Doctor Who Ep 11 The God Complex

[Sonic Doctor]

I felt really really really really bad for the Doctor. It seems like he's been hit with a hell of a lot of guilt in this series, which I feel is not deserved. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but all the Doctor has ever tried to do is help people, and by 'people' I don't just mean humans; the Ood, those space whales, even the bloody Daleks (and before anyone argues, I seem to recall the 10th Doctor extending a hand to Dalek Sek(sp?) at one time.

I do to. The Doctor is a hero, the problem is Steven Moffat has been really trying to play that down. He has been trying to brake down The Doctor's importance in the show. Take the three episodes that came before this one, in those episodes, Amy and Rory had more scenes than The Doctor did.

I will forever know those dreaded episodes as "Amy and Rory's fun time adventures with some Guy that happens to have a time machine." I mean come on, the episode "Let's Kill Hitler", they missed a golden opportunity to have a Doctor vs. Hitler episode, instead they put him in a cupboard within the first five minutes he comes into the episode, and instead have Amy and Rory prancing about Nazi Germany and continuing the horrible story arch that River Song is their kid. That totally ruined the River Song story arch for me, I wouldn't have guessed back when she appeared in "Silence in the Library" that the explanation of her would be incredibly botched up.

Putting money on River Song being behind the Doctor's door.

The part at the end where the monster says the Doctor should accept death implies he is afraid to die, and he knows he's going to, he knows when and he knows who... So yeah, I say River Song.

Would be funny if it was him and River in the room partaking in "adult" activities, could've been why he hung the "Do Not Disturb" sign heh heh.

I don't think so. What The Doctor has the most faith in, is what is behind the door. That has to be the TARDIS. And going alone with what we have seen in "The Doctor's Wife", your "do not disturb sign" theory still works.

The TARDIS doesn't just take The Doctor where he wants to go, but also where he needs to go. That is why it is the thing he has the most faith in.

Besides it is obvious because it doesn't show what he sees, but we do hear the TARDIS's cloister bell.

 

[Kurai Angelo]

I don't think so. What The Doctor has the most faith in, is what is behind the door.

Did you miss the entire point of the episode? The thing behind the doors was the person's greatest FEAR not their greatest faith. This was needed to then bring out a person's greatest faith so the monster could feed off it and replace it.

Whatever was behind the Doctor's door was something he should be afraid of, his greatest fear. Also, it's sort of implied that the Doctor doesn't have a strong enough faith in anything for him to become a victim anyway. After all it was Amy's faith in him that brought them there and she was the only one to succumb.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I felt really really really really bad for the Doctor. It seems like he's been hit with a hell of a lot of guilt in this series, which I feel is not deserved. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but all the Doctor has ever tried to do is help people, and by 'people' I don't just mean humans; the Ood, those space whales, even the bloody Daleks (and before anyone argues, I seem to recall the 10th Doctor extending a hand to Dalek Sek(sp?) at one time.

I do to. The Doctor is a hero, the problem is Steven Moffat has been really trying to play that down. He has been trying to brake down The Doctor's importance in the show. Take the three episodes that came before this one, in those episodes, Amy and Rory had more scenes than The Doctor did.

Which seems very very strange since the Doctor is the title character. I noticed that the show seemed to have focused more on Amy and Rory, esp. when the little monologue by Amy was added to the opening title sequence. What is up with that? Don't get me wrong, I like Amy; but there are few characters I actually admire (only 2 in fact) and one of them is the Doctor. I mean regardless of incarnation (at least of the incarnations I've seen) he's always helping others, or at least trying to. Even now he's putting out every effort to save people who need it in every episode, from Amy in "The Girl Who Waited" to the 4 characters in this episode and when he fails I could see that it impacted him greatly and made me feel that much more sorry for him.

I will forever know those dreaded episodes as "Amy and Rory's fun time adventures with some Guy that happens to have a time machine." I mean come on, the episode "Let's Kill Hitler", they missed a golden opportunity to have a Doctor vs. Hitler episode, instead they put him in a cupboard within the first five minutes he comes into the episode, and instead have Amy and Rory prancing about Nazi Germany and continuing the horrible story arch that River Song is their kid. That totally ruined the River Song story arch for me, I wouldn't have guessed back when she appeared in "Silence in the Library" that the explanation of her would be incredibly botched up.

I don't really mind that River Song turned out to be Amy and Rory's daughter. As it was I wasn't really sure where they were going to go with that story arc, although I had kinda predicted that River's first meeting with the Doctor would be the Doctor's last, but I guess that didn't turn out.

