Do you remember Haydee? [NSFW....I guess?]

[srcs]

Of course I remember this game! It has the weird blancmange boob woman with no face in it! How could I forget.

I'm concerned for anyone who finds that thing sexy.

To be entirely honest, this game could be brilliant and I still wouldn't play it because I have no interest in playing as a faceless boob monster.

And I am concerned for anyone so lacking in empathy that they can't even conceive of other people enjoying things that they don't enjoy.

Chill out dude, I was mostly kidding.
If you wanna bone the faceless boob monster, well then, you do you.

I mean, I still think it's weird. But to each their own.

I don't find her attractive. Where did you get that from?

 

[srcs]

the protagonist is not designed to invoke a fertility god.

Please share with us the secret to reading minds.

 

[srcs]

If this is some meta-level horror attempt at the creepier rungs of self-rationalising society, then we'll played, developers, I guess. However, there are a couple of reasons to think this is not the case. Not those couple of reasons...

That's a lot of words to say nothing at all.

 

[Phasmal]

Of course I remember this game! It has the weird blancmange boob woman with no face in it! How could I forget.

I'm concerned for anyone who finds that thing sexy.

To be entirely honest, this game could be brilliant and I still wouldn't play it because I have no interest in playing as a faceless boob monster.

And I am concerned for anyone so lacking in empathy that they can't even conceive of other people enjoying things that they don't enjoy.

Chill out dude, I was mostly kidding.
If you wanna bone the faceless boob monster, well then, you do you.

I mean, I still think it's weird. But to each their own.

I don't find her attractive. Where did you get that from?

I didn't get that idea, that's why I stuck a big ol' IF in front of it.
Once again, I recommend a chill pill.

 

[the December King]

Lol. Be more passive aggressive.

... Are you the maker of this game, or something? There seems to be a sort of wild lashing out about your retaliatory posts, and you haven't really shared anything of your own opinions.

 

[srcs]

Lol. Be more passive aggressive.

... Are you the maker of this game, or something? There seems to be a sort of wild lashing out about your retaliatory posts, and you haven't really shared anything of your own opinions.

Nah, I'm just pointing out bs where I see it. I played about five minutes of the game before getting bored. It's just another mediocre platforming trash fire.

 

[the December King]

Lol. Be more passive aggressive.

... Are you the maker of this game, or something? There seems to be a sort of wild lashing out about your retaliatory posts, and you haven't really shared anything of your own opinions.

Nah, I'm just pointing out bs where I see it. I played about five minutes of the game before getting bored. It's just another mediocre platforming trash fire.

Oh, okay. Guess that answers my questions.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

If this is some meta-level horror attempt at the creepier rungs of self-rationalising society, then we'll played, developers, I guess. However, there are a couple of reasons to think this is not the case. Not those couple of reasons...

That's a lot of words to say nothing at all.

I dunno, it looks like they say words that have meanings when I read them. More than your reply contains to it at least. It looks like you're projecting a lot of insecurity onto others so far, like not even subtly. That doesn't make life any easier, it only keeps things going in circles with no productive outcome. Why so invested?

 

[maninahat]

the protagonist is not designed to invoke a fertility god.

Please share with us the secret to reading minds.

Okay, smart alec, I'll rephrase; the protagonist does not look in the slightest like a fertility god, so I can reasonably assume the designers were not trying to make it look like a fertility god.

 

[SweetShark]

Can you please tell me exactly what most of you agrue about?
I understand it is about the protagonist's unique features, but why you extended it to represent a fertility God?

 

[Rip Van Rabbit]

Whoa.
That character model looks like shit -- Err, I mean, it leaves much to be desired...as in scrapping the entire thing and creating something that resembles a coherent design. Somehow the gameplay manages to look even more stilted and obtuse. Not my cup of tea.

 

[Gengisgame]

Other poster was spot on with the Guybrush Threepwood comment.

He sure was spot on with the Guybrush Threepwood comment being a thing that exists. Shame it's a comment that manages to completely miss critical thought in its pursuit of trying to be clever.

To simplify the Guybrush argument, every female character is a representation of all women. Here you are in a thread criticizing the idea of a sexualized female character in a game that was clearly not made for you so your proving that point.

