DOAX3 officially not being localized for the west

[BloatedGuppy]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

 

[Redryhno]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'. The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'.

People ***** and moan about a lot of things, particularly on the subject of spending money. If the metric used for determining whether or not something was "fine and dandy" is "did anyone ever ***** and moan about it" then no, nothing is fine and dandy. Everything is terrible.

The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

Please define "agree with". I would prefer if nothing is exclusive, but that doesn't mean said preference should be writ. Are you arguing this company should not be able to distribute games in the regions of their choosing? I'm confused.

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

Allllrighty then. I'll let you get back to your conversational partner of choice.

 

[Inglorious891]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

Exceeeeeept it's not being censored. No part of it is being changed to meet with the demands of a group of people, nor it is impossible for any Westerner to actually buy the game. If you really want it, you can just import it (as I said in my first post).

And let's not compare God of War or GTA to a softcore porn game. God of War or GTA actually have some artistic merit where, by their disappearance, gaming would be lesser. Gaming isn't losing any artistic merit from DOA babyface volleyball being a bit harder for Westerners to get.

 

[TheTygre]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

Exceeeeeept it's not being censored. No part of it is being changed to meet with the demands of a group of people, nor it is impossible for any Westerner to actually buy the game. If you really want it, you can just import it (as I said in my first post).

And let's not compare God of War or GTA to a softcore porn game. God of War or GTA actually have some artistic merit where, by their disappearance, gaming would be lesser. Gaming isn't losing any artistic merit from DOA babyface volleyball being a bit harder for Westerners to get.

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

He's not saying DOAX has no artistic merit (although it doesn't, but I digress). He's saying that a game being marginally more difficult to acquire isn't "censorship" in any meaningful way, even a hysterically watered down way.

 

[TheTygre]

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

He's not saying DOAX has no artistic merit (although it doesn't, but I digress). He's saying that a game being marginally more difficult to acquire isn't "censorship" in any meaningful way, even a hysterically watered down way.

I'm just sayin'; one issue at a time here, that's all.

 

[Defective_Detective]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'. The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

Um, last time I checked, this was an open and free internet forum*, not a private conversation between you and I with its own special set of rules. BloatedGuppy's opinion is completely valid as an answer, since they are free to have their quid's worth on the matter, and I have no obligation to return at any point to answer you specifically.

And... Yes. A console is traditionally necessary to play a console game. So, you are free to buy the console, the controller, a couch pillow to sit on, electricity to light up the magical box of electronic wonder... In any case, I think you're taking this away from the actual point of discussion on this thread...


*With Escapist forum guidelines and rules in effect. After all, we aren't barbarians...

 

[Redryhno]

So are you also saying that console exclusives are fine and dandy too? If you want the game, just buy it and the system it's on...

Define "fine and dandy". They've existed for decades and people seem to be buying consoles, so it appears to be a perfectly functional system.

Yet many people still ***** and moan about it...people complain about CoD and other yearly iterations getting higher sales than what is considered more 'worthy'. The point of the post was that if this is ok, do they also agree with console exclusives? And if not, what is the difference?

I mean, unless you are Defective Detective, I don't really think your opinion is especially all that valid as an answer. No offense.

Um, last time I checked, this was an open and free internet forum*, not a private conversation between you and I with its own special set of rules. BloatedGuppy's opinion is completely valid as an answer, since they are free to have their quid's worth on the matter, and I have no obligation to return at any point to answer you specifically.

And... Yes. A console is traditionally necessary to play a console game. So, you are free to buy the console, the controller, a couch pillow to sit on, electricity to light up the magical box of electronic wonder... In any case, I think you're taking this away from the actual point of discussion on this thread...


*With Escapist forum guidelines and rules in effect. After all, we aren't barbarians...

Silly as I think your opinion on this matter is, at least you're consistent.

And while his answer was AN answer, he wasn't the person I was asking from, therefore, it wasn't valid with the stipulation I plopped onto it.

 

[Lightspeaker]

But since I'm here anyway, isn't it strange how "artistic freedom" only seems to apply to titty games and ultraviolence? The "artistic freedom" crowd was hardly heard from when Gone Home was under fire...except when they were voicing their opinions against the game's sale. It's like only some people are entitled to free speech and artistic freedom or something.

