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TheLastSamurai14

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I'm technically considered one. Shame I'm wasting it in the IT field though. I just don't have much motivation to do anything outside of that as a career. I'm most savvy at computer-related tasks, plain and simple.
 

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I know a girl who is roughly 30 points north of genius on an IQ scale. I don't rely on those but based on what I saw when I was still in school with her I'd believe it. The girl pulled literally a 100 on everything and apparently got nearly 2400 on her SATs, with the essay being the faulty section. Now I don't usually trust grades since they are mostly test based, and obviously the SAT is itself a test and test taking is a skill in and of itself so thats not a good measure. I've read some of this girls papers that she's written and based on those and her collective grades from one of the most competitive high schools in NYC she is in fact a genius.
I am quite curious as to this HS. I just graduated from one of the most competitive schools in the same system, so it would be interesting to see similarities.

Anyway, I don't know if I can classify myself a genius. I didn't do too well on the SAT or in school (then again, my school required classes at least a year higher than those of the non-competitive schools), but most people in my school regarded me as a fucking god in some subjects, the social sciences in particular - comparative government, geopolitics, the like - the kind of guy that's a monster at Quizbowl. But most people were intelligent in their own rights. I can recall a few geniuses, not counting grades. A girl who could speak Latin fluently, a guy with Asperger's who was a bio and computer science specialist, another guy who made a mockery of Times crosswords - also a comp sci person. Plenty of intelligent people, plenty of above average intelligence people who were really good test takers, and a number of average people. Few below, but most of them dropped out quick. Didn't even slow classes down for them.

But everyone has a side to them, and genius still has to be earned in my book.
She goes to Stuyvesant High School. Going into senior year now as far as I know. I say as far as I know because the possibility of her graduating early is very possible from what I've seen of her.
 

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No no wait what? Doesn't the 85-115 hold most of the population? And then a decent amount (but still far far fewer, 5-10% I think?) are in the 70-130 range. Then you get the remainders on the tips of the bell curve stretching all the way down to 0 (complete brain-damage) to 200 (immeasurable genius)?

I don't think 99% of people are above average :p Unless they lied to me all these years...

I know this quote refers only to above average, and not actual high intelligence, but it fits[footnote]I will admit that it may apply to myself as well :p[/footnote]: 50% of people are of above average intelligence, 90% think they are.
No, I think I may have misphrased that. 70% are within one standard deviation of the average, 95% are within two standard deviations (thought it was 99% but I just checked it) but of that remaining 5% the bulk are below the average as opposed to above it.

That's true about the IQ though, people do tend to think they're above average and the values they make up frankly sound absurd when you know the scale. If someone tells me an online IQ test said they had a 136 IQ I politely tell them how unlikely that is.
That makes a lot more sense, I was wondering about that figure there :p 70% between 85 and 115, 95% between 70 and 130, that makes more sense.

This is why I do NOT use online ones, they are a horrific representation, I think overall memory and performance, combined with a structured, written test give a decent measure of IQ, also taking into account something that the person is unnaturally good at, that seems to be a key factor in genius that IQ usually misses.
If they get an IQ of 136, make them show some other results and accomplishments that prove they are bright for their age.
 

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IQ tests say I am a genius... but I am too smart to believe in them.
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This guy was my Chemistry personal tutor and I had lectures with him



The great Professor M Poliakoff. Was he a genius? Yes I would say so. He not only gave me great practical advice in chemistry, but he gave me great life experience. To me, he is a genius.
Great Scott! Did he also give you the address he got that flippin' tie from?
Sadly not. I actually never saw him wear that tie in all the times he taught me actually, most people are enamoured with his hair XD
I can see the hair thing, but I really don't understand how one could own that tie and not wear it. I'd never take it off damnit!
Probably his wife wouldn't let him wear it. She even makes him cut his hair sometimes :D You should see his office though. He had made this sculpture thing out of discarded water bottles over his office doorway. He would also teach us molecular symmetry using dog toys. He is one of those eccentric awesome people and is genuinely one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.
Wives... no appreciation for the necessities of chemists.
University of Nottingham, eh? I reckon I won't have much to do with a foreign university's chemistry department bu if that assumption should turn out false be sure I will be on the lookout for the recycled sculptures and canine playstuff.
Heh. I think he is fairly close to retirement as he has stopped taking on research students. I think he said that he will be at the uni full time for another 3 years, so if you want to run into the sculptures and the dog toys you may have to do it in the next 3 years :)
 

