That was the highlight for me.
Will the 'shoe change' be permanent?
Doubtful [//tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Nestene_Consciousness]. The Nestene Conciousness is much older.Gizmo1990 said:
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Will the 'shoe change' be permanent?
Eh. I didn't think it was anything remarkable or memorable. The whole "it's a clone" schtick feels unimaginative? Just didn't get much interesting out of it, especially in comparison to last week's stellar episode.
Also, the woman with the eyepatch is starting to annoy me. If you're going to have a series-long tidbit like this, either slowly build up information about it with each appearance, or do it subtley (like Bad Wolf from the first series).
Also, the woman with the eyepatch is starting to annoy me. If you're going to have a series-long tidbit like this, either slowly build up information about it with each appearance, or do it subtley (like Bad Wolf from the first series).
I thought it was a great episode, slightly darker than most doctor who episodes, what with the twisty snake neck malarky. The conflict however did feel very forced, there was no real reason or explanation for either "side" to want to kill each other.
Cleves seemed far over the top... not a fan, does open the possibility that the dead doctor was just flesh
This point might of been made already. didn't read every post. This is just a thought though so...
SPOILER MAYBE>>>>
Umm... does anyone else thing think that now that there are two doctors, it will explain how he dies eventually as we have seen in ep 1, but the series still continue? Or is that just me?
SPOILER MAYBE>>>>
Umm... does anyone else thing think that now that there are two doctors, it will explain how he dies eventually as we have seen in ep 1, but the series still continue? Or is that just me?
I c wat u did thar.TimeLord said:
OT: I enjoyed the episode, but it wasn't terribly good.
I also agreed with the idea that the Flesh is the origins of the Nestine Consciousness until I looked it up on the TARDIS Wikia, and they already have an origin that would be silly to rewrite.
It looked like Harlech castle to me, though I have been wrong before. How accurate am I?FamoFunk said:
I've got to get to that cockerel before all hell breaks loose!
Also, Eye patch lady was shit-scary as usual.
Also, Eye patch lady was shit-scary as usual.
I'm going with the sontarans, personally. Aggressive clone race, recognised by the doctor? And the suits give them the right shape and everything.Gizmo1990 said:
As for the fact that the sontarans already exist in earth time... The whole series revolves around time travel, dammit!
The extendy-neck thing was a special effects failure if ever I saw one...I know that obtrusive CGI is kinda to be expected but that was a particularly bad offender.
In fact when combined with the overly-foreshadowed appearance of the Doctor-clone, it was quite a disappointing episode - though I'm not sure if that's partly because all the build-up played it up as a "horror" episode, when in reality it was fairly tame, which looking at the next time will continue and featured plenty of light relief.
Also the TARDIS's medical scanners are the least decisive equipment I've ever seen; they are clearly building up to reveal the result at the end of the next episode (at least I hope so; it means one less damn thing for them to shoehorn into the finale) and is that woman with the eyepatch meant to be familiar or just intriguing?
I seem like I'm ranting. I'm not, it was enjoyable and thought-provoking (for obvious reasons) but it didn't live up to expectations and I'm starting to get sick of all the overrunning plot threads.
In fact when combined with the overly-foreshadowed appearance of the Doctor-clone, it was quite a disappointing episode - though I'm not sure if that's partly because all the build-up played it up as a "horror" episode, when in reality it was fairly tame, which looking at the next time will continue and featured plenty of light relief.
Also the TARDIS's medical scanners are the least decisive equipment I've ever seen; they are clearly building up to reveal the result at the end of the next episode (at least I hope so; it means one less damn thing for them to shoehorn into the finale) and is that woman with the eyepatch meant to be familiar or just intriguing?
I seem like I'm ranting. I'm not, it was enjoyable and thought-provoking (for obvious reasons) but it didn't live up to expectations and I'm starting to get sick of all the overrunning plot threads.
I thought it was ok. Interesting premise at least. After last weeks episode however I doubt Doctor Who is going reach those hieghts again for awhile.
Interesting premise, but it got a bit too preachy about the premise for my tastes. (A REAL HEART!)
If they had trimmed all that out this might've all fitted in one episode.
Also a bit unsure about the drastic and sporadic changing of attitudes on how the originals and clones feel about themselves and each other. The whole build-up between Rory and Ganger!Jennifer was instantly cancelled out as she was out of nowhere the first to declare war. Oh well.
If they had trimmed all that out this might've all fitted in one episode.
Also a bit unsure about the drastic and sporadic changing of attitudes on how the originals and clones feel about themselves and each other. The whole build-up between Rory and Ganger!Jennifer was instantly cancelled out as she was out of nowhere the first to declare war. Oh well.
The only problem with that is that the doctor that died claimed to be several hundred years older and had experienced various events with River that has yet to happen. If the doppelganger is the one to get killed then something really odd will have to happen to the real doctor because I doubt he would give up the Tardis to his doppelganger and let it go roam the universe.AwesomeSuperMelon said:
I fully expect the writers to use some dopey logic like, the other doppels deserve to live because the humans directly gave them life/memories; but the doctor's clone was taken without his permission so he will be ok with killing it off.
I was fearing this one would be a two parter, but it had to happen eventually. Good episode though, can't wait for next Saturday.
ehhh i wouldn't say that dude.Generic Gamer said:
the hungry earth was based on misunderstanding about the big drill and the fact that humanity drove the lizard-people (Siceracts i think?) underground 1000s of years ago. the solution was simple. let them come up and take all the land that humans haven't settled in and share the Siceracts technology. in fact it was completely agreed upon until only 2 selfish/racist(speciesist?) idiots on both sides that fucked it all up.
the problem in rebel flesh isn't there differences. it IS there similarities. the gangers have all the memories personality and most importantly feelings of their originals. Naturally they will feel entitled to what they perceive as their own lives. The originals clearly don't want that to happen since they are the "real" versions of themselves. there was still conflict before actual violence was triggered by the lady boss who thought them as horrible mistakes.
the way to fix this is to basically make the gangers abandon what they consider their own lives, families etc. and start new ones, which would be just as hard as YOU abandoning your friends, family, life, etc. that's how they feel and that feeling is being augmented by their very existence being threatened as well. so i think its a bit more complicated then the hungry earth story. also Rory gets to kick far more ass in this one which is awesome.
but yeah overall good episode aside from the stretchy punch thing which was kind of dumb. although airing this and having to wait 2 weeks until the conclusion is completely BS. i can deal with 2-parters BBC but if your going to pull shit like this you should have aired The Doctors wife AFTER this 2-parter to it would have been finished by now.
damn you BBC/BBCA! *shakes fist
I really really love it when they do philosophically inspired episodes, as its preimse allows for some really fascinating ideas.
Oh and Rory is slowly becoming my favourite character, I love how their slowly turning him from wide eyed idiot into Doctor-inspired soldier.
Oh and Rory is slowly becoming my favourite character, I love how their slowly turning him from wide eyed idiot into Doctor-inspired soldier.