 

[ZeoAssassin]

i liked the episode, but that speed-up editing was REALLY distracting.

i love the fact that it reference the last moments of The 11th Hour, where the Doctor says that knowing he was just a madman with a box would save her life one day. As well as the Nimon from the Tom Baker days (of course that serial was kind of shit but still enjoyable)

Here's hoping that when Amy and Rory come back for series 7, they play a much much smaller part.

I hope they only get at the most two episodes, but that is wishful thinking, so let's just shoot for only 4. They are my least favorite companions, and I have seen episodes that involved most every companion since 1963. There are probably only a couple companions I haven't seen, but when I get a job and money, I will go on Amazon and correct that, considering that I only have 21 DVDs worth of the old series, though I have seen a good bit of the old series in my ramblings on the internet. Still I have to say that Amy and Rory are the worst companions.

Really? your saying they are worse than Rose? the one who treated her boyfriend like absolute shit in the first season and started making out with the human-doctor right in front of the real Doctor?

also i haven't watched too much of the old series but Mel's(from the 6th/7th Doctor era) voice alone was worse than anything Amy or Rory ever did. Also Aldric(5th Doctor Era) was pretty damn whiny and needy from what i saw of him.

what makes Amy and Rory so much worse to you?

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Did you miss the entire point of the episode? The thing behind the doors was the person's greatest FEAR not their greatest faith. This was needed to then bring out a person's greatest faith so the monster could feed off it and replace it.

Whatever was behind the Doctor's door was something he should be afraid of, his greatest fear. Also, it's sort of implied that the Doctor doesn't have a strong enough faith in anything for him to become a victim anyway. After all it was Amy's faith in him that brought them there and she was the only one to succumb.

In any case, I am half right, the TARDIS was in that room because of the cloister bell. But since the cloister bell means possible universe ending disasters, then it is that that he fears. So still, the TARDIS is what was in that room.

I don't really mind that River Song turned out to be Amy and Rory's daughter. As it was I wasn't really sure where they were going to go with that story arc, although I had kinda predicted that River's first meeting with the Doctor would be the Doctor's last, but I guess that didn't turn out.

I would have much rather her have been a Time Lord from his past, or even one he had never met before, that didn't involve that cockamamie idea that two humans having sex in the TARDIS, creates a Time Lord. If there ever was the stupidest idea that could be pulled out somebody's ass to explain such a thing, that was the be all and end all of ass-ifide ideas. They wouldn't have been able to explain it except by pulling that ludicrous explanation out the pooper. Negative one million writing respect points to whoever came up with it.

Really? your saying they are worse than Rose? the one who treated her boyfriend like absolute shit in the first season and started making out with the human-doctor right in front of the real Doctor?

also i haven't watched too much of the old series but Mel's(from the 6th/7th Doctor era) voice alone was worse than anything Amy or Rory ever did. Also Aldric(5th Doctor Era) was pretty damn whiny and needy from what i saw of him.

what makes Amy and Rory so much worse to you?

Amy and Rory are the first companions to actually get more screen time in an episode than The Doctor. They are also rather dickish companions. They take on the great responsibility of traveling with The Doctor, and what do they do a majority of the time, run off without The Doctor, usually not listening to a thing he says, and question him way too much, and not listening to him even if they get a good answer. And because of that, they get in more trouble than any other companion I watched.

When Rose got into trouble, only around 10 percent of the time it was her fault. So what if she made out with the human Doctor in front of the real one, the real one was happy for her, he knew that she could now have what she wanted without having the problem of human and Time Lord DNA not being compatible. Yes Rose and other companions questioned and didn't listen to The Doctor, but in the end they always came around and agreed with him, which kept them out a lot of trouble.

When traveling in time, Amy and Rory instead of sticking with the time traveling professional, they prance off and end up screwing things up or getting into trouble(everytime) and The Doctor has to save them, but really never gets any thank. Most of the time they end up being pissed at him for some stupid reason.(Like the whole having two Amy's in the TARDIS thing, not letting the old Amy in. They were rather childish about that whole thing, it was obvious that she couldn't come, and it wasn't like they were losing anybody, since young Amy was still there. Besides, the paradox would have caused another TARDIS explosion.)

