Do you find the Confederate Flag offensive?
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Yes i find it offensive.
The Confederates were traitors to the country and IMHO should be treated and remembered as such. On top of all of that the war was about slavery, the Confederacy existed only because of the south's attitudes about slavery, and saying otherwise is a gross misreading of history. Actually, that is the biggest problem i have with it. Every country has things in their past that they are not (or shouldn't be proud of) but you can't just re-imagine the parts you don't like to make them sound cool or something and this goes right back to the Myth of the Lost Cause.
Is the flag itself offensive? no. its just some cloth with colors and stars and stuff on it.
Is historical ignorance offensive? big time.
The Confederates were traitors to the country and IMHO should be treated and remembered as such. On top of all of that the war was about slavery, the Confederacy existed only because of the south's attitudes about slavery, and saying otherwise is a gross misreading of history. Actually, that is the biggest problem i have with it. Every country has things in their past that they are not (or shouldn't be proud of) but you can't just re-imagine the parts you don't like to make them sound cool or something and this goes right back to the Myth of the Lost Cause.
Is the flag itself offensive? no. its just some cloth with colors and stars and stuff on it.
Is historical ignorance offensive? big time.
So that makes it right then. Im not saying slavery is right but your looking at a flag that hasd other meaning say boom slavery
I find it offensive, not so much on a slavery front, but because those jerks tried to split the country in half. It was an absolute slaughter because the Confederacy got their panties in a bunch over the idea that they weren't the center of the universe. Then when the Union had to annihilate and burn the South to the ground, they still refused to fully accept defeat. To this day, they wave that shit around like it counts for something. It doesn't. Old movies and TV shows glamorize the South like it was some lost paradise. It wasn't. Tons of aspects of the development of the American government up to that point in history were done to appease the South and bend over backwards to keep them from seceding. And then they seceded anyways.
I don't find it offensive per say, not everyone who flies it is a racist. I just can't really understand why anyone would want to fly it. It's a symbol of the "South", perhaps, but is that really want you want to be remembered for? Being on the pro-slavery side of the Civil War? Not everyone looks at that flag the same way. To most, it's a symbol of hate.
Hate is not something to take pride in. I feel like the whole "Southern Pride" thing is a weak attempt at justifying using a flag that has no real good connotations to it.
Fly your state flag if you love the South. Take pride in that.
Hate is not something to take pride in. I feel like the whole "Southern Pride" thing is a weak attempt at justifying using a flag that has no real good connotations to it.
Fly your state flag if you love the South. Take pride in that.
I think of it as a symbol of anger, defiance, and disharmony. Almost like anarchism, in a way. I see the people who fly the confederate flag as people who do not like the country united as it is, and would rather see it split apart because of stuff that happened 150 years ago.
Sort of like those old people who get all bent out of shape every time a new business buys out an old one in town. They can't be happy or welcoming about anything, and want the whole world to know about it.
Maybe a bit of racism in there, too. But I try to separate the racists from the "southern pride" people though, as I'm related to a few non-racist southern pride folks.
Sort of like those old people who get all bent out of shape every time a new business buys out an old one in town. They can't be happy or welcoming about anything, and want the whole world to know about it.
Maybe a bit of racism in there, too. But I try to separate the racists from the "southern pride" people though, as I'm related to a few non-racist southern pride folks.
Yes. It symbolizes a time when our region (The South, I'm a Floridian) engaged in one of the most barbaric human rights abuses in modern history and fought a war with their own countrymen in order to perpetuate said abuses. All the nonsense about state's rights is just retarded historical revisionism, the only right the Confederacy was fighting for was the right to buy and sell people as property which isn't a right at all.
If the South was so concerned about State's rights they wouldn't have enacted the Fugitive Slave Act which tramples all over the State rights of the Northern States.
If the South was so concerned about State's rights they wouldn't have enacted the Fugitive Slave Act which tramples all over the State rights of the Northern States.
I think it's been long enough for the confederate flag to not be offensive. Slavery has been a long part of human history. You might as well ask if anything Roman is offensive because of slavery.
If anybody has the right to be upset about slavery. It's people who are slaves today.
If anybody has the right to be upset about slavery. It's people who are slaves today.
You know that that Bill Engvall bit about "Here's your sign". Whenever I see the Confederate flag on some douchebag's truck, I consider that their sign.
Interestingly enough, Lincoln was also of the mindset of fixing the issue by simply deporting all the blacks back to Africa, or where ever else the European slavers got them from.Blindrooster said:
Just so long as you don't call it the "Great War of Northern Aggression" and say slavery wasn't one of, if not the most important factor. As long as you don't cherry pick your history and ignore the rest, I don't mind.
Not by it's self no, the Confederacy took part in an important era of American history, and while it was pretty ugly, I think that just finding the idea of it offencive is kinda silly to say the least. It's the attitudes that tend to accompany Confederate flags that I find offencive.