Yes, criticizing character design definitively proves that every female character is representative of all women, because that's how logic works in fantasy land. Back in reality, though, the reason why a female version of Guybrush would be taken as representative of women more generally likely has something to do with the complete dearth of female protagonists to spread out the representation.

If you'd bothered to follow the conversation beyond a point you felt you could make what I'm sure you thought was a good point, you'd have noticed that I said that I don't think a female Guybrush would cause that much controversy if you also genderswapped every other character because, as I said, when there's a large number of female characters, there's a lot less issues with representation.

Say's it misses the point in one paragraph, say's it's true in the other.

I'm not here to argue gender politics.

This is a market for a leisure product that costs a lot of money and your complaining that you don't get what you want because most of the market prefers something else. GTA online makes a lot of money, I dislike that, it means that there will be more focus on that and less on content I like but I need to acknowledge that's how things are, it would be negative entitlement on my part to think that I should be getting the content I want when Rockstar is catering to a now more lucrative market. Despite what you have may have led yourself to believe your WANT is the same thing regardless of how much importance you try to place on your individual WANT, obviously this only applies if you where even interested in the genre. A lot of people who complain about these things do so for products that they never have any interest in buying, in that case there view is worthless.

I would have found it acceptable if you had said you prefer your female characters to be smart, beautiful, morally just and always right if you at least want these things because that's what you want for wish fulfillment and not trying to argue for them because you think your owed them.

 

[CaitSeith]

Can you please tell me exactly what most of you agrue about?
I understand it is about the protagonist's unique features, but why you extended it to represent a fertility God?

Goddess; huge difference (well, two differences). Joke aside, I have no idea either where the fertility goddess argument came from either. As for the rest, it was arguing with someone who was either calling out unjust/unfounded statements about kinky preferences, or just arguing for the sake of making people angry. Frankly I couldn't tell.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Say's it misses the point in one paragraph, say's it's true in the other.

Yes, because "every female character is representative of all women" is the same as "female characters are seen as representing women more generally due to the lack of female characters and protagonists." I mean, in effect I guess they're similar, but that sort of misses the point of the latter for the sake of a shallow reading devoid of nuance.

I would have found it acceptable if you had said you prefer your female characters to be smart, beautiful, morally just and always right if you at least want these things because that's what you want for wish fulfillment and not trying to argue for them because you think your owed them.

And when did I argue that, exactly? Because, as far as I can tell, I criticized a crappy character design and responded to people acting as if developers thinking slightly before designing female characters was some horrible thing and touting out the typical, utterly vapid argument that criticism of female characters will result in developers producing less female characters (you know, because there has never been any criticism of a game having a lack of female characters). After that, I criticized a youtuber's attempt at a clever argument.

How is it a crappy design? It gets across exactly what it needs to. The character is a sex bot so clearly the sexual aspects are going to have focus and be greatly exaggerated. (Long legs, plump butt, huge knockers, exposed skin, these ARE generally considered appealing.) She's also most likely supposed to be a disposable robot to some degree hence the facelessness so that people don't get too attached and not want to throw her out. (Entire Trope based around this one. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacelessGoons)

If anything it's a GREAT design because it all shares a purpose in telling you all you need to know about the character without having to have someone explain it.

As for the Galbrush thing, it's NOT arguing that all women characters are representative of all women, but it does argue that they tend to be taken as such. If you made a character like the theortical Galbrush the first complaints would amount to "Oh, so women are all incompetent then?" or "Girls need strong role models too!"

Basically, Principle Skinner has the whole issue summed up.

 

[Gengisgame]

Say's it misses the point in one paragraph, say's it's true in the other.

Yes, because "every female character is representative of all women" is the same as "female characters are seen as representing women more generally due to the lack of female characters and protagonists." I mean, in effect I guess they're similar, but that sort of misses the point of the latter for the sake of a shallow reading devoid of nuance.

I would have found it acceptable if you had said you prefer your female characters to be smart, beautiful, morally just and always right if you at least want these things because that's what you want for wish fulfillment and not trying to argue for them because you think your owed them.

