Do you think there's discrimination against female film/television directors?

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BloatedGuppy

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I'd say the unpopular thing that it's probably just not very attractive job for females and those who work in it would rather blame every bad thing on "sexism" and "patriarchy" rather than their lack of abilities.
An opinion that would be viewed as unpopular for a very salient reason.

PS - More studies of the effects of Swedish massages on rabbits, please. And perhaps a study on the creation of top hats for kittens. Life is meaningless without capacity for whimsy.
 

EyeReaper

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Sure. Just like how the patriarchy keeps all those women away from being plumbers or construction workers.

This just reeks of some "Correlation/Causation" crap to me. Just because there isn't many lady directors does not mean there is some agent actively barring women from getting these jobs. Same with STEM, or game design, or any other job that is gender-skewed. Maybe they just don't want to direct
 

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For any question like this, is it a career involving childcare or customer service where half your role is to be pleasant? if no the yes because as much as people these days like to pretend they totally think everyone equal the longer you know them the longer the list of "exceptions" grows and the more apparent it becomes that behaviour dose not match. Even if a career with %80 woman you can bet that any guys that come along get snapped up for leadership positions and be assumed to be more competent unless they mind numbly awful at it. Hell in my university that idea is so accepted they'll even outright says so like it's a good thing just in case you had hope that wouldn't be the case when you graduate. You have to either accept that or blow your fucking brains out because it never going to change.
 

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Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
For any question like this, is it a career involving childcare or customer service where half your role is to be pleasant? if no the yes because as much as people these days like to pretend they totally think everyone equal the longer you know them the longer the list of "exceptions" grows and the more apparent it becomes that behaviour dose not match. Even if a career with %80 woman you can bet that any guys that come along get snapped up for leadership positions and be assumed to be more competent unless they mind numbly awful at it. Hell in my university that idea is so accepted they'll even outright says so like it's a good thing just in case you had hope that wouldn't be the case when you graduate. You have to either accept that or blow your fucking brains out because it never going to change.
That is some military grade irony right there.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.883728-What-is-your-opinion-on-women-dressing-sexy-for-Halloween#22294614
DementedSheep said:
It's whore being whores, missing the spirit of events and just using as an excuse to get their tits out. Same as usual.
AH still not over that I see. What part of not liking woman who intentionally whore themselves out and thinking there is sexism in workplaces conflicts? in fact what part of thinking sexism in the workplace exist and even being sexist conflicts?
 

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Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
For any question like this, is it a career involving childcare or customer service where half your role is to be pleasant? if no the yes because as much as people these days like to pretend they totally think everyone equal the longer you know them the longer the list of "exceptions" grows and the more apparent it becomes that behaviour dose not match. Even if a career with %80 woman you can bet that any guys that come along get snapped up for leadership positions and be assumed to be more competent unless they mind numbly awful at it. Hell in my university that idea is so accepted they'll even outright says so like it's a good thing just in case you had hope that wouldn't be the case when you graduate. You have to either accept that or blow your fucking brains out because it never going to change.
That is some military grade irony right there.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.883728-What-is-your-opinion-on-women-dressing-sexy-for-Halloween#22294614
DementedSheep said:
It's whore being whores, missing the spirit of events and just using as an excuse to get their tits out. Same as usual.
AH still not over that I see. What part of not liking woman who intentionally whore themselves out and thinking there is sexism in workplaces conflicts? in fact what part of thinking sexism in the workplace exist and even being sexist conflicts?
Do you know what "whore out" means? Your attempt to mix such ridiculous hyperbole in only tells me about your state of mind, nothing coherent beyond that. After that I just question the source of anything related to gender from someone who sounds like a frustrated serial killer.
Yeah well you do that, I'm not going over that song and dance again.
 

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I have no idea, and I haven't seen any evidence for one or the other. Wouldn't be surprised if they are mistreated and not many are interested honestly.

I'll tell you this though, when looking into the film study's and game design classes in my school every year, there's usually about 1 or 2 girls there while the rest are boys. Every year.
 

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Behind the scenes, there' about as much of a change as it being true as in any other working scenario, which at the end of the day is up to interpretation. But for the common moviegoer? I can barely name 3 male directors, much less female ones, and don't even ask me to identify similar cinematography techniques in their works. I have probably seen a movie directed by a woman and I wouldn't be able to tell you.
 

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KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Women have a pretty strong history in the film and television industry as writers, directors, and producers, a lot of people don't realize this fact.
The same is true of black freemen in pre-Civil War USA, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't a problem.
 

