Do you think dragons are overdone and boring?

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The dragon is usually among the toughest and most fearsome of fantasy creatures. They can represent age, wisdom, brutality, power, envy, fear, greed or whatever else the writer wishes.

Skyrim's dragons will be dangerous opponents. Their randomness is a factor as they can appear at any time...for example in the middle or on the back of a frenetic melee the player only just survived. They also serve a gameplay function, providing the souls required to power some of the player's magic.

I have no trouble with dragons when done well. As in those of Baldur's Gate II for example (the Red, the Silver, the Black, the Green), each of them we meet have a personality. We don't have to fight them all but if we choose to, they are very difficult fights with very powerful rewards. I fear that Dovahkiin will be slaying them with some ease, as their gameplay function (that of a special mana effectively) means that players will need (or at least want) to fight them often, reducing their fearsomeness, the thought required to kill them and so on. The player will seek out dragons, mostly confident of victory rather than have them be few, far between and fearsome.

The fantasy trope I'm tired of is the archetypal Dark Lord. I love fantasy, can forgive it almost anything but if other genres can grow out of such things, why can't it? Two Worlds 2's opening scene was precisely the sort of bollocks I can't stand. He literally was called Dark Lord, wore black and committed evil. Seriously??

Anyway, I don't mind the dragon. We as the audience can make the connections the designers/writers want because we already have feelings and thoughts about dwarves, elves, orcs and dragons. Giant Spiders, Wolves, Zombies...we inherently understand their "threat level", strengths, weaknesses and so on, whatever the media.

And lastly, don't compare Skyrim's dragons with being samey, repetitive like WoW, Dragon Age, whatever. It should be compared with Oblivion and Morrowind.
 

Don Reba

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The whole medieval fantasy setting is dreadfully overdone, in my opinion. For me, it is a big reason to ignore a game.
 

Togs

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No, as dragons are awesome.

And for that matter so are zombies, vampires, werewolves, elves, dwarves and evil russians with dodgy accents.

Try not hating everything, life starts to look alot more rosy when you do.
 

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The classic fantasy genre in general is overdone.

Which is why Demon's/Dark Souls was so engrossing; it was classic fantasy only twisted and odd to create a new sense of wonderment.

Skyrim is the same old fantasy setting only more Nordic.
 

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Dragons are awesome and always will be awesome. It's not about being overused, it's about how they are used. Just like people, houses, weapons, bad guys etc. Cool dragons will always be fun to see.
 
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They've been done, but rarely well. And when have you played an open world game in which you just might stumble upon a dragon? Where it wasn't a boss or a scripted scene, but just a natural element of the world? I've been looking forward to this since I first played The Legend of Zelda on the NES.
 

Meestor Pickle

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So it seems all we need is some kind of Kraken with mechanical legs to chase you all over the place.

No I wouldn't say dragons are overdone and I find them really cool and rarely are boring in whatever game\show\movie\book they are in.
 

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Every game has a dragon in it. It might not be a giant fire-breathing lizard, but there is a dragon. Dragons are representative of something that is fundamentally bigger and more powerful than yourself, the literal embodiment of power. The ability to fight and eventually defeat these "overwhelming odds" is the core of character growth. Without an enemy to fight "worthy" of your powers/skills, the game is boring. All games have, at some point, a powerful enemy or great challenge to "fight" in order to be a good game, therefore every game has a dragon.
 

Lonely Swordsman

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There's no such thing as overdone, only done well or done badly. That goes for dragons as well as any other "overused/overexposed" hate figure of the moment, be it zombies, vampires or Green Lanterns (though I am getting really fucking sick of seeing Green Lanterns everywhere)
 

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I consider dragons as part of the same level of 'lame fantasy' as goblins, fairies, unicorns and elves.

Screw dragons, demons are better at filling a 'dragon's role' anyway, and they're a straight out incarnation of evil meaning they lack the lame-factor.
 

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Solid Reece said:
I think zombies are way more overdone and boring. Come on, TV,Movies,Games and still coming
This. Though I really do like The Walking Dead TV series. I also will throw in the idea of Vampires is over done as well. Thanks Twilight, thanks a whole lot.
 

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OP is right

/supported point completely

have yahtzee give some games inspiration and we'll be dogs fighting off grizly bears with our magic pen drawings of doom
 

babinro

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Not at all.

Dragon's are nowhere close to being overused in gaming. Gaming overuses zombies or Russian's. By comparison Dragon's still feel fresh.

Regarding Skyrim specifically, Dragon's don't help sell the game to me at all. They lead to cool looking trailers but only time will tell if they truly enhance the game experience like they did in Dragon Age.
 

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I don't like this 'yawn, Trope X has already exceeded its quota of uses in popular culture and therefore is now boring' attitude I'm seeing. Yeah, some ideas have been used a lot by now, but try actually engaging with the material. There might be some new ideas in there.
 

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uzo said:
Perhaps you'd enjoy a visit from the local Tarrasque? No? Didn't think so.
Roll a Bard
Get to level 10
Buff Bluff and/or Diplomacy up to ridiculous levels
Convince a horde of dragons that the Big T needs to die (easy with your persuasion skills)
Watch the fireworks.

There's a Trap the Soul trick which avoids the Tarrasque's spell resistance too, though it requires a 50k gold gem.

Summon/Rebuke an Allip (which is both incorporeal and can fly) and have it use its Ability Drain (Wisdom) on the Tarrasque. At 1d4 Wis/turn and only 14 Wis on the Tarrasque, it'd take about...5-6 rounds to knock it out. Less than a minute. Since it's Ability Drain and not Damage the drain is permanent, which means that unless some idiot casts Restoration on the Tarrasque, it is permanently incapable of acting. After that you can open up your own Tarrasque Steak Restaurant. My favourite part of this is that at 4HD, an Allip can actually be rebuked by a lucky roll at level 1 (17-20 with 14 Charisma) meaning that an Evil/Neutral Cleric can defeat the Tarrasque at first level.

The Tarrasque is intimidating by numbers, not actually not that tough. It can't fly, it can't cast spells and it has no ranged attacks to speak of.
 

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I'm sorry I have no idea what you just said. I got to dragon and have spent the last 15 minutes imagining what it would be like to be one.
 

Double A

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I've seen dragons used as (mostly late game) bosses. Never random encounters (in WRPGs).

It's a very awesome idea and I love Bethesda. This post would be better, but I gotta run.
 

Baresark

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I get what the OP is saying. I mean, are dragons overdone across various medias? Absolutely. It is to the point that if a novel involves a dragon, I don't go near it. Though, there aren't a lot of games off the top of my head that have dragons in them. There has been some fantasy games that have them besides the obvious, but I am honestly kind of surprised how few fantasy games have them theses days.

Also, as with the case of Skyrim, it's the fifth game in the series and it's the first game to include dragons. It is really the first common fantasy aspect the series has now. Previously, they have always made up the enemies in house. It looks like they have done something unique with it as well. For instance, they are only enemies (until someone mods Puff the Magic Dragon into the game), and you get something that doesn't amount to loot but an inherited ability from them. While I am a bit weary of standard fantasy fair such as dragons, I never for one second doubted Skyrim would be awesome.