And when did I argue that, exactly? Because, as far as I can tell, I criticized a crappy character design and responded to people acting as if developers thinking slightly before designing female characters was some horrible thing and touting out the typical, utterly vapid argument that criticism of female characters will result in developers producing less female characters (you know, because there has never been any criticism of a game having a lack of female characters). After that, I criticized a youtuber's attempt at a clever argument.

That is your choice to make, YOU CHOOSE to see every character female character as a representative of all females. Your reason for doing so is irrelevant, you have justified yourself into thinking that you are owed more as an individual. There is no fairness to be had here.

That's your entire argument. YOU DECIDED that you where owed specific female characters (without paying for them) and have put it upon these developers to provide that or never make something you don't like. I'm going to assume that you fall in the camp that would have not not bought this game.

This is essentially what you have said.

If someone goes and makes a game and puts a female character in it, it must meet your standards of what's acceptable for a female character or never be made it, this could have no impact on you but that is what you expect for all games.

You expect this not on how much money you have, not on how many people are willing to buy the game, not on how much you have supported these developers in the past, not on your willingness to buy it. You expect the market for a PRODUCT OF LEISURE to cater to your taste on the of basis of the social issues you deem relevant.......

 

[Bombiz]

Say's it misses the point in one paragraph, say's it's true in the other.

Yes, because "every female character is representative of all women" is the same as "female characters are seen as representing women more generally due to the lack of female characters and protagonists." I mean, in effect I guess they're similar, but that sort of misses the point of the latter for the sake of a shallow reading devoid of nuance.

I would have found it acceptable if you had said you prefer your female characters to be smart, beautiful, morally just and always right if you at least want these things because that's what you want for wish fulfillment and not trying to argue for them because you think your owed them.

And when did I argue that, exactly? Because, as far as I can tell, I criticized a crappy character design and responded to people acting as if developers thinking slightly before designing female characters was some horrible thing and touting out the typical, utterly vapid argument that criticism of female characters will result in developers producing less female characters (you know, because there has never been any criticism of a game having a lack of female characters). After that, I criticized a youtuber's attempt at a clever argument.

How is it a crappy design? It gets across exactly what it needs to. The character is a sex bot so clearly the sexual aspects are going to have focus and be greatly exaggerated. (Long legs, plump butt, huge knockers, exposed skin, these ARE generally considered appealing.) She's also most likely supposed to be a disposable robot to some degree hence the facelessness so that people don't get too attached and not want to throw her out. (Entire Trope based around this one. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacelessGoons)

If anything it's a GREAT design because it all shares a purpose in telling you all you need to know about the character without having to have someone explain it.

Gonna be honest here I didn't get any of that from the character design until you just explained it to me.
@Metalix_Knightmare

 

[Bombiz]

That's... not sexy. Not to me. At all.

Not even on a bare minimum baseline glassy-eyed-blond-pronstars-pretending-to-orgasm level.

It feels like stumbling across someone else's porn that caters to a fetish so obscure I wouldn't even recognize it as such if it wasn't for the prominently visible butt.

Yeah, tits and ass is a really obscure fetish.

Uh huh. Which is why my post ended in "if it wasn't for the prominently visible butt".

It's the being attached to a faceless shooty robot that makes me think of obscure fetish porn.

It's like if someone tried to make an orchard sexy by nailing a rubber arse to each tree.

But you don't actually think it's obscure; you believe that people with a fetish for robots (or tress with butts, or whatever the case may be) are wrong. Bad. Lacking. Whatever word you want to use, the point is that you're trying to mask the fact that you associate negative value with this fetish with a confused and incredulous persona.

There's no need to indicate that you don't understand a fetish. A fetish, by its nature, can't be understood by someone who doesn't have it. It's like trying to justify why someone likes the taste of tomatoes. There's some chemical stuff going on in the brain, sure, but there isn't a "reason" in the sense of clear cause and effect.

But not being able to understand doesn't preclude us from empathizing with a person who has that fetish. Nor does it follow that we should look down on them. Which you are. Don't bother trying to obfuscate.

Dude, the fuck?

Well, I wasn't confused and incredulous before, but your post quickly changed that.

So, uhh... please quote the exact part where I said anything even mildly critical or kink-shamey about people who like robot butts.

I'm not referring to the beliefs you pretend to hold, but the ones you actually hold. This is obvious from my post. Read it again.

How do you know he actually hold these beliefs though?