Do you hate Oblivion but love Skyrim?

[Hisshiss]

I hate oblivion and like skyrim, love is a strong word. Does that count?

For the record, If I had bought/had the computer to play the PC version, and as such could have potentially given myself infinite perk points, I would LOVE skyrim. Literally my only huge complaint about this game these days is that they just do not give you nearly enough perk points to enjoy the game the way I want to.


Damn my xbox and its lack of mods and console commands -.-..

 

[MHR]

It's really relatively simple.

I liked Oblivion decently enough, It was like Fallout 3 fantasy style and I loved that because I found this gameplay style when I played Fallout 3 which I could describe as discovering the existence of another color. It simply clicked with me and many others.

The thing is the game type in my opinion was still pretty raw when Oblivion came out. Skyrim improves on almost all aspects of Oblivion, most notably the combat, world (depth, not size,) character advancement, Graphics, gimmicks (It's dragons > Oblivion gates,) NPCs and overall polish.

Skyrim is just a better game and there's little room for argument to the contrary. Of course like I said, I did like oblivion so it probably disqualifies me from being relevant to the thread.

 

[implodinggoat]

I thought Oblivion was alright. It was impressive for a launch title; but doesn't stand up very well today mainly because the environments are so repetitive and the combat is so bland.

Skyrim is awesome. The combat still isn't great; but its satisfying enough to keep you playing. But; the main selling point for Skyrim is exploring the amazingly detailed environment. Where Oblivion's dungeons were cookie cutter, Skyrim's dungeons all have something unique about them be it as simple as a bear's cave or as spectacular as a subterranean forest with waterfalls streaming down from the cavern's ceiling.

 

[implodinggoat]

I don't see how any of what you said "sets a new standard" for RPGs. That's total BS. I doubt you've played any decent RPGs based off that statement and want you to prove me wrong. I'm not saying Skyrim isn't impressive, I just don't think it does anything very well, it just has a LOT of things that it does and is immersive because of it. Great atmosphere, music, level design etc. but nothing original or benchmark worthy.

There's no need to be so combative.

Although I do generally agree with you. Skyrim doesn't really do anything groundbreaking it just does everything well enough that it sucks you in. With one exception..

The environments are truly amazing. The uniqueness of every little area you explore is something I've never experienced in an open world RPG. Now this improvement to the environment isn't really groundbreaking just evolutionary in the same way that Fallout 3's environment was more detailed and memorable than Oblivion's.

So Caramel Frappe isn't entirely off when he says that the game "sets a new standard" when it comes to the environments because I've certainly never played a game with a world as vast and detailed as Skyrim's.

 

[Gokuofuin]

Alright here is my 5c, I loved Oblivion and I cant stand Skyrim.

Now before the Skyrim-fanboys call me out on this view let me tell you why.
Skyrim was supposed to be better than Oblivion, yes I admit the graphics are better, yes I admit the combat is better. Here is my grudge, Skyrim has NO story, no objective, no immersion.
Those of you who think that Oblivion is worse, think back to how nicely Oblivion's Story meshed with the world and how the MAIN objective was the story not some BILLIONS of side missions.

I accept that side missions are a part of game-play but you don't run the whole game off of it.
Another dislike is that all the EPIC quests you spend all your time doing and making sure you complete all of the requirements so that you can be regarded with a awesome "something" turn out to be shit, not normal or adequate just shit, shit weapons shit armor. Now you warriors are probably shaking your heads right about now, well let me tell you I played as a mage and no armor I got off of a quest beat the armor I was able to make.

In answer to the next slew of comments yes I did complete EVERYTHING.

That is why Skyrim let me down and get a 3/10 rating.

 

[Kevimaster]

Loved them both

EDIT: I also agree with the above poster though, the rewards in Skyrim felt very meh for the main quest. I completed the College of Winterhold Quests (was a mage), and I don't think I changed my item set for the rest of the game. That gave me everything I could ever want as a mage, which makes sense from the standpoint that it IS the mage's guild, but still. I wish there had been something in the main quest that could even slightly entice me to take off morokei or the archmages robes or anything like that.

 

[endtherapture]

After 45 hours in heavily modded Oblivion, I felt like I'd seen all I had to see.

I finished the incredibly dull main storyline. I'd done enough forts and Ayelid ruins to have seen them all. The fighter's guild quests are dull and I don't see any end to them so far. At least Mage's Guild has an objective. Dark Brotherhood quests are cool though. I'd visited all the towns in the game and they were all the same. I don't even have any motivation to do the Shivering Isles.

And I was bloody sick of every other male NPC having Jaufre's voice. The interface felt like it was from a late 90's RPG too, even with mods.

I'm 50 hours in in Skyrim. Haven't finished main storyline, haven't touched the Dark Brotherhood or Thieves Guild, haven't finished the main storyline, haven't even touched half the map and two of the holds!! The NPCs are better, the story is more gripping, the Dungeons and caves are better designed, having someone follow you isn't completely pointless, levelling is fixed (less chance to level yourself into a hole), Daedric Quests are funner, just seems better all along.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

I hated a lot about Oblivion, including elements of the setting and combat, all of which have been mended (though in the case of combat not fixed) in Skyrim. My biggest gripe however, and the deal breakers for me about Oblivion that Skyrim fixes straight off are the AWFUL pie-chart conversation system which made investing in speech something only a sadomasochist would do while also ruining all possible role-playing, also they cure the creepy stare of death that has been haunting that engine since Oblivion adding in a more lively feeling to the world, they also fixed the leveling system in that you no longer need to sleep, enemies don't level with you everywhere, and I really like the addition of perks every level.