Also it's not "Aldric" it is "Adric". Adric really wasn't annoying to me.(The majority of the episodes of the old series I have on DVD are 5th Doctor ones that have Adric in them.) The 5th Doctor is my second favorite Doctor, 10th is my #1 favorite. Adric was a genius of sorts and geniuses will have their quirks. Though I felt very sorry for Adric, he did hope to return home one day, but he ended up meeting a tragic end.

 

[Diablo2000]

Here's hoping that when Amy and Rory come back for series 7, they play a much much smaller part.

I hope they only get at the most two episodes, but that is wishful thinking, so let's just shoot for only 4. They are my least favorite companions, and I have seen episodes that involved most every companion since 1963. There are probably only a couple companions I haven't seen, but when I get a job and money, I will go on Amazon and correct that, considering that I only have 21 DVDs worth of the old series, though I have seen a good bit of the old series in my ramblings on the internet. Still I have to say that Amy and Rory are the worst companions.

Really? your saying they are worse than Rose? the one who treated her boyfriend like absolute shit in the first season and started making out with the human-doctor right in front of the real Doctor?

Why do I seen to be the only one in not having a problem with the "Human-Doctor/Rose" thing... Maybe because I hate her so much that any reason to see her out of the series is a good one... Don't know. Yeap, she is the worst companion to me.

About the episode, I liked certain moments within it, but not the episode itself.
Rita's death was cool, the "goodbye" to Amy and Rory too and that alien coward was the best... Really funny character. In the "all" categorie the episode was just "meh" to me. But is was also some fresh air since that whole River Song arc it's starting to bore me, I really like River Song but I really would like to see the series move to other things.

 

[tobi the good boy]

I think I hate David Walliams. I'm not sure but he just seemed to annoy me the entire episode, and not in the way his character was suppose to.

Aside from that. Enjoyable episode and I highly doubt that Amy and Rory are gone for good. They still have to resolve the whole Doctor dying thing.

 

[ewhac]

...its meant to be the doctor learning that most of his friendships end in misery for everyone, so he got Rory a cool car and a house and just say goodbye.

I'm not sure I agree.

[ul][li]Susan got dropped off on Earth with someone who could take care of her.[/li]
[li]I didn't see many of the Troughton episodes, but I did see Zoe and Jamie get returned to their original time zones.[/li]
[li]Liz Shaw just disappeared off-screen because she wanted to do some proper science.[/li]
[li]Jo Grant got married.[/li]
[li]Harry Sullivan simply returned to duty at UNIT.[/li]
[li]Sarah Jane Smith got dropped off in Aberdeen (the Doctor missed South Croydon).[/li]
[li]Leela stayed behind on Gallifrey with her newfound sweetie.[/li]
[li]Romana and K-9 stayed behind in E-space.[/li]
[li]Nyssa stayed behind at Terminus to help the sick.[/li]
[li]Tegan left because she got sick of watching Daleks exterminate people.[/li]
[li]Turlough returned to his home planet.[/li]
[li]Peri was made a warrior queen by Yrcanos.[/li]
[li]Mel left (THANK GOD!) to go pester Glitz.[/li]
[li]Ace... Well, we don't really know.[/li]
[/ul]

The only guy I know to get blowed up real good was Adric.

And, frankly, you can't say that Rose has too much to complain about, either. She got her family back, and a cloned Doctor.

EDIT: I just remembered: Kamelion ended up getting fried. However, I think Kamelion's status as a companion is arguable.

 

[Plinglebob]

I am wonder what/who the Minotaur was talking about when it died. Hope it will be explained soon and not a setup for next season(what somehow i think will be).

H was talking about the Doctor. Starting with The Pandorica Opens, there's been a lot of focus on who the Doctor is and while to us his actions seem heroic, fighting monsters and saving the day, thats not what everyone thinks. This episode gives the viewpoint that he's a lo shallower then people think and like everyone else he's afraid of death.

Overall I thought it was a great episode. Some very creepy stuff (and like Gralian, I thought those girls were scary as hell) and I think if they had made it longer, it would have worn out its welcome.

 

[Plinglebob]

It's actually a show that kids happen to like. It is not a kids show. So don't base your thoughts around that it is a kids show.

I don't know how it is viewed in the UK, but at the hours that I know some of the episodes have aired for the first time, are past the hours of children's programming in the US. From what I remember, new episodes that air on BBC America, air at 8pm or 9pm. I don't remember since only my dad get's BBC America, even though I love Doctor Who, I'm not going to use, round trip, 80 minutes worth of gas just to watch the latest episode, when I can just stream it on my computer a few hours after it airs.