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This is why I do NOT use online ones, they are a horrific representation, I think overall memory and performance, combined with a structured, written test give a decent measure of IQ, also taking into account something that the person is unnaturally good at, that seems to be a key factor in genius that IQ usually misses.
If they get an IQ of 136, make them show some other results and accomplishments that prove they are bright for their age.
Well what I normally ask them is do they really think they're a third again smarter than most people. Like, take how much smarter a person is than a rock and divide it by three and you're that much smarter than the average person?

I think for pure IQ I'm happier not knowing mine. Frankly I've seen dozens of examples of the smarter but useless man being outdone by the slightly slower but hard working and reliable one. I also don't like arrogance, especially in myself and I know myself too well to give me that ammo.

For intelligence I'd personally talk to the person and ask them what they've done. Genius level folk seem to have a pet project so it'd be worth looking at that rather than those slightly baffling 'which shape doesn't go' questions. Then again isn't there about twelve different measures of intelligence? I could have sworn the IQ test only measures about three or four different kinds, which is why it's not supposed to be used to work out if someone is []above[/i] average.
Arrogance one I know what you mean, and I have probably been so on this thread, I am disappointed in me, and live ammo is volatile! But I will leave it there to remind me of these dark (ish, kinda?) days.

Ultimately, there is no one measure for either genius or success. It is too dependant, but from a purely academic standpoint, IQ is okay, practically, it essentially has 5 groups: Brain-damaged, stupid, average, smart, genius. The micro-divisions give you very little information towards the edges of the bell-curve, and success only partially feels the effect of IQ, or even intelligence in general.
 

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Because I don't. Or, at least, not that I've ever known. I've known some very smart people, but no one that I for sure knew to be genius level intelligence. If you do know a genius, what are they like personality wise. Aloof and contemptuous, or are they out-going and personable? I'm very curious about your experiences.
yep, my biology teacher. He was so smart. Like he taught biology that made undergraduates in med school flunk out to me as a freshman ( don't believe me? heres a link to a website he designed himself, and heres thae material he taught):
http://www2.sluh.org/bioweb/
http://www2.sluh.org/bioweb/bi100/outlines/neurology.htm
http://www2.sluh.org/bioweb/bi100/tutorials/neurophysiology.htm
now that was a freshman year of it, heres the ap version:
http://www2.sluh.org/bioweb/apbio/apclassoutlines/ol_nerves_muscles_and_movement.htm
Now he designed the website himself, he made the focussheets by hismelf, and he taught this by himself.
He was my favorite teacher. Absolutely hilarious. He made sarcastic jokes, always had a laugh to give, and has ispired me to be a scientist just like he is
 
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My dad is absolutely a genius, having recently retired as a project manager at JPL. He is an areospace engineer (a literal rocket scientist) and does the funny math it takes to sling a rock from earth to Jupiter, orbit a while, then off to Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

He will most likely be remembered for his work on sun-synchronous orbits [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_synchronous_orbit], though I don't know if he'd regard that as his magnum opus.

Myself, I'm smart and clever, and according to a childhood IQ test, I'd register as a genius, but I haven't made any great academic achievements as of yet. Wrote some keen game music, through.

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Sanguivorous = Drinks blood.

I want that tie.

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I know some people that are geniuses in their field, I'm lectured by them all the time. A couple are proper geniuses, they're very friendly, a usually quite outgoing and optimistic, but they always struggle to comprehend quite how much less you know about something.
 

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I actually know a genius. I cant be bothered to write all I know about him, but seriously, hes a genius. He solves maths with methods no one has ever used, and it goes fast as the f*cking roadrunner. Also, hes all around insanely intelligent. Too bad he suffers from schizophrenia and angst, which keeps him from coming outside. He is being drugged for it, though.

Im also friends with a girl named Alba. Shes pretty much a genius too. IQ somewhere around 160, shot through school like a bullet, and shes got the wildest views and opinions on everything. She has absolutely no boundaries, and gets drunk, if not high, every weekend, and she acts like an idiot most of the time, but when she gets pissed at someone, she will seriously annihilate that person verbally.
 