I own Gone Home, had a rather nice time with it actually. Touching story and I enjoyed the atmosphere even if the gameplay was a bit lacking. In fact I've defended the game numerous times elsewhere against rather more unpleasant crowds than are seen around here for its artistic stylings.

I simultaneously think that, yes, this is precisely the result of pressure on artistic freedom. Specifically members of the development team apparently feel sufficiently pressured by the hatred, yelling, screaming and abuse that has apparently become normal and to be expected "because sexism" that they don't feel its worth inviting all of that by localising it specifically for regions where that's likely to come from.

So...yeah, thanks for the insult but you're wrong. It IS possible to both support Gone Home's existence AND to oppose this kind of societal suppression by conservative attitudes and perspectives. It goes against my fundamentally liberal nature.


(Though on a side note the 'artistic freedom' argument for the ME3 ending is still utter nonsense. That was nothing to do with artistic freedom and everything to do with specific commitments they made, after the game was already complete, which failed to materialise. False advertising, plain and simple. /RandomRageAndYesItStillHurts)

 

[CaitSeith]

(Though on a side note the 'artistic freedom' argument for the ME3 ending is still utter nonsense. That was nothing to do with artistic freedom and everything to do with specific commitments they made, after the game was already complete, which failed to materialise. False advertising, plain and simple. /RandomRageAndYesItStillHurts)

There an accepted preconception that game advertisement won't reflect the final experience. Yes, it's shit and it hurts. But it's a problem in the industry as a whole, not just ME3. So until that is fixed, you can't expect to win more terrain with the "false advertising" approach.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose I should write something about the OP, right? Err... less blood, more boobs!

 

[Lightspeaker]

(Though on a side note the 'artistic freedom' argument for the ME3 ending is still utter nonsense. That was nothing to do with artistic freedom and everything to do with specific commitments they made, after the game was already complete, which failed to materialise. False advertising, plain and simple. /RandomRageAndYesItStillHurts)

There an accepted preconception that game advertisement won't reflect the final experience. Yes, it's shit and it hurts. But it's a problem in the industry as a whole, not just ME3. So until that is fixed, you can't expect to win more terrain with the "false advertising" approach.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose I should write something about the OP, right? Err... less blood, more boobs!

I was more attacking the argument many have made that there was nothing wrong with what they did at all "because art".

But yeah, false advertising is a problem across the board.

 

[Inglorious891]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

Exceeeeeept it's not being censored. No part of it is being changed to meet with the demands of a group of people, nor it is impossible for any Westerner to actually buy the game. If you really want it, you can just import it (as I said in my first post).

And let's not compare God of War or GTA to a softcore porn game. God of War or GTA actually have some artistic merit where, by their disappearance, gaming would be lesser. Gaming isn't losing any artistic merit from DOA babyface volleyball being a bit harder for Westerners to get.

Ooooh. Buddy, let's not open the 'artistic merit' can of worms. That's a long and dusty road that goes nowhere good.

You do have a point with not opening that can of worms as it is something that people on this site would be petty enough to drag out, but I digress.

 

[NiPah]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

You'll always find people over reacting, it's the Internet.
At least it's not a murder simulator like call of duty being held up, then people would really be pissed.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

This thread reads like a microcosm of the last year and a half of "discussions" hereabouts.

Same people on either side.

Like clockwork.

And here I am to fit snugly into my usual place...GG PlayAsia. Asian English Subtitles for the fucking win and to the fucking rescue! Now I just need Omega Labyrinth and Estival Versus then I'll be set for the next several months of fappery.

Ooh, and Criminal Girls too-

I tell ya, this import with subtitles thing is glorious. Bypass all the bullshit censorship and get the original dub too?

Win win.

 

[thepyrethatburns]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

This pretty much sums up half of it with the SJW issue being the rest of it. Having looked at the sales figures (Sidenote: DOA doesn't sell as many copies as I thought. Given how recognizable the name is, I would have thought it would have sold more.), KT probably said "Okay, Bouncing Titty Simulator sells about a third of the games that DOA sells and DOA hardly breaks any sales records. Given the low monetary gains we'll get for BTS3, it simply isn't worth all the grief that SJWs will sling at us to localize it."

Despite how it seems, bad publicity does cost companies. The military shooters are moving away from shooting brown people. The God of War team ....made noises about moving away from violence against women ..... before they did it anyway with Ascension. KT just decided that it wasn't worth it.

