Hang on, hang on. There have been two Mass Effect games, both of them great. And another one coming along of which I have no reason to assume it will be anything but good. How has the series lost its touch exactly?
Do you think that the Mass Effect series has lost it's 'touch'?
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Well I still really have to question a number of design and story decisions that went into Mass Effect 2, not the least of which the heat sync ammo thing and the removal of the Mako, I loved the Mako, but more the fact that they replaced it with a dull boring resource scanning minigame. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
Also the story seemed to have taken a turn towards the batshit bonkers sometime between the first and second games. Somehow I get the impression that they didn't begin working out the story for the second game until after the first one was already released (and presumably the same for the 3rd). What I think they should've done is worked out the story for all 3 games before even starting development on the first game (or during development of the first game) so when it came time to develop the 2nd and 3rd the story was already done and properly strung together.
Also the story seemed to have taken a turn towards the batshit bonkers sometime between the first and second games. Somehow I get the impression that they didn't begin working out the story for the second game until after the first one was already released (and presumably the same for the 3rd). What I think they should've done is worked out the story for all 3 games before even starting development on the first game (or during development of the first game) so when it came time to develop the 2nd and 3rd the story was already done and properly strung together.
You fomulate a hypothesis with limited data and then try to create ways to test the hypothesis and, thusly, create more.Gill Kaiser said:
OT: No, some people just love to scream "IT'S DUMBED DOWN!" if there aren't at least fourteen different kinds of hat to wear.
I'm not saying it has, I'm just asking poeple if THEY THINK that it has. I enjoyed both Mass Effects and their DLC.GundamSentinel said:
Obviously however nobody is talking about the role-playing aspect. They're talking about the elements associated with many RPGs that Mass Effect 1 embraced and then abandoned in the transition to Mass Effect 2.[/quote]Dirzzit said:
Mass Effect 2 did not even abandon RPG elements. complex Conversation Trees remained, and you still had "Magic" (Biotic and Tech powers). the level up tree was a lot more simplified in ME 2 not entirely to the games detriment. Sure I would have preferred non combat oriented stats like Toughness and Negotiation remained, but lets be honest, Sheppard was the equivilent of a Navy SEAL, and all of his team were already veterans. making Shepard and Garrus unable to competently use a Sniper Rifle until level 15 just hindered characters needlessly.
alright, time to be that guy.
mass effect 1 was an interesting and deep mystery movie.
mass effect 2 was an action flick.
mass effect 1 was an interesting and deep mystery movie.
mass effect 2 was an action flick.
I think the original Mass Effect never had a touch. The loot system was stupid and unnecessary, I didn't care enough to understand any of the alien races' back-stories, only a handful of choices actually mattered, and the whole gameplay experience was just passable. Yeah, it had a good story, but there's a reason a game is called a game, and Bioware was trying to be the snobby art-house directors[footnote]Note: I'm not calling all art-house directors snobby. Also, what I mean by this sentence is that Bioware was thinking that their game couldn't have good gameplay because they thought that it would "ruin the experience" or some other nonsense.[/footnote] of the video game world.
Am I remembering this wrong? Don't they give you tons and tons of resources if you've finished ME1 and transfer your savefile? While the mineral scanning minigame was boring, I honestly can't remember putting a lot of time into it, which is why I find it odd when people complain that they spent hours mining for minerals.canadamus_prime said:
Challenge accepted.Dirzzit said:
Mass Effect, like all video games, arbitrarily limits the player's options through the fact that everything in it is coded. One cannot completely role-play without another intelligence actively controlling the game and adjusting to the individual.
A good approximation of a role-playing game? Yes. Actual role-playing? No; it's a weakness of the medium.
As a series? Probably not. To my personal liking, it kind of has. I enjoyed the gameplay in Mass Effect 2 just as much as the first, if not more so, but I enjoyed the plot, setting and everything related a lot more in the first Mass Effect.
Felt like it had more original concepts going for it, more verisimilitude, and above all more focus on an epic, overarching plot as opposed to running errands for your companions. I hope Mass Effect 3 can get me interested again, but I'm not holding my breath.
Felt like it had more original concepts going for it, more verisimilitude, and above all more focus on an epic, overarching plot as opposed to running errands for your companions. I hope Mass Effect 3 can get me interested again, but I'm not holding my breath.
I have. And people before you have said they like ME2, heck, I like ME2 more. I haven't seen anyone flaming ME2 for not having the dicking around with weapons. Even if there are people who are going to, a simple "just because I like ME2 more doesn't make me a bad person" would suffice. Not a big paragraph that's longer than the rest of your post . You yourself could grow up and not call everyone a **** before they've even posted. With all due respect.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Why are we having the argument about whether ME2 is a role-playing game or not again? Nobody can even agree what a role-playing game is in the first place.
Yes, if you import a character from Mass Effect, you get a whole bunch of resources, but you still have to do so mining at some point; less than if you started from scratch, but some none the less; and it's still boring. Also I can't imagine how anyone could possibly think that a mineral scanning minigame could be a good alternative to driving a tank/ATV/APC-thing around. I mean c'mon, who didn't enjoy drivin' around doing doughnuts on alien planets? Now if only there had been more variety in the alien planets...SpaceBat said:
'Losing it's touch' implies that there was some established 'touch' to lose.
Mass Effect has exactly 2 games.
The first had a superior story. The second had superior everything else.
If Mass Effect 3 somehow fails the obvious result of combining these two, and fails to be the best game ever made, then it will have 'lost it's touch'.
Until then, I will enjoy both Mass Effects, enjoying both for their advantages.
Mass Effect has exactly 2 games.
The first had a superior story. The second had superior everything else.
If Mass Effect 3 somehow fails the obvious result of combining these two, and fails to be the best game ever made, then it will have 'lost it's touch'.
Until then, I will enjoy both Mass Effects, enjoying both for their advantages.