Do you have any "positive" racist opinions or stereotypical views?

[Therumancer]

It is actually surprisingly entertaining watching people argue and debate the ups and downs of stereotypes here, this thread was a great success as far as entertainment goes. Even if it went kinda off topic.

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No, I am not planning to manipulate people to accept my racist opinions. (That is what I got from your post)

I am honestly just having fun.

Ahh, well the truth is that even if you did that it wouldn't be "racist" though some people might call it bigoted. That's one of the problems with sociology in general, and psychology as well for that matter. People don't like being shown how easily they can be classified and predicted, or how you can isolate groups and group behavior/truths fairly easily (with the understanding that there are exceptions, even if general rules can be shown to apply, and even manipulated).

I was mostly saying that such academic points don't go over well here on The Escapist, applied sociology has been a touchy subject in the past, and internet forums tend to be a very general venue, the kinds of things that fly in a classroom do not work here for the most part any more than they would in general discussion.

If your just having fun, apologies for second guessing where you might be going, but even so as someone whose been in similar conversations in the past, I sort of suggest staying off a topic like this.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

Ultimately, there's no such thing. Now, you can wrap up your prejudice in a veneer of beneficence, but it leads to the same thing in the end.

What? Leading to what exactly? Disrimination? If you rephrase that to "it's ultimately the same thing in the end" ie. prejudice, then I can agree, but I really don't see how assuming that say, black people can run faster than white people, can lead to segregation, second class citizenship, denial of human rights etc. which are the most significant consequences of racism.

Since I don't know many foreigners or ethnic minorities, I'll have to resort to my own nationality. By most standards Finns are fairly rude and quiet, but when we talk, we get to the point right away and don't waste time on small talk. When you talk to a Finn, every word you get out of them will have some meaning and thought behind it.

 

[Boba Frag]

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In retrospect, it's pretty ridiculous that I referred to it as "(Southern) Ireland" so I appreciate the correction!

Well, loads of people from the US or various other places do that, so it wasn't a criticism of you at all

Oddly enough, I'm from the very southern part of the island, so make of that what you will lol

 

[Nokturos]

Aryans are superior in every way. That's positive, right?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Ultimately, there's no such thing. Now, you can wrap up your prejudice in a veneer of beneficence, but it leads to the same thing in the end.

What? Leading to what exactly? Disrimination? If you rephrase that to "it's ultimately the same thing in the end" ie. prejudice, then I can agree, but I really don't see how assuming that say, black people can run faster than white people, can lead to segregation, second class citizenship, denial of human rights etc. which are the most significant consequences of racism.

Once you've assumed that black people are inherently different to white people, you will end up leaning towards that sort of thing. Now, there's no reason to assume that it will be so severe...but talking about the physicality of black people in ways that might otherwise be considered positive has long been used to attack them. Black men are big and strong because that makes them scary, or even beasts of burden.

 

[Eamar]

Hmmm. Reluctant to say too much here because I dislike stereotyping, but...

Well, I do find very dark skin incredibly attractive, especially on women. But that's in the same way that I like redheads - it's not a requirement and I don't actually think those are superior to other skin/hair colours.

While I don't for a moment believe every LGBT person fits the conventional stereotypes, I did once go for a meal for LGBT people, and it just so happened that all the girls ordered beer while the guys ordered cocktails. We all had a good laugh about that when someone pointed it out.

I do know a few gay men who 100% do fit the stereotype, and I love hanging out with them. They're fun, they're camp, they're a bit outrageous and they know where to get the best cocktails. But again, I know plenty of gay guys who are nothing like that.

Eh. I don't get the impression I'm doing this right.

 

[Stu35]

Here's a positive stereotype for you. There's something about people from the UK, (Southern) The Republic of Ireland, Australia and New Zealand that makes them want to travel. It's almost as if it's in their blood, which isn't that far off from the truth in an historical context.

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As a British person who's travelled quite a lot. I reckon it's due to the fact that our islands, as beautiful as they are, are fucking cold, wet and miserable. Fully of bloody foreigners too. No wonder we all fuck off elsewhere.


/tongue-in-cheek.



On topic: Black people are fast runners? Asians are good at Maths? these are all 'positive' stereotypes I suppose. Although I know a Chinese lass who's fucking shit at Maths and There's a black bloke I work with who's slower than me (and I'm not fast).

I know plenty of gay guys who are nothing like that.

One of my best mates is gay - He's also a 6'5", 115kg, hairy chested, Rugby League playing, real ale drinking, whisky necking, blokes' bloke. His boyfriend, however, is more feminine than my wife. As far as stereotypical butch/femme Gay relationships go, it's up there.

I think to some extent, all stereotypes come from some sort of truth - or perhaps all stereotypes become self-fulfilling. Whichever.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Well, whether it?s accurate or not, I guess I partially believe in the stereotype that black guys have large penises. This is more to do with my own personal research into it, and that, although I?m a virgin (I?m black, btw), I?ve found that I need at least a large condom so I don?t feel like my member?s getting choked while I?m jacking it. (Not bragging, though; I?m guessing penis size is probably one of the least important things when it comes to the sexual pleasuring of another.)

That ?larger? people have a greater resistance to alcohol. Just that most of my friends that can drink shitloads more booze than me and not get pissed (or, at the most, a bit tipsy) are on the heavier side.

That Muslims are somewhat bigoted. And I think I have more reason to believe this than others on account of growing up in a Muslim family and being forced to go to a madrasa (an Arabic school) when I was younger.