But yeah, kids like it, but it isn't a kids show. That would be like saying Star Trek: The Next Generation is a kids show, because I liked watching it when I was a kid.

In the UK it stats between 6-7pm and has always been a show aimed at the family with more focus being on children. Yes its a show that adults watch, but the target audience has always been kids with the aim of putting enough additional stuff in there so the parents will like it. I believe the theory is "The Story and the Monsters for the kids, the Doctor for the mums and the companion for the dads" My Little Pony uses the same thinking, its a kids show, but there's enough in there so the parents will be happy watching as well.

 

[ToastiestZombie]

...its meant to be the doctor learning that most of his friendships end in misery for everyone, so he got Rory a cool car and a house and just say goodbye.

I'm not sure I agree.

[ul][li]Susan got dropped off on Earth with someone who could take care of her.[/li]
[li]I didn't see many of the Troughton episodes, but I did see Zoe and Jamie get returned to their original time zones.[/li]
[li]Liz Shaw just disappeared off-screen because she wanted to do some proper science.[/li]
[li]Jo Grant got married.[/li]
[li]Harry Sullivan simply returned to duty at UNIT.[/li]
[li]Sarah Jane Smith got dropped off in Aberdeen (the Doctor missed South Croydon).[/li]
[li]Leela stayed behind on Gallifrey with her newfound sweetie.[/li]
[li]Romana and K-9 stayed behind in E-space.[/li]
[li]Nyssa stayed behind at Terminus to help the sick.[/li]
[li]Tegan left because she got sick of watching Daleks exterminate people.[/li]
[li]Turlough returned to his home planet.[/li]
[li]Peri was made a warrior queen by Yrcanos.[/li]
[li]Mel left (THANK GOD!) to go pester Glitz.[/li]
[li]Ace... Well, we don't really know.[/li]
[/ul]

The only guy I know to get blowed up real good was Adric.

And, frankly, you can't say that Rose has too much to complain about, either. She got her family back, and a cloned Doctor.

I was mainly meaning the newest series. There hasn't been one companion t (hat has gotten off lightly (the first time they went away, meaning that its not in journeys end). Rose got stuck in a parrarel universe, never getting to say goodbye to the doctor. Martha got her whole family abused and kept as slaves for years, she was the one to willingly say goodbye. Donna got her memory wiped and if she thought of the doctor her brain would fry. But Rory and Amy just got a nice house and a nice car and were allowed to live a happy life.

 

[Gralian]

It's actually a show that kids happen to like. It is not a kids show. So don't base your thoughts around that it is a kids show.

I don't know how it is viewed in the UK, but at the hours that I know some of the episodes have aired for the first time, are past the hours of children's programming in the US. From what I remember, new episodes that air on BBC America, air at 8pm or 9pm. I don't remember since only my dad get's BBC America, even though I love Doctor Who, I'm not going to use, round trip, 80 minutes worth of gas just to watch the latest episode, when I can just stream it on my computer a few hours after it airs.

But yeah, kids like it, but it isn't a kids show. That would be like saying Star Trek: The Next Generation is a kids show, because I liked watching it when I was a kid.

Right. In the UK it's aired at 7pm, before the "watershed". The watershed is the period where anything not meant to be viewed by kids is allowed to air.

Any violent or death scenes generally happen off screen. If there is any violence it isn't bloody and it tends to involve a person screaming before a screen transition. The shows are very formulaic; you know the introduction will show the antagonist, the doctor will do a bit of comic relief, the investigation ensues, the conflict arises, the problem is overcome. At the risk of sounding like Candide, things will also generally turn out for the best. This cut-and-dry approach is generally typical of kids' serials. Though i will say that some plot lines may be hard for children to follow, such as that whole business regarding Amy and River.

This is taken from Wikipedia: "Also, in the 100 Greatest Kids' TV shows (a Channel 4 countdown in 2001), the 1963?1989 run was placed at number eight."

Also from wikipedia: "With popularity came controversy over the show's suitability for children. Morality campaigner Mary Whitehouse repeatedly complained to the BBC in the 1970s over what she saw as the show's frightening or gory content;[26] however, the programme became even more popular?especially with children. John Nathan-Turner, who produced the series during the 1980s, was heard to say that he looked forward to Whitehouse's comments, as the show's ratings would increase soon after she had made them.[27]"

I know this deals with the original Doctor Who, but when you look at the current series you can see how they made a deliberate effort to make it viewable by children by avoiding the things above, such as showing death or actual violence. One major difference between Star Trek and Doctor Who is that you actually saw violent scenes. People firing lasers, generally dealing with adult themes. I don't think i've ever really seen an episode of Doctor Who that dealt with something as heavy as sexuality or racial intolerance, which would be deemed inappropriate for children. The comic relief character Rory is there to aid in appealing to children through the show's silly, wacky side; like the doctor himself.