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Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
For any question like this, is it a career involving childcare or customer service where half your role is to be pleasant? if no the yes because as much as people these days like to pretend they totally think everyone equal the longer you know them the longer the list of "exceptions" grows and the more apparent it becomes that behaviour dose not match. Even if a career with %80 woman you can bet that any guys that come along get snapped up for leadership positions and be assumed to be more competent unless they mind numbly awful at it. Hell in my university that idea is so accepted they'll even outright says so like it's a good thing just in case you had hope that wouldn't be the case when you graduate. You have to either accept that or blow your fucking brains out because it never going to change.
That is some military grade irony right there.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.883728-What-is-your-opinion-on-women-dressing-sexy-for-Halloween#22294614
DementedSheep said:
It's whore being whores, missing the spirit of events and just using as an excuse to get their tits out. Same as usual.
AH still not over that I see. What part of not liking woman who intentionally whore themselves out and thinking there is sexism in workplaces conflicts? in fact what part of thinking sexism in the workplace exist and even being sexist conflicts?
Do you know what "whore out" means? Your attempt to mix such ridiculous hyperbole in only tells me about your state of mind, nothing coherent beyond that. After that I just question the source of anything related to gender from someone who sounds like a frustrated serial killer.
You know.. They have found a link between sexism and psychological disorders..
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep14220
Yes, those who hold more sexist beliefs were shown to also be more likely to have other psychological disorders, in addition their brain scans were not the same as those who do not hold such beliefs. It is possible we have been trying all along to address a neurological disorder with a social solution.

OP: Yes, there is abundant sexism in the entertainment industry, there has been for decades and this is an old problem, not a new one. Not just in how many women are allowed to be directors, but in how much actresses are paid and how women are treated in comparison to men. Hopefully it is something we will finally see changed in our lifetime.
 

Vault101

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It's fairly well known than sexism in the film industry...particularly hollywood is a thing. I think I once read that there are tons of indie female directors but they seem to fizzle out at the mainstream level

I guess an industry that's hard enough to break into on its own would be exacerbated by sexism
 

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From the audience? I doubt it. I don't give a shit who the director is if they can make a good movie and I would think most others would be the same.

From within? I'd imagine so, given the nature of most wealthy people. Have there been any movies with female directors that have flopped? How's the profits from female-directed films in general? I can't think of any female-directed movies to begin with, but if any early ones were flops, I think it would begin the directorial equivalent of "need experience to get a job, need a job to get experience," where execs would be weary about using a female director that hasn't proven herself, lest she waste their money. And yet, since execs only want to film movies that will make them money, I think that they would think it be better to go with a proven director, or, lacking that, a director from a gender with a more "proven" record. (I don't think that males and females have any particularly big difference in directing ability, but I do think that execs are greedy enough to use that reasoning to conceivably same them money).
 

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Bad Penny said:
Lil devils x said:
Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
Bad Penny said:
DementedSheep said:
For any question like this, is it a career involving childcare or customer service where half your role is to be pleasant? if no the yes because as much as people these days like to pretend they totally think everyone equal the longer you know them the longer the list of "exceptions" grows and the more apparent it becomes that behaviour dose not match. Even if a career with %80 woman you can bet that any guys that come along get snapped up for leadership positions and be assumed to be more competent unless they mind numbly awful at it. Hell in my university that idea is so accepted they'll even outright says so like it's a good thing just in case you had hope that wouldn't be the case when you graduate. You have to either accept that or blow your fucking brains out because it never going to change.
That is some military grade irony right there.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.883728-What-is-your-opinion-on-women-dressing-sexy-for-Halloween#22294614
DementedSheep said:
It's whore being whores, missing the spirit of events and just using as an excuse to get their tits out. Same as usual.
AH still not over that I see. What part of not liking woman who intentionally whore themselves out and thinking there is sexism in workplaces conflicts? in fact what part of thinking sexism in the workplace exist and even being sexist conflicts?
Do you know what "whore out" means? Your attempt to mix such ridiculous hyperbole in only tells me about your state of mind, nothing coherent beyond that. After that I just question the source of anything related to gender from someone who sounds like a frustrated serial killer.
You know.. They have found a link between sexism and psychological disorders..
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep14220
Yes, those who hold more sexist beliefs were shown to also be more likely to have other psychological disorders, in addition their brain scans were not the same as those who do not hold such beliefs. It is possible we have been trying all along to address a neurological disorder with a social solution.

OP: Yes, there is abundant sexism in the entertainment industry, there has been for decades and this is an old problem, not a new one. Not just in how many women are allowed to be directors, but in how much actresses are paid and how women are treated in comparison to men. Hopefully it is something we will finally see changed in our lifetime.
Absolutely, I wasn't simply being facetious. Really rabid sexism, racism, and all of that kind of thing is strongly associated with mental illness. In particular vicious misogyny tends to be the result of someone who has been neglected or abused by a strong female figure, usually the mother or primary caretaker. Often people who are obsessed with and hate "whores" are the children of actual whores. Most of those people grow up to be whatever normal is, or some variation of anxious, depressed, and addicted doing harm to no one. A few though, those with a psychopathic, sociopathic, or strongly narcissistic personality, become violent serial offenders.
If you honesty equate harsh words with 'they must be serial killer' maybe you have a problem. Not only have I have never intentionally hurt someone but when push comes to shove I still help someone when I don't like how they act.
My mother is fine if you're going to start with armchair psychology about that.