As for the notion of this happening to GTA or the aforementioned God of War, the answer is simple:

"It's all about the Benjamins."

Money Talks. The companies listen to money and nothing else. They don't listen to forum or petitions, just money. If the number of people who would buy DOAX3 were worth more than the bad publicity, this game would be getting localized. As such, if you feel a company is "bowing to political correctness", then let them know that you will not buy any of their games as a result AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT THREAT. A video game company that starts seeing it's profits decline because of their direction will either change direction or perish. If the company perishes, the other companies will use that as an object lesson and continue to make all the soft porn volleyball games that you want.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

I cannot think of a single instance wherein the localisation of a Japanese game improved the product for the consumer purchasing it. The vast majority of titles would've been objectively better gaming experiences had the unaltered game been available to purchase from Japan, but with English menus, interfaces and subtitles included for non-Japanese consumers who wanted the authentic experience.

 

[Defective_Detective]

I cannot think of a single instance wherein the localisation of a Japanese game improved the product for the consumer purchasing it. The vast majority of titles would've been objectively better gaming experiences had the unaltered game been available to purchase from Japan, but with English menus, interfaces and subtitles included for non-Japanese consumers who wanted the authentic experience.

What about games like Phoenix Wright? That's a series with an excellent english release localization team behind most of its releases.

(Still waiting for Edgeworth Investigations 2 AAAARGH)

Without localization there'd be a ton of weird Japanese cultural references that would go over many persons heads (especially younger teens), and the series wouldn't have the excellent reputation it has for humor and compelling storytelling if the text was just google-translated subtitles.

I can understand why some folks would like an authentic experience too, but I don't think it's correct to broadly say non-localization results in objectively better games. Not everyone wants that Authentic Made In Japan experience. Many people want the language to be in properly written english text, edited for a westernized context, with english voice acting.

To bring this back on topic, if the creators behind DOAX3 had the confidence in their product, they'd be releasing a localized version too. And that decision is (or at least should be) influenced by projected sales figures, not feminist critique (which is a cowardly excuse).

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Alright, I'm going to stop ignoring the elephant in the room and just say it: hardly anyone cares about your babyface softcore porn simulator not getting localized. I guarantee that a majority of people who have seem this thread/controversy are rolling their eyes and moving on with their day. It's completely ridiculous that this "issue" is trying to be blown up to be some giant attack on free speech and gaming as we know it even though all its done is cause a minor inconvenience to those who actually want to buy this... "game". If you really want it, you can easily import it. KT gave links to allow people to do so; the only thing you've lost is a few more days in shipping time. How all of this is a big deal to anyone is beyond me.

It's the precedent it sets. Censorship is insidious like that. First they come for the boobs and ass simulator and nobody gives a damn but by the time things "mainstream westerners" tend to like are getting disallowed it'd be already too late. You can't say "this one thing, this one is just vile enough that it's ok to censor it" because who is to say what is "vile enough". You may draw the line at this game but someone could draw it at something like GTA, someone could draw it at God of War. The only 100% surefire way to ensure that we can keep having the games we actually like is not allowing anything to be censored.

Exceeeeeept it's not being censored. No part of it is being changed to meet with the demands of a group of people, nor it is impossible for any Westerner to actually buy the game. If you really want it, you can just import it (as I said in my first post).

And let's not compare God of War or GTA to a softcore porn game. God of War or GTA actually have some artistic merit where, by their disappearance, gaming would be lesser. Gaming isn't losing any artistic merit from DOA babyface volleyball being a bit harder for Westerners to get.

Actually, you're not entirely correct here. Prior to this turn of events, if you visited the websites that discussed this game you would find a mention from Koei that indicated they were contemplating censoring the game's hypothetical western version. On playasia they specified that only the Japanese version would be what the devs called "without additional censorship". It is not unthinkable to extrapolate from this that koei was contemplating censoring the game due to not wanting to deal with people decrying them but ended up just giving up on the west instead.

It's not as much the actual censorship at this point but more about the climate that would incentivize companies to think about self-censoring out of fear, this is the issue at this, early stage of censorship.


God of War and GTA both have full-frontal nudity, this game does not. This is why I picked these two as examples. If you think there's not "someone" out there who'd want to censor these two games were they allowed to you have another thing coming.

 

[Erttheking]

Snip

You do know that it turns out that this had nothing to do with SJWs right?

https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/669507094584950784