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Yeah, he's basically Good Guy Greg. I met him when I was in highschool.

He's a mad dog. Nothing phases him and he's ridiculously smart. He was within days of joining the defence force but decided against it. When he took the aptitude test the tester was like "We will give you any job you want in the defence force, we will fast track you to the top if you join. We want you.".
 

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SeeIn2D said:
Kryzantine said:
SeeIn2D said:
I know a girl who is roughly 30 points north of genius on an IQ scale. I don't rely on those but based on what I saw when I was still in school with her I'd believe it. The girl pulled literally a 100 on everything and apparently got nearly 2400 on her SATs, with the essay being the faulty section. Now I don't usually trust grades since they are mostly test based, and obviously the SAT is itself a test and test taking is a skill in and of itself so thats not a good measure. I've read some of this girls papers that she's written and based on those and her collective grades from one of the most competitive high schools in NYC she is in fact a genius.
I am quite curious as to this HS. I just graduated from one of the most competitive schools in the same system, so it would be interesting to see similarities.

Anyway, I don't know if I can classify myself a genius. I didn't do too well on the SAT or in school (then again, my school required classes at least a year higher than those of the non-competitive schools), but most people in my school regarded me as a fucking god in some subjects, the social sciences in particular - comparative government, geopolitics, the like - the kind of guy that's a monster at Quizbowl. But most people were intelligent in their own rights. I can recall a few geniuses, not counting grades. A girl who could speak Latin fluently, a guy with Asperger's who was a bio and computer science specialist, another guy who made a mockery of Times crosswords - also a comp sci person. Plenty of intelligent people, plenty of above average intelligence people who were really good test takers, and a number of average people. Few below, but most of them dropped out quick. Didn't even slow classes down for them.

But everyone has a side to them, and genius still has to be earned in my book.
She goes to Stuyvesant High School. Going into senior year now as far as I know. I say as far as I know because the possibility of her graduating early is very possible from what I've seen of her.
Oh dear. I'm going to need a name, there is a chance I would know her. I just graduated from there, and I happen to know a lot of the incoming seniors. If you're uncomfortable about posting it, message it or something. I am deathly curious as to whether I know this person IRL, and it would be impressive if I did, to compare intelligence.

And I don't think it's possible to graduate early, it's a pretty competitive school. There are usually some people who skip levels of classes - starting with her year, they had a group of people who skipped a year of history, and there's always been people skipping a year of a foreign language, and people skipping levels of math (juniors, for instance, taking multivariable and BC calculus, and it wasn't THAT uncommon, there's usually like 5 people who do it every year). But skipping a grade is nigh-on impossible. We had a child prodigy in our year who skipped 3 grades before Stuy and went through 4 years anyway - I think he's going to MIT. Smart kid. Tough atmosphere, glad to have been through that.

On the downside to the intelligence note, the school does foster a bit of pretentiousness. Students assume they are simply on another level of thinking, and to be fair, some of them are, but most of them are just good test takers. They can understand the concepts, but if you ask them what they can do with it, most people can't do too much. I guess it's something that most of them actually are on another level in concepts as well. I had this crazy bio teacher that insisted on teaching her Regents level, freshman biology class with the same content as an AP Bio class. I never noticed until I was having an argument with one of my friends 2 years later over bone composition. On another note, I actually had an argument with a friend over bone composition and decay.

Crazy place, loved it. So I question the idea of genius, I've been around some very intelligent people and I hesitate to call most of them genius just yet. It's a very subjective term, as this thread shows.
 

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Yes I do but he also has aspergers. He is insanely smart but finds it hard to make friends. It's a shame becuase he is a really nice guy he bought me Okami for example when I didn't know anything about it.
 

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Yea i know a genius... myself....

nah jk im not very smart,

nope i don't associate with the geniuses at my school
 

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inb4 everybody here thinks they're geniuses. oh wait too late.

Most tests mean nothing, Mensa is for people who are shit at Latin and the only way to get a genius stamp is to succeed massively in life because of your talents and intellect. Sitting in your room solving tests on the internet does not make you smart.

To answer your question, no.