Doctor Who Series 7.10: Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

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Hawk eye1466

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I thought it was a pretty good episode I liked that they finally devoted an episode to exploring the Tardis it was a nice break from just running around and it gave them a good chance to focus on the characters and more importantly letting the doctor fix things on his own.
 

Yuno Gasai

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Pebkio said:
My feeling is that she's got something to do with a TARDIS. May or may not be Sexy. Maybe the diminished remnant of a TARDIS that survived the Time War that's just supplanted itself in different time periods.
I... love this idea.

It could also explain to some extent why she seems to dislike the TARDIS so much.

(We all know how much denial she was in as a Dalek, after all.)
 

Gecko clown

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This is actually one of my least favorite of the series so far. It just felt slightly insipid, childish and rushed. It probably would have worked better as a two-parter which we don't get anymore (thanks Moffat!)But after all the serious (for Dr Who) episodes an episode focused solely on space and timey-wimey stuff felt boring and shallow. It also doesn't help that none of the episode characters were interesting and their choices didn't actually make sense.

The melty-future-zombie guys were a bit stupid too. When Clara saw that image of the Doctor from the past he didn't react to her, so why did the burning guys notice her? Also I'm not sure if being melted would make you want to murder people but that's just me.

A lot of these problems could probably have been solved by making it a two-parter, thus giving the characters more time, making them more interesting, and making the story feel less rushed.
 

spartandude

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Just watched this episode (was watching Iron Man on saturday)

I really really liked it up to the end.

The acting and writing was great although i can help but think it would have been better as a two parter (and if the ending wasnt terrible). aesthetically i thought it was fantastic (sometimes the monsters looked crap though). the mystery about whats going on and with the dark side of both the doctor and tardis coming out it was awsome. and this really seems to be the first time , since rose, in which the Doctor and a potential love interest have grown close with out it being forced.

now the bad aka the last 5 minutes

Ok so first, the ending just more or less erases what had happened. such as clara learning why the doctor was so interested in her, which could have lead to some fantastic character development...GONE! the two growing close...GONE!
but what really REALLY annoyed me is that they had the potential to explain/ start explaining the time cracks. The Tardis engines exploding and a crack in time begins to form... HOLY CRAP! colour me fucking excited. Ive been waiting for this to happen for two seasons now.
oh nope just going to use it to change the past even though he already tried that although this time it worked for seemingly no reason other than this time its the episode.

god that was so fucking disappointing

but over all i really liked it and its the best one since Dinosaurs on a Spaceship (which i also really liked)

4 out of 5 stars
 

Lilani

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Pebkio said:
Anyway, let's take what we know about Clara Oswin Oswald:
Exists at different times
Clever in all of the incarnations
Carries experiences from one time to the next (governess from early and computer genius later)
The TARDIS has an issue with her
No memories from her previous other selves
The Doctor met the future version of her first
The Doctor met the past version of her second
The Doctor met the present version of her third
The present version doesn't have the middle name Oswin
The present version was given the Doctor's number by a "lady in a shop"

All of that is a bit hard to piece together, admittedly, and to know the whole story, we'd probably just need to have it told to us. But there's one thing I can glean from the whole thing: Clara might not be a person. There have been items powerful enough to "become" a person. 1/6th of the Key to Time was able to be a person and there are probably other things that are as powerful.
Hm, that's an interesting thought. The other thing we know is that she inadvertently carries these things over. While she may not have exact memories of these past selves (or the Dalek Asylum and the governess selves are just keeping quiet about it), she carried over her computer knowledge to the Asylum incarnation and the Oswin made it to both, as well as the clever boy thing. It's like she's reliving the same life again and again, but those significant experiences and traits keep bleeding through.

I feel like Oswin definitely is someone important, but I don't feel like she's Jenny or Susan because I don't feel like Moffat would dishonor those actresses in that way. In every classic Who main character cameo, it has been the original actor or actress that made it into the show. When Peter Davison came back as the 5th Doctor during that Children in Need special, they excused his aged appearance by blaming it on the TARDIS's crashing. When Sarah Jane Smith came back, that much time had actually passed since their separation so that makes sense. They have brought other characters back through different actors (The Master, Davros, the Great Intelligence), but the show already has a long history of villains changing actors and forms. But the main characters are different, and I don't think even Moffat would dare try and essentially recast Carole Ann Ford as Susan.

And I think if Jenny were to return to the show, they'd grab the actress who originally played her in that Tennant episode. Anything else would be unsatisfying, and a letdown to the people who have watched that episode and have been waiting for her return. Plus, all of these hints and references go back to the Classic Who. Jenny is purely a character from the New Who.

Perhaps Oswin is somehow related to Susan or past events, but I don't think she is a direct reincarnation of a Classic Who protagonist.

EDIT: Though come to think of it, Susan was recast one other time for a couple of Doctor Who movies. But still, Moffat loves to reference the Classic Who as most remember it, so again I don't think he'd do Carole the dishonor.

Also, I'm rather surprised at the general malice against this episode's ending. Yeah, in a sense everything "didn't happen" (though the Doctor certainly seems to remember), but this is a show about time travel. They're always going on about how time can be rewritten. And now the one time they actually follow through on that, suddenly it's the most terrible thing ever? Hell this is basically how the Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords storyline ended--they went back in time and stopped that year the Master had control over the earth from ever happening, and only those who were on board that airship ever remembered what happened.
 

Pebkio

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Lilani said:
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Also, I'm rather surprised at the general malice against this episode's ending. Yeah, in a sense everything "didn't happen" (though the Doctor certainly seems to remember), but this is a show about time travel. They're always going on about how time can be rewritten. And now the one time they actually follow through on that, suddenly it's the most terrible thing ever? Hell this is basically how the Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords storyline ended--they went back in time and stopped that year the Master had control over the earth from ever happening, and only those who were on board that airship ever remembered what happened.
Oh, I can understand. In the Sound of Drums, the Master was ALREADY going back and changing the past... and he had to convert the entire TARDIS into a paradox machine just to do that. When the paradox machine was destroyed, time snapped back to pre-paradox. The universe had to create an entire parallel reality just to account for the paradox of the Doctor's death in Turn Left. That alternate universe was there JUST to close itself up, because that was it's outcome.

Granted, those were both pseudoscience fantasy settings, but at least they were trying to be consistent. Moffat just let's his Doctor cause paradox after paradox. And it's a really lazy way of writing the end to stories... just as bad as "it was all a dream" or "that's what might've happened". The complaints I've seen have been less about it's technical inconsistency and more about its stupidity.