up in abuse and harm. Most homosexuals don't have existing relationships unsuitable for romantic ones.

Incest concerns only those in your family, there's thousands of alternative men or women for you. Most cases of incest do end up in abuse and harm. Most incestuous couples do have existing family relations that are unsuitable for romantic ones due to clear peer positions and inequality between the partners.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Yes, it's wrong and I'm not going further into the topic. Sometimes I wonder the kind of people who actually visit this site, and I shudder.

I presume you're also against homosexuality, then.

How does one person being against incest have anything to do with homosexuality? Are you the left wing variant of Fox news or something?

I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say/ask. All I see is, "I do not understand this, so instead of asking you to explain yourself, I'm going to throw an insult your way in a compensatory fashion! Look, I'm even referencing politics! So smart!"

It's simple. Homosexuality and incest share the same core principles, as I elucidated earlier.

When I get into this debate, asking people whether they support homosexuality is a good indicator. 9 times out of 10, someone who claims to be against incest supports homosexuality.

Me: So, you believe love is love, no matter the form?
Other: Yes, generally I do.
Me: And you believe that two, consenting, autonomous adults should have the freedom to do what they please?
Other: Yes.
Me: Well, in the absence of children, couldn't the same ideas be applied to incest? So what makes incest so wrong, then?

I don't think I can make it simpler than that.

Wow look at me I can break someone's post down into a strawman argument to make them look like a twat. Random baseless fact random dialogue barely elaborating my point at all. Call other guy a simpleton.

Now as much as I hate what I have just done see how ridiculous it sounds? At least make a decent argument without the little shit tacked on at the start.

So you are saying if two people "love" each other anything is fair game. Right? Yes people do have the freedom to do as they please but they must also live with the consequences of their actions and something people forget about sex is that when you have sex with someone you are accepting the responsibility and the chance that you will be a parent.

So given that idea of sex yes incest is still wrong as you are accepting the fact that it still might create a genetically defective child and then to take an easy out like abortion. Abortion should not be a go to thing so easily and a last resort as it has many complications.

So yes that is why I find being against incest and support homosexuality is unrelated as no matter how safe you are there is always a chance it won't work.

 

[Sansha]

As someone who's slept with his cousin several times, I'd have to say that as love and/or fucking for giggles, I'm fine with that. I really don't see anything wrong with it. We weren't 'in love' or anything, we just used to screw for fun. It's been a lot of years since, and we haven't spoken of it since.

But for breeding, definitely not, if only because the children that come out of incestuous relationships can be mentally and/or physically retarded, which just causes problems for everyone.

 

[NerdElf]

I find the idea revolting, and sickening.

 

[AngloDoom]

I dunno, never tried.

A related question, though, do you find the idea of sisters (preferably twins) having sex to be less wrong than other forms of incest? Alot of people seem to for some reason.

I imagine it's the same people who want 'lesbian girlfriends' because, y'know, they'd never cheat on them and they'd be up for a threesome.

*raises hand*

I have a lesbian girlfriend

AND ITS FREAKING AWESOME.
[sub](for many reasons other than just because she is a lesbian, but still)[/sub]

She's never cheated on me (though that's got more to do with her being a good person than with with her sexual orientation) and she totally is up for threesomes. I swear, I'm going to marry this woman.

You where saying?

I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're getting at here. Forgive me, I might just be groggy and slow, but I'm pretty lost.

Lesbian girlfriend? Being male? lolwut?

My sarcometre is going off but I don't know what for...

EDIT - Woah, crazy double-quote. Sorted that out.

 

[Davih]

I personally find the idea revolting, but who am i to judge?

 

[Arluza]

What two consenting adults do is not my problem.