 

[Cerebrawl]

East asians (Chinese and Japanese) having excellent coordination and balance. (I know it's not everyone, but they certainly seem to have the potential to excell). See martial arts, gymnastics, diving(the olympic springboard style), etc.

East africans being genetically predisposed to building slow twitch(high endurance) muscles, which makes them excellent long distance runners.

West africans being genetically predisposed to more fast twitch muscles and making excellent bodybuilders/sprinters/boxers.

 

[nariette]

Aryans are superior in every way. That's positive, right?

I'm still not sure if you intended to make a joke out of that or that you are entirely serious. It goes either way.

I guess Jamaicans are good at sprinting while Kenyans are good at the marathon. Dutch people are good at ice-skating. Black people are great dancers. Germans love fatty foods. British are great at making breakfast and rowing. The list goes on and on.

I do think it's weird that women are seen as a minority even though women make up half of the population.

 

[Ieyke]

Blue/green eyed white people are SOOOO good looking.

That's all i got.

^Basically, on average, the closer you get to the Scandinavian countries, the more attractive the people.

Brits have great, dry senses of humor.

Asians are super studious.

Germans are hyper efficient and work hard, but are masters of relaxing and enjoying life when they're not working.

Canadians are ridiculously friendly.


Those are partially "nationalist" rather than specifically racial. But they all seem pretty damn true.

 

[Ieyke]

That ?larger? people have a greater resistance to alcohol. Just that most of my friends that can drink shitloads more booze than me and not get pissed (or, at the most, a bit tipsy) are on the heavier side.

That's just science.
The more body there is, the more alcohol it takes to effect it.
Like, you're not going to get a whale drunk on a glass of beer, a whale is so massive it probably wouldn't even notice a gallon of vodka.
But you give the glass of beer to a small human and they'll get trashed.

 

[RoonMian]

Black people are resistant to sunburn.

Seems like most everything in this thread is national/cultural in origin. Maybe I'm just deluding myself but I don't think I have preconceptions of anyone based on that even though I probably have some about the culture in bulk.

Of course it is cultural. There are no different races inside the species Homo Sapiens. It's all just social construct or to be a bit more opinionated: A scam.

 

[Hafnium]

Ok I'll bite. I'm going by ethnicity more than country/culture.

Chinese are usually hard workers and africans seem to have good physical traits.

 

[generals3]

Ultimately, there's no such thing. Now, you can wrap up your prejudice in a veneer of beneficence, but it leads to the same thing in the end.

That's not necessarily true. That's like saying although having handicap parking for disabled people is positive discrimination, in the end you'll end up negatively discriminating against them.

OT: Asians have the cutest babies? Black men age well. Blue/green eyed white people are SOOOO good looking.

That's all i got.

To be fair "positive discrimination" is a Political fabrication. At the end of the day for every negative discrimination there is a positive one and vice-versa. In this particular example people who are not disabled are actually being discriminated against in a negative way. How often didn't I have to park so god damn far because the only available spots were for disabled people :| (though i'm not saying we should remove them, i'm not a sadist like that)

 

[Grach]

Something I kind of pick up with the recent inflow of colombians into my country (most of them black) is that they tend to dress better than us.

I dunno.

Also, korean girls are attractive I guess?

 

[DjinnFor]

And that's what he has done. He has formed an opinion "Black woman are attractive" based on one[ok technically two] aspect they have, the colour of their skin [and gender but that's moot].

How could you possibly know that? It could be a host of different personality traits and physical features that tend to show up in black women more often than not. And furthermore, sexual attraction is really not really "forming an opinion". The only conscious thought involved is that which generalizes the attraction to apply to a category of people.

Of course it is cultural. There are no different races inside the species Homo Sapiens. It's all just social construct or to be a bit more opinionated: A scam.

There are, in fact, observable differences in physiology and psychology between people. This difference shows up most prominently in scenarios like race and gender.

Social construct theory isn't even empirically validated enough to call itself a theory. It's nothing short of an ideology, because it persists in spite of evidence to the contrary.

 

[wulf3n]

How could you possibly know that?It could be a host of different personality traits and physical features that tend to show up in black women more often than not.

It could be I'm psychic, or the much more likely reason is that he said it.

And furthermore, sexual attraction is really not really "forming an opinion". The only conscious thought involved is that which generalizes the attraction to apply to a category of people.

The finding them attractive wasn't the opinion. The "more attractive" was the opinion.

 

[RoonMian]

Of course it is cultural. There are no different races inside the species Homo Sapiens. It's all just social construct or to be a bit more opinionated: A scam.

There are, in fact, observable differences in physiology and psychology between people. This difference shows up most prominently in scenarios like race and gender.

Social construct theory isn't even empirically validated enough to call itself a theory. It's nothing short of an ideology, because it persists in spite of evidence to the contrary.

There are differences in physiology or psychology between EVERY human being. That does not make every human being a race of his own. Social construct theory isn't empirically validated? But race theory is? Evidence to the contrary? Well, let's ask the experts: http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Not really. I have a very positive view of Japanese people, but only the ones who at least grew up in Japan. Everyone in Japan is the nicest person, American tourists were about the first people who were rude, but people from other countries who'd lived there for a while were really nice too. It was surprising.

In general though, mostly negative stereotypes on my end. Which is fine too, they're just a product of pattern recognition, a skill that all humans should have.