I'd just like to say that there's nothing inherently wrong in it being a kids' show. There really isn't. Something aimed primarily at one demographic can still be very much enjoyed by people outside that sphere.

Edit: Going back to the "I watched Star Trek does that mean it's for kids" thing, what about My Little Pony? Just because a considerable number of 15-30 year old males watch it does that suddenly mean it's not aimed at young girls?

 

[Kurai Angelo]

Did you miss the entire point of the episode? The thing behind the doors was the person's greatest FEAR not their greatest faith. This was needed to then bring out a person's greatest faith so the monster could feed off it and replace it.

Whatever was behind the Doctor's door was something he should be afraid of, his greatest fear. Also, it's sort of implied that the Doctor doesn't have a strong enough faith in anything for him to become a victim anyway. After all it was Amy's faith in him that brought them there and she was the only one to succumb.

In any case, I am half right, the TARDIS was in that room because of the cloister bell. But since the cloister bell means possible universe ending disasters, then it is that that he fears. So still, the TARDIS is what was in that room.

Lol, you can't just decide you are right! Nobody knows for sure what's inside. I have to admit I didn't actually hear the bell, but if it did ring, it doesn't mean the TARDIS HAS to be in the room. That really doesn't make a lot of sense to me, the thing the Doctor is most afraid of in all of Time in Space is the cloister bell? Don't buy it. Sure, he'd probably be having a better day if it didn't ring... but I doubt he shits himself and hides in a corner when it sounds.

Also, when he opened the door, he said, "Who else?". Now I'm not going to debate the TARDIS being a living entity or not, I'm sure everyone agrees that it is, but he NEVER refers to it as a who. Even since the TARDIS was projected into a body and he spoke with it, it has still just been THE TARDIS.

As I said before, I didn't actually hear the bell (clip would be nice if you're feeling helpful here ) but I still think it can mean River was inside. She and the TARDIS are linked pretty closely afterall. She's the Child of the TARDIS, it's what made her half Time Lord. It even teaches her how to pilot it. So it stands to reason the cloister bell could ring if she is posing the danger because they are linked.

There aren't any rules for what happens in the rooms in regards to how the fear is shown. If there's a specific sound, the object of origination doesn't necessarily have to be in the room aswell, the sound could just be there. Or, the sound could just have been for our benefit at home, a mere effect on the sound departments part to illustrate the severity of whatever lies inside for those who listened just that little bit closer.

 

[Rhymenoceros]

I think the best line(s) were:
"I work for city planning, we're lining the roads with trees so invading forces can march in the shade"
"That'll be nice for them"

 

[Aurgelmir]

Found it to be a lot better than recent ones, although I hated not being able to see what the Doctor was afraid of.

Was it Davros? Master? Himself?! I NEED TO KNOW

Wasn't it Obvious? The knocking?

I liked the episode, sad to see my favorite companions go though. I loved Rory and Amy.... and you know the next companion will be River "God she is annoying" Song

 

[T-Bone24]

I really, really hope that James Corden isn't the new companion. That's all I took from this episode, I'm still digesting it.

 

[tomtom94]

Love how people forget Arthur Darvill and Karen Gillan are contracted for the next series.

 

[LikeDustInTheWind]

Damn, I wish I had BBC. Doctor Who sounds like an awesome show.

http://www.sidereel.com/Doctor_Who_(2005)

Find an episode that looks cool and click search links. It's not a show for everyone, but if you like it, you love it. Enjoy!

 

[Encurtidos]

I think it was himself behind the doctors door, he said "who else?". Also in "Amy's Choice" he said to the dream lord that there is only one person in the universe he hates more then him, referring to he hates the doctor more.

It was an amazing episode, but I thought it was very upsetting at the end when the doctor was all alone in the tardis.

 

[mega48man]

thanks for reminding me, itunes doesn't always download unless you tell it to, infernal contraption. SO, loved the episode, it was a lot of fun although there were a lot of downers that the new doctor who is full of. that bit i don't like as much, but the story was interesting.

but next episode, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!