So, the big one for me is still the script which has been improved and was what drove me screaming from Oblivion when I tried absurdly hard to get into it when it came out, for you see now I realize that I'm an Elder Scrolls fan with Skyrim (though I had my suspicions giving my Fallout love, but that was around before Bethesda so I couldn't be sure).

 

[chaosyoshimage]

Skyrim fixed so much of what I hated about Skyrim and what it didn't fix, it at the very least improved it. So yes, I'm in the "hate Oblivion, love Skyrim" group.

 

[Jandau]

I like Skyrim, but I found Oblivion to be a steaming pile of poop.

Skyrim visuals (design, not technical quality) > Oblivion visuals
Skyrim plot & writing > Oblivion plot & writing
Skyrim's leveling system > Oblivion's leveling system
Skyrim's combat > Oblivion's combat
Skyrim's atmosphere > Oblivion's atmosphere

And so on, and so forth. Skyrim surpasses Oblivion in almost every concievable category by which games can be judged, even accounting for the fact that Oblivion is older. Skyrim is a good game, while Oblivion is a bad game that just happened to be at the right place at the right time and was subsequently made legendary by the modding community...

 

[CATB320]

Yes! I tried to play Oblivion, but I think what really frustrated me was that I couldn't survive closing the Oblivion gate in Kvatch and I really did want to follow the main quests. I did a lot of exploring and side quests to level up, but I never found myself very immersed at all.

 

[SpaceBat]

I absolutely hated Oblivion. Horrible story, horrible characters, empty world, shitty sidequests, incredibly buggy, shitty main quests, mediocre gameplay, awful atmosphere and so on. Aside from it having a huge world, I can't think of a single thing I could praise it with.

Skyrim is fairly decent however. It still suffers from all of the problems Oblivion had, but to a lesser degree. They're both incredibly flawed games, but Skyrim is actually playable.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

I didn't hate Oblivion, I just thought it was just a big, steaming puddle of generic meh. Reasons for not liking it include:

Lockpicking minigame for allowing a character with a lockpick skill of 10 to pick the hardest lock in the game.

Speech minigame for turning persuasion into a gimme, eliminating the need for developing the speech skill.

The AI for eliminating stealth - bit of a weird one but try this: create a spell that has two effects, invisibility on self and say fire damage on target. Casting this spell will keep the player invisible at all times yet monsters will always run to the very spot you are and stand there, because the AI subroutines immediately allow creatures to know the exact location they took damage from. This eliminated stealth as a viable way to play the game.

The stripping away of a large number of skills from Morrowind. To some people this is a minor thing, but the loss of skills such as Unarmoured made character builds like the Monk all but useless.

The lack of additional lore in Oblivion. The Elder Scrolls games have always had a rich base of lore, and what many players new to the series don't realise is that pretty much half of the books in Oblivion were copy-pasted from previous Elder Scrolls games.

The replacing of the unique creatures of Tamriel with the same old Minotaurs, Ogres, and wolves that appear in every single hack-and-slash since the dawn of time ever.

The removal of faction competition. It was possible to have one character elevated to the head of every guild and organisation in Cyrodiil, meaning that characters no longer had to weigh the consequences of their allegiances and actions.

The endlessly copy-pasted Oblivion Gate levels which made completing the main quest one long, boring grind.

The horribly limited voice-acting pool which when combined with the 1000 yard uncanny valley stare made NPC interaction distinctly unnerving.

Y'know what, I could pretty much go on all day here, so let's just take it as read that I thought Oblivion was the weakest TES title to date and leave it at that. Skyrim has done a lot to get the TES series back in line with the tone and style of I, II and III, and that alone is reason to praise it.

Plus it brought back werewolves.

 

[JesterRaiin]

So what's your opinion? And if you are amongst those who hates Oblivion but likes Skyrim, feel free to explain why.

"Hate" is pretty strong word. I dislike Oblivion because it's boring for me. Mostly it's about setting - i don't like Cyrodill and its problems at all. I don't feel like something really is happening. Skyrim's storyline is much more challenging, thus superior in my opinion.

 

[lRookiel]

Hmmm, level 50 warrior on oblivion, got stomped by like 2 bandits using daedric gear because of the shit levelling system.

Level 23 warrior on skyrim, killing dragons/giants/mammoths (With a companion) much better...

 

[JesterRaiin]

Hmmm, level 50 warrior on oblivion, got stomped by like 2 bandits using daedric gear because of the shit levelling system.

That's not levelling system. That's the price you pay for going mano-a-mano with random enemy.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

Funny how as a series goes on, it gets more fans. Happens every time a sequel comes out, for example I didn't like Morrowind because there was too much written dialogue for my liking, not exactly immersive when your trying to imagine talking to someone is it, fortunately they manage to give a voice to everyone in Oblivion (even though it was the same 5 voices throughout).

 

[Leninv3l]

Oblivion's combat blew ass...
Frankly, i like Skyrim better because the world feels more fantastical like Morrowind, than Oblivion's blandness... Special exemption for the Shivering Isles though... Everytinhg in Oblivion just felt really bland, making me wish for the oversized mushrooms, siltstriders, and glittering night skies of Morrowind...